Reader comments: Utah mine boss defends search for miners

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Bubba | 8:14 a.m. Aug. 22, 2007
Come On People Give Bob Murry A Break ? If You Have Federal Officials And State Officials Constantly Barking At You You Have A Tendancy To Slip Alittle So Back Off And Give It A Little Time?,,.
rudy | 8:22 a.m. Aug. 22, 2007
I know this has to be hard on the families. But blaming someone is not going to help the situation. Bob Murray has his faults just like everyone else. He has been at the mine non stop trying to get to those men and while in the process he has lost three other men. Switch the situation around put yourselves in someone elses shoes. I don't blame Bob Murray for finally breaking down, anyone in their right mind would have. He has gone without sleep trying his best to get to the miners. Give him some kind of credit, instead of placing blame. There a lot of things that we wish we could take back, but we can't. We just have to move on and learn from those experiences.
I am very sorry about the miners and the men that we have lost.
Just Wondering | 8:41 a.m. Aug. 22, 2007
Union mines have never had any tragedies, right? They are 100% safe, right?

My studies of History conclude that Unions are Socialist/Communist organizations and always have been.

Our Government was never meant to control every aspect of our lives or keep us safe from every little problem in this life. We are supposed to be free to try whatever we want and to accept the consequences either good or bad. Our many Lawyers and Governmental Regulations have taken this freedom away from us.

I respect Bob Murray for having the strength to start a business of any kind under these threatening conditions to provide the energy that all the critics demand. Maybe the critics should have all electricity to their homes and safe offices turned off until they safely produce the coal to provide the energy all by their own individual labor.

Maybe we should fight the environmentalists who keep us from using our own country's resources of oil and nuclear energy and run up the costs with their endless studies and impact statements.

And maybe we should stop electing governmental officials that take away our freedoms by supporting environmentalists, Unions, and costly regulatory agencies. And let's teach real history in our schools instead of Social Studies (studies in socialism).
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Carolyn | 9:21 a.m. Aug. 22, 2007
Come on - give the man a break. He has spent countless hours and millions of dollars trying to recover those lost miners. Common sense tells us that the bodies are most likely under that pile of rubble. We have the greatest sympathy for all the families of the lost ones and the families of the rescuers who have been heroes. God bless them all.
Anonymous | 9:25 a.m. Aug. 22, 2007
The person who gave Mr. Murray a dollar bill should be ashamed and should seek Mr. Murray out and apologize. It doesn't do any good to be mean and hurtful towards another person and I don't think that any of the ones that died would accept that kind of behavior, it not a way to honor their lives.
utsad | 9:32 a.m. Aug. 22, 2007
I agree wholeheartedly with the comments requesting that we give Bob Murray a break. As far as I'm concerned he's another hero in this situation.If he hadn't broken down after the second collapse I would have thought he was the most callous, heartless, creep in the US. Instead he went in to an unsafe mine, tried to do what he could, and was devastated by results. Whose money is running the rescue efforts? His I would expect.
I don't know what conditions were like in the mine before the collapse. Maybe it was too unsafe to continue mining. If so, the miners underneath the ground, should have refused to go in. If companies can't find workers, they can't do business. But, we used to live in a free enterprise system. Of course safety needs to be first. Always. But . . . we also need to protect the industry and vision and guts of people willing to make a move and create jobs, good paying jobs, for those of us without other opportunites.
bob lowrey | 10:04 a.m. Aug. 22, 2007
bob murray should leave ut.& take that dollar with him.
buddy | 10:57 a.m. Aug. 22, 2007
You didn't hear anything about how bad Murry was running the mine when these familys were recieving paycheck signed by him. Accidents like this make people become monday Quarterback thinking what if this or what if that.
Snuf | 11:02 a.m. Aug. 22, 2007
I saw Bob Murray at Dale Black's funeral yesterday and felt that he was grieving along with the friends and family. After seeing him interact with people, I felt that I have judged him harshly, without having all of the facts. He was defensive in the press releases, but with the amount of stress, and high level of emotion, it would be difficult for any of us not to be.

I think they have done what they could all along to rescue the men. People don't understand that you can't just go "poking holes" in an unstable mountain, not knowing what is below. It just can't be done.
back to you... | 11:15 a.m. Aug. 22, 2007
>>You didn't hear anything about how bad Murry was running the mine when these familys were recieving paycheck signed by him.>.

That's because they'd lose their job. Dangerous work, but they counted on oversight, making sure that minimum safety requirements were being met, before they went in, and they weren't. (most miners don't have the scientific/engineering experience to gauge whether or not the drill plan is safe, so they need to really on MSHA's stamp of approval, which was bought and paid for by Murray.)
RPP-SLC | 11:20 a.m. Aug. 22, 2007
IM WEARY OF THE FAMILIES WHINING THAT ENOUGH WAS EXPENDED TO FIND THEIR LOVED ONES. THEY ALL HAD FULLKNOWLEDGE OF THE RISKS. THEY ALONG WITH FAMILIES HAD A CHOICE NOT TO CHOOSE MINING FOR A LIVING. THEY GIVE THE APPEARANCE OF AMBULANCE CHASERS LOOKING FOR A CASH PAYOUT BELIEVING THIS WOULD AUSWAGE THEIR UNHAPPYNES FOR THEIR CHOICE TO BE MINING FAMILY. IF THE MINING CONDTIONS WERE AS BAD AS THEY SAY IT WAS WHY WAS THE MINE NOT SHUT DOWN LONG AGO? WHY DID THE MINERS GO TO WORK IF CONDITIONS ARE AS BAD AS THE POLITIONS ARE NOW SAYING? THE MINING FAMILIES SHOULD SHOW RESPECT TO THEIR LOVED ONES BY MOVING ON BY ACCEPTING REALITY.
Anonymous | 11:31 a.m. Aug. 22, 2007
Official records of MSHA show Murray Energy has received only 2 violation citations since he officially acquired a 50% share in this mining venture. Prior to this between 2003-2006 there were 122. It seems Murray Energy has helped to keep this mine safe not unsafe as is being reported.

When I watch him on tv, I see a man who's faith has kept him strong throughout this tragedy. I feel he is being honest and remains committed to finding the miners the best he can.

I believe the reason the boreholes were not being drilled all at once is because the mine was deemed to be too unstable, too fragile to attempt such a rescue effort. The vibrations of 5 drills at once may have further collapsed some structures. I think the decisions makers, which Mr. Murray has said includes more than 500 years of experience plus I would think all levels of gov involved in mining, I think the decisions were made based on maintaining the safety of the miners and did not want to put them at further risk.

I also believe the miners may be found soon.

May the strength of God continue to support the rescue efforts of this miners and bring peace and comfort to the families and all those involved.
Anonymous | 11:44 a.m. Aug. 22, 2007
Are these comments being edited????
Anonymous | 11:47 a.m. Aug. 22, 2007
I have observed Mr. Murray during his 15 minutes of fame and all I see is someone posturing and SHIRKING responsibility for this terrible tragedy. How dare he suggest that mining operations resume when so many questions remain unanswered! I say his best defense is to tactfully withdraw from the limelight and keep the dumb comments about finding the Lord to himself. He has some pretty heavy praying to do.
Anonymous | 11:50 a.m. Aug. 22, 2007
Bob Lowrey should be ashamed of himself. Maybe Bob Lowrey should go into a mine himself and get his own coal that lights his house. I doubt he will be so willing to hand out dollars. I don't see how any of this is Bob Murray's fualt. Those miners choose to go into the mines and from the sounds of it they looked forward to everyday of there mining lives. I think Bob Lowery should have more respect for everyone. It is a tragedy what happened but I do not think there is anyone to blame so stop pointing fingers Bob Lowrey!
Doug Barber | 11:57 a.m. Aug. 22, 2007
What I have found most disturbing about Mr. Murray has been his tendency to discount evidence that conflicts with his business interest - for instance, his insistence, against every single scientist who has addressed the matter publicly, that an earthquake caused his mine to collapse.

That habit of thought is not one conducive to maintaining a safe work environment in workspaces he controls. It is a vice, far more hazardous to his employees than second hand smoke.
Anonymous | 12:26 p.m. Aug. 22, 2007
In a CNN interview with Bob Murray today, he said he is not resuming mining.
Sara | 12:36 p.m. Aug. 22, 2007
I agree with Rudy. Stop pointing fingers. I think they have done all they thought was right and prudent in trying to locate the missing miners. If mistakes have been made, it is too easy to say with hindsight we should have done this or they should have done that. Leave Bob Murray alone, learn from this tragedy, forgive where necessary and move on.
Anonymous | 12:39 p.m. Aug. 22, 2007
This is in response to above comments - I recently saw a poll that had foul play as an option as to what caused the tragedy.

Mr. Murray believes this collapse was caused by an earthquake. Some other people believe it was due to mining activity. Is it possible this could have been due to ill intent as opposed to any of the above?
FL | 12:40 p.m. Aug. 22, 2007
What made Bob MuRry look so bad from the start,was the fact he did not like the press. He accused them of making things up to report.. He was totally rude to the press everyday.. The minors who were willing to talk to the press, were pushed aside to keep quiet. (safty issues)

He told all family memmers not to talk to the press, even the ones who wanted to talk were pressered by Murry to keep zipped lips..

THIS REALLY MADE HIM LOOK BAD from day one!!! WHAT IS HE TRYING TO HIDE??????? HE MADE HIS SELF LOOK GUILTY FROM THE START!!!
flo | 12:40 p.m. Aug. 22, 2007
I think people should give Mr. Murray a break. Because he refused to give up hope, they are now using it against him. It was quite evident that he wanted to find the men alive. We live in a world that thinks everything can just be fixed. But that is not the case. The Lord is still in charge, and when He calls us home, He calls us home. God bless Mr. Murray he tried, that was all he could do. Remember they already drilled 4 holes, and not a sign of life, not one single sign. The men probably were killed in the initial wall cave in. God bless Mr. Murray, the victims and their families.
flo | 12:45 p.m. Aug. 22, 2007
Remember 12 miners asked to be reassigned, and I believe the press said the were reassigned to other areas.

That being said, how do you blame Mr. Murray.

The ones that wanted reassignment got it.

It is ridiculous the way people always want to blame others.
Anonymous | 1:00 p.m. Aug. 22, 2007
Thank you, Mr. Murray, for doing all you could. I worried that when we hadn't heard from you, that things might have gotten overwhelming -- may your heart be healed as you continue to do all you can.

To the families & friends, you have stood up amazingly under all the strain -- families in a somewhat similar situation in China got angry in just 4 days. God bless you all with peace, too -- He knows where & how your miners are, and can give you spiritual comfort even if no physically touchable answers are available.

May we all continue trusting in the Lord, who ultimately knows 1) what is best to do, and 2) what the miners, families, and owner need. Our prayers are with you all!!!
a | 1:03 p.m. Aug. 22, 2007
PERHAPS "FL" SHOULD SPEND MORE TIME ON THIER OWN PROBLEMS - LIKE LEARNING HOW TO SPELL - AND LESS TIME CRITICISING OTHERS.
Deseret Morning News | 1:10 p.m. Aug. 22, 2007
To the anonymous reader who asked: Are these comments being edited????

Comments are not edited. However, they are monitored and any comments found to be abusive, offensive, off-topic, misrepresentative or more than 300 words will not be posted.
A Coalminer's daughter | 1:17 p.m. Aug. 22, 2007
To all those who are so outspoken as to what hasn't been done or what should have been done--let me ask you this. Have you actually been there to see first hand what goes on each day at the mine site? Do you personally know these men and have you watched them interact with one another? Are you taking into consideration that each time they stepped in front of the camera to give us an update, we were taking them away from their rescue efforts. Can you be in 2 places at once? Last but not least--what exactly would you have done??
A Coalminer's daughter | 1:51 p.m. Aug. 22, 2007
Anonymous, What you describe as Mr. Murray's 15 minutes of fame and shirking of responsibility was not at all what I saw. I saw a man, under a great deal of emotional distress, taking time away from rescue efforts to keep us updated and informed as to their progress. He clearly demonstrated the ability to remain hopeful and positive as rescue efforts continued. I also do not believe that his quick dismissal of the media was an attempt to shirk his responsibility; but rather an urgent need to get back to the rescue efforts! It was not his responsibility to stay and answer questions that had already been answered nor listen to accusations being flung at him from the media.
Doug Barber | 2:16 p.m. Aug. 22, 2007
I don't think I have to have "actually been there to see first hand" what happened at the scene of a robbery, in order to distinguish between the robber and the victim. Otherwise, no one other than an eyewitness could qualify as a juror.

As far as "what exactly would you have done?", in the case of Mr. Murray claiming that oxygen just naturally seeps into his mine, I would have refrained from making such a statement. In the case of his claim about earthquakes, I would have said "we need to examine the scientific evidence in order to understand what happened here and prevent it from happening again," rather than baldly asserting that the scientists are wrong because their explanation of the seismic evidence was contrary to my interest in growing my bank account and having a clear conscience.
christian | 3:07 p.m. Aug. 22, 2007
I feel for the families as well as those making the decisions on this operation. Bob Murray, MSHA and others have had an almost impossible task and they have done the best that they could under the circumstances. I am sure if they could have looked into the "crystal ball" and seen the future the mine would have closed long ago but we have the luxury of seeing everything in hindsight. God bless the families, management, MSHA and all those who have helped in any way.
Anonymous | 3:38 p.m. Aug. 22, 2007
My heart goes out to the families and loved ones. Hopefully these miners will not have died in vain, and new protections, checks and balances will be put in place. By the way, just curious, has anyone heard if Mitt Romney has sent any official letter of his condolences?
Catherine | 5:15 p.m. Aug. 22, 2007
My heart breaks for all. I was impressed with how Mr. Murray tried to handle the situation from the start and remain so now irrespective of science, religion, etc. We all need to consider the intentions of individuals and groups and measure our reactions accordingly.
LF | 9:23 p.m. Aug. 22, 2007
HEY (A) I bet you are related to MURRY!!!!!!!!!
MURRY IS HIDDING SOMETHING!!!!!!

WE WILL FIND OUT SOON!!
Pat | 9:43 p.m. Aug. 22, 2007
Doug Barber,

Thank you!!!

You said it all..... Murray is hiding something!
Anonymous | 10:36 p.m. Aug. 22, 2007
Murray is hiding something? Pat and the rest of the conspiracy theorists need to get a life. Too easy to criticize from afar and think up theories that fit into some weird world view.
The truth is . . . there was a tragedy. The mountain "bumped" and killed miners and then rescuers. If it was a mining caused seismic event, rather than an earthquake as Mr. Murray asserts, who can blame him for hoping and wishing to make it an earthquake. I would HATE to feel responsible for the death or injury of one person, much less, six and then nine more. I can think of times I have shaded things in my favor because the truth was too hard to bear, especially right at first. Can't we just give him the benefit of the doubt? He did his best. The miners were doing their best to earn a living for their families, and the rescuers were doing a wonderful job trying to save all. Who was being derelict? The miners themselves had responsibility for their own safety. If they thought the mine was too unsafe they should not have gone in. I am grateful to the miners who are willing to go after the coal we all use to live. I am also grateful to men like Murray who provide jobs and opportunities.
Wind Energy | 11:45 p.m. Aug. 22, 2007
Murray knew what the miners did not-that "retreat" mining is far more hazardous than other types of coal mining. Were it not for the fact he's making a handsome profit, in a state that worships profit, he would be arrested for manslaughter.

But the miners are dead and this is Utah, so cut Mr. Murray a break.
Hey Wind Energy | 1:01 a.m. Aug. 23, 2007
Don't you live in Utah too?
Hey a | 1:14 a.m. Aug. 23, 2007
Just so you know....this is how you spell CRITICIZING. (ouch-huh?) This is a perfect example of what can happen when we CRITICIZE someone else!
To Doug Barber | 1:34 a.m. Aug. 23, 2007
Come on..."The scene of a robbery"?? What kind of a comparison is that? It's a good thing that there were "eye witnesses" at the opening of the mine or they would not have known where to even begin to look. Not to mention--if not for an "eyewitness" Brandon Kimber's family would not have known about the heroic sacrifice he made to save a life!

ps was the "baldly" asserting a freudian??

Coalminer's daughter

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