FLDS roundup is largest since Waco standoff; 401 children may be placed in foster homes

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  • Dennis Morgan
    April 19, 2008 8:52 p.m.

    By the way, there is no proof of child abuse or rape in this case. Even if the person is under 18, if the parents of that person consent to the marriage, then it's legal. Child molestation or rape would have to have occurred prior to marriage, and this is highly unlikely in this case since I'm sure it's against the religion of these people. Besides that, the pretext for the illegal invasion of the compound was false as well. Now it has been pretty much confirmed that it was based on a fraudulent call. Thus, the only "crime" here by law is polygamy, but if that's the case, then why did the State of Texas wait years before deciding to enforce that law? Why did they need a trumped up pretext of child abuse? Of course, the law prohibiting polygamy is ridiculous. Maybe you don't agree with polygamy. I certainly don't, but that doesn't matter. If others are consenting adults, then it should be their right to enter into whatever relationship they want. It's not my right nor the State's right to prohibit their lifestyle, as long as they aren't harming other people.

  • Dennis Morgan
    April 19, 2008 8:15 p.m.

    It's truly amazing how the fascist mindset is spreading throughout the U.S. How could anyone defend this criminal action of religious persecution is beyond me. The "brainwashed" are the fascist Americans who defend this atrocity. This is an unthinkable outrage. The pretext for the invasion of the compound is as false as the pretext for the invasion of Iraq, and that's where I think this mindset comes from. It should be no wonder that a great number of Americans have become fascist in their thinking since they live in a rogue state that violates international law and even its own Constitution. I suggest you take a long look at how democratic Germany became fascist. Americans fought against fascism in WWII, and yet now fascism sneaks in through the back door. From what I've read and seen, there was NO EVIDENCE of wrongdoing by these people. Maybe their way of life is radically different from yours, and maybe you don't agree with it, but that doesn't give the State of Texas the right to rip children from the arms of mothers and break up families. This is a CRIMINAL action by the fascist State of Texas.

  • I love you!
    April 9, 2008 4:17 p.m.

    "The evangelicals, particularly Baptists have unwittingly been a pawn in this game, hating Mormons and FLDS as they do. The day is coming when Baptists will preach against homosexual partnerships and marriage and their ministers will be dragged off to jail and their churches will be closed down for civil rights violations. Then they will understand."

    My friend I am a Baptist, although the only 'title' that I am concerned with is that of 'Christian'; I can promise you that I do not hate LDS nor FLDS. I love everyone, as Christ has commanded us to do. Many people do not seem to understand that disagreeing with doctrines does not equate to 'hate'.

    I can also tell you that as a Bible-believing Christian, I would consider it high honor to be 'dragged off to jail' for my beliefs, as my life belongs to Jesus Christ; He paid a remarkable price for it. If preaching against sin becomes illegal in this nation, let them come for us. If Almighty God is for us, who can stand against us?

    The local Baptist church was simply helping with transport and sheltering these folks as they were brought out.

  • BigPicture
    April 8, 2008 3:50 p.m.

    One day soon, when the anti-Christian left is running America, we will understand the significance of the travesty that has just taken place: The separation of church and state has been declared null and void, and this operation is the governments Ft. Sumter. The overreaching warrants in this case stink to high heaven. CPS is virtually unaccountable. And how did the Baptist Church get involved in this "government" operation? Hmmm.

    The evangelicals, particularly Baptists have unwittingly been a pawn in this game, hating Mormons and FLDS as they do. The day is coming when Baptists will preach against homosexual partnerships and marriage and their ministers will be dragged off to jail and their churches will be closed down for civil rights violations. Then they will understand.

    No one is defending underaged marriage, but Texas is a perfect example of how state laws about what defines consent can change overnight. Polygamy is against the law but so is illegal immigration. Which is a greater threat to our nation? Why are the state and federal governments not rounding up, jailing and deporting illegal aliens in such "raids" and putting their "American" children in foster care? The law is the law, right?

  • magnus
    April 8, 2008 3:25 p.m.

    Child protective services is in a tough position. When you see a story on the news talking aoubt how a drug abuser with multiple children neglected and abused their children so badly that one or more of them died the public cries out...

    "WHERE WAS CPS?!?! THEY KNEW, WHY DIDN"T THEY DO ANYTHING???"

    but the next day they are in the news for trying to take a child away from his parents because they don't wan't him to get Chemo, or a blood transfusion and the public cries out...

    "CPS IS OUT OF CONTROL!!! WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS WRONG!!!"

    Can you have it both ways???

  • Lynn
    April 8, 2008 2:03 p.m.

    The affidavits have been released! The 16 year old callled a violence shelter several times on Monday. The 16 year old told this shelter that she was spiritually married to a 50 year old man when she was 15 years old. The 16 year old also said that this man beat her on several occasions. And forced himself on her sexually. The 16 year old has had her ribs broken, several times by this man. Who has taken her to a local hospital. She thought that if she could fake a medical emergency, she could escape the compound. This is all per the avidavets that were just released. Cnn covered this about 10 mins ago.

    There investigators found a pattern of 13-14 year old girls were married off. and inpregnanted. That is what led them for removing ALL 401 children from the compound.

    So. Those that are crying that this si foul? There was a patter, and strong evidence that these authoritues found, of 13-14 year olds married, and sexually abused.

    Sorry for typos was trying to type as fast as CNN was reporting this.

  • Lynn
    April 8, 2008 1:48 p.m.

    The children are being raped on a regualr basis! THIS IS NOT ABOUR RELIGIOUS PERSECUTION! THIS IS ABOUT CHILD ABUSE, CHILD RAPE, ETC.

  • Shocked and Sad
    April 8, 2008 5:15 a.m.

    Although I admit inadequate information to fully understand the situation, as an American citizen I am shocked, angry, and frightened by the situation in Texas. Although the right to raise our children is not explicitly guaranteed in the Constitution, I see no more sacred right endowed to mankind. As far as I can infer from the news reports, for most of these 401 children there are no specific allegations of abuse, only "guilt by association" because of the religious teachings of their parents. The six-month-old is in no immediate danger, for example, except that s/he is being raised in a specific religious community. That the government can remove children from homes, abrogating all parental rights, because of religious association (without specific allegations of abuse or neglect) is far less of a grievous misuse of government power than the "taxation without representation" that led to the American Revolution. Combined with the lack of transparency due to the gag order, I am surprised that American patriots are not marching in the streets. What will happen next? Rounding up Muslims because of something taught in their mosques? Rounding up Christians because we might teach our children that abortion is wrong?

  • those evil Baptists
    April 8, 2008 4:17 a.m.

    "
    Baptist Buses | 7:42 p.m. Apr. 7, 2008
    Has anyone noticed that the police are using Baptist church buses to transport the people from the compound. Are we sure that these people aren't just a bunch of Baptists wearing badges driving polygamist pseudo- Mormons out of dodge? Sounds kind of familiar doesn't it?"

    Are you SERIOUS!?!? They also used school buses from the nearby district. Do you imagine that the secular humanists have teamed up with the Southern Baptists to attack FLDS? The Baptist church also opened their fellowship hall to provide aid and comfort to the women and children, including feeding them and other basic needs. Do you really believe that Mormons are the only people on the face of the earth that do kind things without any agenda? Or should be be suspicious the next time Mormons do anything to help a community? Sheesh. Praise God for any acts of charity from any group.

  • Great Comment Vickie!
    April 8, 2008 3:46 a.m.

    This is truly an answer to prayer for these precious children who have been born into horrific, abusive families. Read ESCAPE by Carolyn Jessop and you will get a picture of what really goes on in these polygamist compounds.

  • Benjamin
    April 8, 2008 2:12 a.m.

    My heart is indeed broken as I contemplate the situation facing these children. They are completely innocent and enduring a terrible situation. I also feel some sympathy to the parents. I have five children, and don't think I could handle my children being taken from me such as this.

    HOWEVER, there is culpability and responsibilty on the heads of these parents and church leaders. This has little or nothing to do with bigotry or true christianity. The law has been broken. Those who broke it understood they were breaking it. The constitution provides religious freedom, but not in an unlimited fashion.

    To those FLDS members that are feeling horrifically persecuted right now, may I politely refer you to the words of a prophet who was the founder of your faith...

    We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.

  • child safety
    April 8, 2008 1:30 a.m.

    i do not believe this is a case of religious persecution. it is about the safety of the children. i do not care to condemn them for their beliefs or even for the practice of poligamy as long as it is between CONSENTING ADULTS, but it was not. these children were being abused. I'm sure that not all 401 children were abused but they were all in danger. until it is determined which ones were abused and which ones weren't it is not safe to leave them on the compound. if a safe environment is established then the children will probably be returned to non-abusive families. as to what many of you have deemed a "prank call" any report of abuse MUST be invesigated. the fact that they have not yet identified the brave girl does not mean that she does not exist. if she was discovered she would hae been severely punished and might never be found or perhaps they simply have not had a chance to interview all of the many children. i applaud the decision of the Texas authorities in taking this seriously and preventing further abuse of innocent children.

  • Vickie
    April 8, 2008 1:25 a.m.

    I too just finished the book by Carolyn Jessop,
    Escape and Childs Bride. You too will say it's about freakin time the Feds have come in and done something to the Polygs. Way to go Texas, unlike Utah and Arizona who haven't done a thing about all the rapings, sexual abuse, physical abuse, porn etc. Those old men are all pervs and all I have to say is read Escape and you will never feel the same way about Polygamy again. My prayers have been answered for those moms and children, maybe they will do something about those in Utah and Arizona now.

  • Audrey
    April 8, 2008 12:52 a.m.

    I am truly shocked at so many people's willingness to jump to the defense of this community. It is truly a "Utah" reaction. Trust me, know one outside Utah is defending the actions of polygamists. As a former Utahn who now lives in California, I can tell you that polygamy continues to give a bad name to our state. Maybe the Utah attorney general and others can take note of this situation and take action against the many polygamous clans in our state - after all, they know EXACTLY where they are and choose to turn a blind eye.

    Keep in mind that these children were born into this community without choice and without an option to leave.

  • Thanks Gary Moore
    April 8, 2008 12:03 a.m.

    on the comment about paraphrase "admit that you did it or loose you kids forever."

    I refused to sign the statement and I am still paying almost 20 years later. I was never charged. Onne of my children is being told that if he talks to me he will loose his kids. However my exhusband supposedly had the same allegations made against him but is free to have contact with all the kids. The child who CPS says was abused has contact with me and is planning to sue the state on the grounds that he was denied his right to having his parents in his life. We had no contact with each other for a number of years. I was told that he wanted nothing to do with me and he was told that I didn't want him.

    CPS is evil. It messes with the kids heads and the parents. Children who are removed from their homes to suffer long term emotional problems. Some of the psychological problems most often diagnosed is: attachment disorder and PTSD(Post Tramatic Stress disorder regardless of how young they are removed from the home.

  • Children always come 1st
    April 7, 2008 11:55 p.m.

    Each and every one of God's children has the God-given right to be raised in an enviroment free from the pressures of childhod marriage, mother & fatherhood. To those of you who would suggest that the civil rights of FLDS adults and their leaders trump the rights of these children -SHAME ON YOU!!!

    Consider the words of the Saviour:
    "But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck and [that] he were drowned in the depth of the sea." Matt 18:6

  • Adam
    April 7, 2008 11:52 p.m.

    Anonymous, are you posting your fathers name?
    Just kidding. (I had to say just kidding so my post will go through). Some of you are quietly smirking and are happy that the state is involved not because of your concern for anyone, but your stinging hate for groups that have branched off from the "mysterious" LDS church. I might be over simplifying things here but you all know this has a lot of truth to it. Any chance to throw in your two bits on how retarded the LDS faith is or any faith that has branched off of it causes some of your eyes to light up...admit it.

  • LDS questioning now
    April 7, 2008 11:42 p.m.

    The LDS church knows too well what persecution is in our history. Our ancestors were driven out of their homes, children taken from mother's arms. I am ashamed to see the Church staying silent on this abuse of power by government monkeys.

    Where is the outrage from President Monson and church leaders on this matter? Every single child is abused? Every father kept prisoner at the town by armed thugs? And my LDS church keeps silent. Maybe it is time to leave.

  • Englishrose
    April 7, 2008 11:46 p.m.

    Polgamy is against the law. Period. You may believe polgamy will be practiced in eternity, but it is AGAINST THE LAW on earth and the Texas law officals are protecting innocent children and doing their job. This is not rocket science...this is the United States law.

  • Solutions
    April 7, 2008 11:20 p.m.

    Anytime you have a lack of accountability, you will eventually get abuses, and those abuses will get out of control. Warren Jeff was accountable to no one. The men in this sect were accountable only to other men and not to their wives or to the law which would be biblical. It is human nature for people who are not held accountable for their actions and who are therefore allowed to act as though they are above the law to abuse other people and to eventually get out of control.

    My workplace is like this in that an old man holds sway over more intelligent, harder-working, more professional people. Women who meet his emotional needs have the run of the place. Women who are honest and work hard are abused and suppressed by the favored women. Men can do what they want. This is a taxpayer supported entity but shrouded with secrecy even from agencies who have a right to information. The old man lies, and others repeat after him. He is seen abusing and lying and then is said to be "a good man." Women are told to "smile and keep quiet." In 2008. Human nature without accountability.

  • Kathy
    April 7, 2008 11:14 p.m.

    I agree and disagree with various aspects of the raid and NONE of us can make any point as FACT until we receive more information. I am impatient to learn of their reasonings for further and maybe more deeply mentally damaging these children by the traumatic way in which they were removed. But one thing bothers me the most: Why did they not remove the MEN (the alledged abusers) and leave the women and children in their homes where they were sheltered, fed, clothed, comforted and then interviewed? Why leave the men and terrorize those who are victims as well as those who were not??

  • Lynn
    April 7, 2008 11:04 p.m.

    Why didn't they arrest the perpatrator?!? Ummm because he CANNOT be found. He is on the run like a chicken! That should tell you all something right there. If there was no abuse by this guy, then why does he not turn himself in, to end this whole thing?? He is already convicted of the following charges

    "Dale Evans Barlow, 47 years of age, "Sexual Conduct with a Minor", "Conspiracy to Commit Sexual Conduct with a Minor" both class 6 felonies, and "Conspiracy to Commit Child Abuse", a class 3 felony. "

    He is on FELONY probation

    As I would say.. Once a sex offender ALWAYS a sex offender!!!!!

  • Lynn
    April 7, 2008 11:00 p.m.

    CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS?? Are you kidding me? Since when does molesting children play into peopls Constitutional rights?!?!

  • Lynn
    April 7, 2008 10:58 p.m.

    QUOTE

    "The government can prevent future Eldorados by legalizing polygamous marriage. There is no legitimate reason for a law prohibiting consenting adults to marry whomever they please. Legalize it and the LDS can lift its temporary ban that has resulted in the promulgation of these bizarre mutations of Mormonism such as the FLDS. Allow consenting adults to marry. Prosecute child molesters and welfare cheats to the fullest extent of the law. Get real."

    That is not the point here! CPS took custody of these kids because it was not two consenting ADULTS it was one adult forcing a CHILD into marrige. Get a grip!

  • Anonymous
    April 7, 2008 11:02 p.m.

    Quote

    "401 people detained? On what evidence? An apparently anonymous report"

    Not detained in PROTECTIVE custody to keep them from being abused, learn to read.

  • Lynn
    April 7, 2008 10:53 p.m.

    quote
    "The police officers who invaded the ranch should be charged for violating the first ammendment. apparently an ammendment has been made to the constitution allowing the government to prohibit the free exercise of religion!!!!! if it comes out that any of the women and children were so much as coersed to leave, then the police should be charged for violating the fifth ammendment, for they seazed property unlawfully"

    The first amendment does not say the freedom to molest a child!

  • Lynn
    April 7, 2008 10:57 p.m.

    What happened to protecting the children?!?! if your child was abused you would want your child protected from the abuser. Get a life people and quit defending child molesters!

    If 50 year old men are married to teens under 16 that is statutory rape, molestation. We have seen several accounts, 18 of those children under the age of 16 are pregnant! which proves the theory that they were raped. Who gives a crap whether it is under the guise of religion. Kids do not deserve to be raped... and forced into anything they don't want to do!

    so once again Grow up!

  • Lynn
    April 7, 2008 10:54 p.m.

    Why couldn't the children be intervied quietly in the compound??


    Umm because that is were the alleged abuse is, and that is where the alleged abusers are, no child would speak for fear of there abusers catching wind of it and have serious reprucussions!

  • Wow
    April 7, 2008 10:52 p.m.

    I guess that the contributors to these blogs will never cease to amaze me. There is so much vitriolic language being thrown around by everyone that I will leave this page feeling hopeless and sad. I am not a supporter of the FLDS; but they are human beings who love their families. I believe in a government of laws and limits and understand that the DCP workers are doing their best. Everyone needs to step back and make sure they are being rational and civil.

  • Lynn
    April 7, 2008 10:49 p.m.

    All I can say to everyone that is saying "this was handled so wronf... injustice..... etc etc" Whe you go to school, and get your degree fro Child protective services, then you can have something to complain about.

    We all know that this is child abuse, and the reason we are not allowed to know ALL the details is because it would jeapordize the case. Grow up, and stop doubting things Because I tell you what. If your kids are ever abused, cps would investigate that as well.

    This society is so corrupt, that we turn a blind eye to things we could not even imagine would be going on in teh world. But guess what?!?!! THEY DO, THEY ARE GOING ON. AND I HOPE AND PRAY NOTHING EVERY HAPPENS TO YOUR KIDS, THAT WOULD RESULT IN CPS GETTING INVOLVED, BECAUSE YOU WOULD PROBABLY CALL FOUL THEN TO

    WAKE UP TO REALITY PEOPLE! CAUSE IF YOU DON'T THEN ITS GONNA BITE YOU IN THE BUTT!

    From a former childhood cult abuse survivor!!!

  • Hello People!!!
    April 7, 2008 10:45 p.m.

    Do people really think that these 401 children are being placed in foster homes without a reason? If the people that went into this group, went legally and they found evidence of abuse, then they are doing their duty. If they were hasty and didn't have proof and were acting on an agenda, well the law goes both ways. We do not have the facts, we do not know what CPS found that justifies putting all these children in foster care. I do hope that understanding people will take these children, they are very protected from the real world, they do not watch TV and have a distorted knowledge of what is out there. I do not agree with the lifestyle, but I would hope that they are not forced to change their clothing styles, until they want to, or their hair style. Some may be very willing to make the changes and adapt to the outside world, some will not and I would guess that some of the women that left have wanted to get out. I can only imagine what has prompted CPS to remove all of these children, but we will only know if there's a trial.

  • Prosecutor
    April 7, 2008 10:42 p.m.

    Kudos to Texas authorities for having the courage to conduct a "by-the-book" rescue operation, even though they know it's likely to ignite a nationwide firestorm of criticism.

    Just to make it clear, the FLDS community is not some cute little anachronism that should remind Mormons of our roots. It's the polar opposite of the early Church. Rather than humble submission to God's will, rather than kindness, gentleness, meekness, and love unfeigned, the record shows a long history in the FLDS organization and leadership of cruelty and oppression, violence, underhandedness, greed, and lechery, as well as the obvious and open rebellion to God.

    Their fruits.

    And what's all the fuss about Baptist Church buses? I applaud the Baptists for standing ready to assist these victims of crime, just as we would do, and have done, in similar circumstances.

    The bombast about storm trooper tactics and nutty comparisons to the holocaust aside, these 401 people are people! They are victims of generations of oppression! They deserve to be offered a way out!

    Demands that they be returned to a life of forced marriage to aging pedophiles demean both them and our system of justice.

  • Enter Name
    April 7, 2008 10:32 p.m.

    BRAINWASHED wrote: Last time I check, when one is brainwashed from birth its hard to "know" what to believe....

    Oh really? So, anyone who has stayed with whatever set of beliefs instilled into them by their own parents is brainwashed? Then who is NOT brainwashed, of any religion?

  • DeLaval Milker
    April 7, 2008 10:19 p.m.

    Occasionally, we dance around it bit never too close.
    The idea that in the religious arena, free as it is from the burden of proof, that the diversity, especially at the extremes, suggests that people sometimes just make stuff up and sell it is religion. And that they have a less than noble purpose.
    Not every religion can be 'true'. At least some of it has to be wrong. Honestly, some comes across as simply crap. Not every follower raised in ignorance, fear and isolation is a believer. No matter what they claim, I don't think anyone can be beaten to happiness.
    Unfortunately, raising a dog is a priviliege in society. Time and again we prove, however, that any idiot can own a child.

  • It makes some people
    April 7, 2008 10:21 p.m.

    Angry that Texas would raise the legal age of marriage to sixteen? Goodness, you must like the fact that many girls have been victims of statutory rape! I guess you think a girl below sixteen is accountable and mature enough to make the decision to marry 50 year old men. Disgusting!

  • BRAINWASHED
    April 7, 2008 10:16 p.m.

    "but I also profess a belief that all other people should be allowed to worship how, where or what they may."

    Last time I check, when one is brainwashed from birth its hard to "know" what to believe....

  • Donald
    April 7, 2008 10:05 p.m.

    How did we come to accept the government taking children out of homes because we didn't approve of a people's way of life? What happened to us to think this is good? Some of you must be pretty sick and twisted in your thinking.

    This would have been abhorant in Soviet or Fascist states. But here in freedom-loving America?

  • Larry
    April 7, 2008 9:11 p.m.

    Go Texas

  • FarmBoy
    April 7, 2008 9:10 p.m.

    Actually, Farm Girl, I've had direct experience with the FLDS, as they bought and harvested produce on our farm.

    The girls were clean, modestly dressed, and though not quite as hard working as the boys, much more hard working than the girls in my community. The boys were cooperative and respectful of both their elders and the women. No tatoos, no foul language, no greed. What our community once was.

    The real eye opener for us was that the Mothers were making the important family decisions. We had heard that it was like Islam and the men made all the decisions. Not so, we heard them confer with their wives and we watched men going along with the wive's decisions.

    When it was time to settle, it was the women who carefully watched and approved the transaction.

    The Texas CPS is painting with a wide brush what is likely to be an isolated incident. Hopefully they have lots of money to fight all the Pro Bono lawyers coming to Texas to make a name. It seems to me that Texas is a capital of executions and the cradle of George Bush. Maybe it needs a check mate.

  • PCH
    April 7, 2008 8:55 p.m.

    I am absolutely proud of Texas for doing what the states of Utah and Arizona haven't had the guts to do -- enforce the law! Keep these kids out of harms way -- protect these young girls from OLD men!

  • CitizensRights
    April 7, 2008 8:38 p.m.

    To Anonymous: Perhaps you're not aware that the Qu'ran allows 4 wives and that Islam is now larger than Catholicism and headed toward being larger than Christianity. Your monogamy position is fast becoming minority. Personally, I find polygamy repugnant, but I can't find any scriptural edict against it in the Bible which only requires a necessity for a "Bishop" to be the husband of one wife. For me to forbid other consenting adults to be monogamous is just an exercise of power by me and my state. Laws are not forever and change with the culture. We're not God.

    If there is abuse then prosecute the abusers, but that is no excuse to persecute an entire community by assuming that they are all abusers.

    Iraq turned into a mess because our leaders, in their ignorance, did not realize there could be no division of religion and state. One cannot make sucessful war against, or, destroy a culture. Cultures survive anything. For example, the American Indians have their own culture though the US attempted to educate it out of their children for a 100 years. The FLDS are no different. Attempts to destroy that culture will also fail.

  • farm girl
    April 7, 2008 8:41 p.m.

    I am proud of Texas, hope people will realize the women were treated lik the muslim and Taliban women. yes here in america, you go Texas

  • GentleDanite
    April 7, 2008 8:25 p.m.

    Why oppose plural marriage between consenting adults? What is the danger to society? If you don't believe in purple sweaters then don't wear them. If you don't believe in abortion then don't have one. And if you don't want more than one wife, or don't want to share your husband with another wife, then don't practice plural marriage. Why should it be illegal?

  • Jen Shostak
    April 7, 2008 8:25 p.m.

    "A state welfare spokeswoman said Texas officially had taken temporary custody of 401 children...As of now, they plan to place all 401 children in foster homes. Meanwhile, law enforcement officials continued to search...for more minors..."We do believe that there are other children still at the ranch, and if so, they, too, will be removed...This is about children we believe have been abused or neglected."

    This is exactly what the Nazis did to the children of Polish intellectuals when Germany invaded Poland. The Poles were deemed unsuitable parents. If you have forgotten the movie, rent and watch Sophie's Choice.

    Taking these 401 children away from mothers who are not physically abusive to them creates profound, long term emotional damage to the children, which will follow them into adulthood.

    My heart is breaking for the children and mothers who will be separated from each other, by the children being placed in foster homes.

    As a Polish American, I cannot watch Sophie's Choice. Never in my wildest dreams did I expect children to be forcibly ripped from their mothers' arms in America.

  • shem928
    April 7, 2008 8:25 p.m.

    What happened to our constitutional rights!!! God help us all!!!

  • Karl
    April 7, 2008 8:09 p.m.

    So if someone makes a phone call, the whole community is taken into custody? Right.

    We're all concerned about a 50 year-old marrying a 16 year-old? Sure. Why don't they simply arrest the 50 year-old man? And why don't you, who are LDS, speak out against prior LDS Church leaders who did the same thing?

    This is called religious intolerance. And for those of you who belong to a "cult," as some call Mormonism, and are cheering on the Texas authorities, you're not too bright. You might be next.

    There are a lot of people in this country who'd love to see the LDS Church shut down and its temple doors opened.

    I oppose plural marriage and think these people and their clan are weird, but I also profess a belief that all other people should be allowed to worship how, where or what they may. And I think what is happening in this situation is horrible.

    I'm grateful the people are cooperating, but am confident this will not end until their church and community are disbanded.

    Having multiple partners is okay, as long as you don't marry them.

  • GentleDanite
    April 7, 2008 8:03 p.m.

    The government can prevent future Eldorados by legalizing polygamous marriage. There is no legitimate reason for a law prohibiting consenting adults to marry whomever they please. Legalize it and the LDS can lift its temporary ban that has resulted in the promulgation of these bizarre mutations of Mormonism such as the FLDS. Allow consenting adults to marry. Prosecute child molesters and welfare cheats to the fullest extent of the law. Get real.

  • Civil rights
    April 7, 2008 7:52 p.m.

    401 people detained? On what evidence? An apparently anonymous report?

    Yes, I'm a Mormon, and no, I don't approve of FLDS practices that are claimed to be widespread. But more important than my distaste for the FLDS is the removal of 401 people based on one report. And I don't think we should minimize the importance of young girls being married against their will - this is simply wrong. But 400+ people? On one report? Why should 12 year old girls and older women be hauled away as the police search for a 16 year old? This is not a precedent that should be set.

    Then there are the image issues, hauling away these people on buses marked "First Baptist Church". I realize that they may not have the resources to get other buses, but they must have realized how this would make them look - hauling away children from a religious compound in buses marked of a faith strongly opposed to their own.

    The Texas police have handled this situation very, very poorly. It's hard to condemn the practice of marrying off child brides against their will strongly enough. But we must preserve our rights.

  • Baptist Buses
    April 7, 2008 7:42 p.m.

    Has anyone noticed that the police are using Baptist church buses to transport the people from the compound. Are we sure that these people aren't just a bunch of Baptists wearing badges driving polygamist pseudo- Mormons out of dodge? Sounds kind of familiar doesn't it?

  • CitizensRights
    April 7, 2008 7:35 p.m.

    Carrying away women and children in a Baptist bus smacks of religious persecution. A legitimate operation would have eliminated any semblence of tainted motives.

    As far as the "mothers leaving without coercion" - that appears to be a sneaky white lie spin. What mother, having the option to go with her child or lose all contact, would not go???

    These state CPS people are as whacky as the FLDS. Most of them are thinking-distorted by their own abused history and now see abuse everywhere. Too bad we can't send them to Iraq, where there is a risk for agressive actions.

  • Long
    April 7, 2008 7:27 p.m.

    Gary Moore
    thank you. lets us, people be used. not only for them. but for us! we should matter and we will.

  • Anonymous
    April 7, 2008 7:29 p.m.

    Well well. One always hears how mainstream Mormons disapprove of FLDS and polygamy. The opposite seems to be true on this site. Many of you seem quite empathetic and supportive of the Texas compound and these people's right to live the lifestyle they have chosen, i.e. coercing young girls and women into polygamous marriage, producing children that they cannot support, etc. I guarantee you the responses to this article would be very different on a non-Mormon site...

  • So Funny!
    April 7, 2008 7:27 p.m.

    To Karen: Stupid is as stupid does. Learn how to spell! To Mormons: Oh really. Are you Mormon? Have you spoken with the "mainstream" Mormons or the rest of the world? Didn't think so. To Concerned Christian: What???? Are you blind? Did your dog run away and now you think it may be hidden in the Temple? Give me a break!!!!

    Tell me why they have to take all of the children from the compound. Why not take the married men away instead?
    I've lived in Texas. There may not be too many deep thinkers. I pray for the children whom I believe are the victims here.



  • Get Real
    April 7, 2008 7:27 p.m.

    The FLDS are infamous for marrying 14 year old children to 50 year old men. If this isn't child abuse, I don't know what is. Utah should do the same thing to protect the children.

  • Rebekah
    April 7, 2008 7:25 p.m.

    If 401 children can be taken from a community in Texas and put in state custody with nobody being informed of the alleged abuse or neglect that occured, it can happen to you and your family, in your home, church, school, or community.

    Think of it this way...
    If one girl from your child's sunday school class called CPS and said she was being abused by a male church member we'll name "Dale"... or at least that's what CPS says happened.
    So CPS goes in and can't find the girl but determines there are 18 children who are likely being abused as well.
    So, they decide to tear all 401 children from their homes, church, and known surroundings for "questioning" and "assessments". Actually, that was a ploy. CPS is now keeping all 4

    They determine that "Dale" is actually in Arizona on probation and yet they still don't go arrest him, but continue to use the search warrant as legal justification to do whatever the hell they please. Because hey -- everyone hates your church. After all, some other church members and your church leader did something wrong so EVERYBODY in your church must be vile and evil.

    Right?

    WRONG!!!

  • FLDS Male Strategy
    April 7, 2008 7:22 p.m.

    To answer some of the comments regarding why the men of the FLDS Church continue to marry girls in the 14-16 year old range and continue to get themselves in trouble with the law: seriously folks, that's simple. How many women over the age of 18 even without a formal education would want to marry a 40-60 year old man with 25 kids? Once the parents loose control over the woman, she'll begin to think and act on her own. I know there would be some gals who would choose what they believed to be a "higher calling" in the culture of polygamy no matter how old they be. But, the chances for this lifestyle and closed society to continue would diminish greatly if the woman, err girl, didn't have two or three kids and was thoroughly expunged of hope for any other life by the time she was 18.

  • Gary Moore
    April 7, 2008 6:44 p.m.

    There are a lot more stories to be found on the 'net from people abused by CPS/DCFS agencies, than there are from abused former polygamists.

    Accused criminals are protected by constitutional rights. Accused parents in juvenile court have none. They are not presumed innocent, they are punished without conviction or even trial, and are given one option: confess and cooperate, whether you did it or not, or lose the children permanently.

    An indiscriminate mass round up. 401 children in detention, and still counting! Hopefully this extreme action will blow up in the face of Texas CPS, just like it did for Gov. Pyle in 1953, and the problem of rampant child welfare agency abuse of families across this nation will finally get some meaningful press coverage.

  • Inform yourself
    April 7, 2008 6:34 p.m.

    It is not unusual for the uninformed to equate polygamy with underage marriage. Just as it is not unusual for the uninformed to equate today's LDS church with today's polygamists.

    Have you ever been stereotyped?

    Does Catholic priest always equal pedophile?
    Does Muslim always equal a terrorist?
    Does Mormon always scoutleader equal a pedophile?
    Does black man always equal a criminal?
    Does blonde always equal dumb?
    Does Hispanic always equal illegal immigrant?

    Inform yourself from more than one source, and from more than your nightly news

    There are tens of thousands of polygamous families throughout the Western United States. They live a couple blocks from you. Their children attend school with your children. They build your houses. They own your local stores. They cheer for your kids' (and theirs) little league teams. They nurture and protect their children as you do. They abhor child abuse, sexual abuse, underage marriage and fraud as much as you do. They aren't on the nightly news because they don't deserve to be.

    They are criminals in one area only: because they have not left women and children along a trail of divorce or promiscuity like so many other Americans today.

  • Long
    April 7, 2008 6:30 p.m.

    ther are GOD, OR GOD's in most common Religions.thay all use GOD there higher power to sway, or get there point across. IF YOU THINK THAY USE GOD TO ABUSE THERE FAMILIES MAYBE YOU SHOULD STUDY MORE ABOUT THEM, and not the books that people who hate them write. We live in America, freedom of Religion. if you wish there Religion was gon. you just may be wishing away your one right's. there is abuse every were you go and that is sad. BUT TO TAKE 400 KIDS FROM THERE FAMILIES IS SOMTHING TO LOOK AT. people! LOOK AT WATS GOING ON. i live in the United states, Ilove it here because of people that stad up for one another. treat them like you would treat any other American I know i will even if that means standing up for them BECOUS WE ARE AMERICANS!!!!

  • JES
    April 7, 2008 6:26 p.m.

    Karen - I'm a Utah Mormon that happens to be very glad my church abandoned polygamy more than 100 years ago. Please don't confuse us with the FLDS. One wife is plenty for me.

    V.C Bennett - I too worry about places referred to as compounds, including FLDs, Waco, Neo_Nazi, Kennedy, Kerry - Note both extreme conservative and liberal have areas designated as compounds. The key is EXTREME.

    As for whether all of these children should have been removed, I have a difficult time believing that. As much as I disagree with their beliefs, I doubt 100% of them are evil. I also disagree with Muslims, but I doubt 100% of Muslim women and children are abused either. Although I have read supposedly reputable NEWS articles from major NEWS outlets that would have me believe that in certain areas. I think taking all of the children was a reach, and involving another church, critical of their beliefs for transportation should not have been allowed. I hope for the sake of the Texas justice sysytem that they truly have their ducks in a row.

  • shocked
    April 7, 2008 6:26 p.m.

    Yes to 29ner. Zieg Heil, is spelled Sieg Heil by the way. Ziege means goat. Sieg means winning.
    I hope the FLDS people know enough about the law to sue child protective services. Of course the women leave with the children, the children don't know anybody else but their moms and taking them away the way this happened is traumatic. They had better have counselors for them for the next 30 years. I too think the call was bogus and Texans really jumped the gun there and should be held accountable for it. Better build them a few more buildings for screwing up their families like this. Even if Texans don't like the FLDS church, there are other ways to make sure no abuse is happening than to destroy families. Time to get some attorneys involved on the FLDS side.

  • Jesse L.
    April 7, 2008 6:18 p.m.

    The police officers who invaded the ranch should be charged for violating the first ammendment. apparently an ammendment has been made to the constitution allowing the government to prohibit the free exercise of religion!!!!! if it comes out that any of the women and children were so much as coersed to leave, then the police should be charged for violating the fifth ammendment, for they seazed property unlawfully

  • Brooke
    April 7, 2008 6:17 p.m.

    So much for religious freedom???? What an abuse of justice By the Texas Authorities... What has happened to our country??? The Police have turned into Big Brother. Who will be next??? Homeschoolers??? Soccer Moms???

  • Concerned Christian
    April 7, 2008 6:06 p.m.

    Well, at least now we know why non-Mormons aren't allowed in your temples! Looks like they do more harm than just ruin the landscapes of the communities they invade. Goodness only knows what's going on in those buildings and who's being hidden in there.

  • Oklahoma Mormon
    April 7, 2008 6:02 p.m.

    For you people who are not appalled what ZOG has done, you need to get your heads out and wake up. Whether or nor you support the FLDS, it makes no difference. Is nothing sacred anymore? Baptists are high up there with the rest of the hate groups. Their churches are nothing more than the philosophies of men mingled with scripture. The state of Texas is a puppet for ZOG. My storage is being increased by a large amount.

  • Mormons
    April 7, 2008 5:50 p.m.

    For those "mainstream" Mormons who view these renegade cultists with bewilderment and pity for their ridiculous religious beliefs -- the rest of the world views you with pretty much the same sentiments.

  • bhparkman
    April 7, 2008 5:40 p.m.

    At least the feds didn't kill everyone this time...

  • dreadnoughtdad
    April 7, 2008 5:28 p.m.

    If you took 401 random children from any community in the world, and questioned them about abuse, I suspect you might get a higher response than from these children.
    I don't agree with them, but is there cause to believe that child abuse among FLDS is higher than other Texas communities or religions?
    Also, I would include being persuaded to be married at 15 as child abuse.
    If it turns out that the instances of "child abuse", in any form, are much less than the national average, then Texas is going to get their pants sued off.

  • Long
    April 7, 2008 5:24 p.m.

    To all of you. if this was (YOU) would you take it? if my children were taken i would follow them. for those mothers that go with there children thay need all our soport. in 1953 thay had a Raid. the people of Arizona spoke out.if you want a book to read find it in your Library. also get on yiur computer and look up sexoffender in your Town. then ask your self if you would let authorities take your family. I have the right to ( BARE ARMS ) are we free?

  • wrz
    April 7, 2008 5:23 p.m.

    >>! How can one unsubstantiated complaint result in the detention of 401 children from various families?

  • collaboraters?
    April 7, 2008 5:17 p.m.

    A question for those of you that are equating this with the actions of the Nazis; if you really believe what you are saying, why aren't you doing something about it? Or are you like those in the ghettos that watched it happen to others? Either you don't really believe it is like what the Nazis did at all, you're just running your mouths; or you do believe it, but really don't care. Which is it? Are you going to stand down, or stand up?

  • re: to angered from angered
    April 7, 2008 5:20 p.m.

    No, I watched the press conference. I didn't get my information from a secondhand newspaper article. They have 'cut off' access to the compound effectively detaining them. When asked what grounds they had to keep them there the lady responded "we are seeking a search warrant". They don't have one yet according to herself.

    If they have evidence of abuse, how are they not being arrested? This is just a cover story because they don't like these people in their state and they don't like what they believe. It is bigoted and hateful and a violation of these peoples rights.

    And to "Violent Abusers" when asked what grounds they had to remove all 401 children they said "Physical abuse" they never said a word about sexual abuse. Unless they were just avoiding the word, physical abuse means violent abuse. So yes, they are taking away these children from their parents on the ground of some nebulous term of "physical abuse".

    It should scare the living daylights out of anyone that we have an organization like CPS that runs above law. They answer to no one. They do as they please and can take your children without evidence of criminal behavior.

  • wrz
    April 7, 2008 5:19 p.m.

    >>I don't support the FLDS, but I am concerned with government overreach in this case.

  • Cindy
    April 7, 2008 5:17 p.m.

    I too read the book ESCAPED by Jessop. I highly suggest you read the book before you criticize our law enforcement agency. I am more concerned about the unfound girl that made the phone call. She may be dead or being severely punished for her actions. Let's hope we find her!

  • 29er
    April 7, 2008 5:12 p.m.

    Now we learn that Texas recently changed the minimum age for marriage from 14 to 16 specifically because of the arrival of FLDS. So, before FLDS settled in Texas it was legal for a 50 year old man to take a 14 year old as a wife and start a family. Obviously, Texas decided to persecute FLDS for actually practicing what others in Texas (especially in the piney woods of East Texas) had been practicing for decades.

    Cultures all over the world practice intergenerational marriage as a perfectly valid strategy of society to provide stability, food, shelter, and care for families raising children better than can a pair or inexperienced and unsettled youngsters .

    It is an outrage for the state of Texas to rip 401 children away from their social system for the sheer purpose of imposing a relatively new cultural norm on a group of people who have lived this way for decades.

  • KAREN
    April 7, 2008 5:06 p.m.

    ARE MORMANS, AND OTHERS REALY THIS STUPID????? POLIGAMY IS AGAINST THE LAW, AND THEY HAVE BEEN KNOWN TO ABUSE CHILDREN SEXUALLY, AND MENTALY AND YOU PEOPLE SEE A PROBLEM WITH THEM GETTING THESE CHILDREN OUT?? THEY ARE ALL BRAINWASHED......IF THEY ARE NOT GUILTY GREAT, BUT THEY NEED TO BE PUNISHED IF THEY ARE BREAKING THE LAW(WHICH THEY ARE)

  • V.C. Bennett
    April 7, 2008 4:59 p.m.

    For those of you who are worried about the over-reaching government interferring with the FLDS... I suggest to you that these people are captive under the thumb of something far more sinister.... those who use God as a tool of emotional, sexual, and economic manipulation. People like this scare the h*** out of rational, concerned citizens.

    Any community that is called a "compound" is
    problematic... I worry about the children who are denied the liberation of education and literacy: that knowledge to make up their own minds about their personal direction... who knows, they may set out and find good, decent people with whom to procreate, who are NOT their cousins, brothers, sisters, or fathers and passive-aggressive control freaks.

  • utahcounty
    April 7, 2008 4:54 p.m.

    the reason they are rounding up these people is becuase polygamy is wrong, and ripe for abuse. Give the law enforcement officers some time and the abuses will become apparent.

  • AMISH
    April 7, 2008 4:38 p.m.

    THE AMISH WILL BE THE NEXT!

  • Mass justice
    April 7, 2008 4:37 p.m.

    I know their has been immorality in my ward, and I am willing for us all to be rounded up to root out the fornicators.

    It was also fun to read, across the posse buses, "Baptist Church." Go Texas!

  • Anonymous
    April 7, 2008 4:38 p.m.

    Good job Texas!

  • Not so bad
    April 7, 2008 4:31 p.m.

    Well, the FLDS are gonna wish they hadn't messed with Texas. Shoulda stayed right here in Utah and Arizona. We may prosecute polygamous men for marrying underage girls but it has been over 50 years since Arizona raided the polygamous town of Short Creek and hauled women and children away.

  • JND
    April 7, 2008 4:24 p.m.

    Tough bananas, those of you who like to see adult men married to middle school aged girls. Stay out of Texas.

  • Minerman
    April 7, 2008 4:29 p.m.

    Has everyone forgotten that this is the same community that married a 14 year old girl to a 19 year old guy? Or that whether you agree with it or not, polygamy IS illegal, and that under the law they could arrest all of the adult? It's sad to see all this happen, but the law is the law. If you don't like it, work to change it. They may not be dealing drugs, but they're dealing kids here folks. Marrying kids who can't even drive. If the story had been about them marrying another middle schooler to a college aged guy, you'd all be up in arms. I don't know if this is what's best for the kids, but the alternative certainly wasn't appealing.

  • Mongo
    April 7, 2008 4:28 p.m.

    Zeig Heil! --Yeah, what you said. The jews were led away peacefully to their deaths. Watching this on the news has made me think twice--DFS has just too much power. As far as I know, young girls do not have access to phones. I think the call was bogus and the reasons for taking all those children was bogus. Almost looked like a prelude to another Mountain Meadows Massacre, only this time, it will be carried out by the Texas Rangers. . . .

  • Canadian
    April 7, 2008 4:19 p.m.

    I can't believe the heading of the news report "401 children rounded up. Is that just how it is rounding up those children just like a herd of wiened calves" Talk about mass abuse. Why couldn't these kids have been interviewed quietly right there in their own environment?
    TEXAS the great state. just gotta keep up with the western way.
    Do they still round up and abuse the aborigianl people in Texas? Sounds like The biggest State never grew up.

  • Kevin in Texas
    April 7, 2008 4:10 p.m.

    This is a very heavy handed move by the state of Texas. I think it is uncalled for! I want to see some justification as to their abuse claims. What a perposterous situation for these people.

  • Please Explain
    April 7, 2008 4:13 p.m.

    Something doesnt add up here... The original estimates were 300-400 people at the compound. Theyve now removed some 400 women and children. That doesnt leave very many men, but even if the population estimate was incorrect and theres still a couple hundred men there, how is it that a mere handful of men could build an entire city, complete with a utilities infrastructure, not to mention a temple as well, and still have any time left for low and filthy habits of sexual abuse against young girls?

  • Bayou Vol
    April 7, 2008 4:10 p.m.

    This is a huge abuse of judicial power by a district judge in TX. They are justifying the detention and separation of dozens of families with arguably probable cause relating to one/two of the possible inhabitants. The mere existence of these persons in the compund does not create evidence sufficient to support probable cause for detention. I hope there is an army of attorneys willing to stand in the honest defense of these people. I do not agree with their beliefs, but this screams of habeas corpus, religious discrimination, bad faith execution of a warrant, abuse of judicial authority, and possibly a litany of other possible constitutional violations. Absolutely horrendous abuse of the authorities constitutional discretion. I can hardly believe this is happening and am incensed at the ramifications of the actions taken. I think those people with some understanding of the FLDS's beliefs should rise to the defense of this group of families. I do not condone the abuse of children nor the violation of law, but this is beyond egregious.

  • Andy
    April 7, 2008 4:04 p.m.

    As I read all the comments so far, I am wondering who of any of you have been given all the facts of this case? I am not in any way condoning anything that has happened, but I do know that a case like this a DA would have to be very selective of what they do or say to avoid a lawsuit. It is not uncommon to have a press confrence like this and not be able to release all the details.

    Lets just wait until we hear all the details until we start to complain. I for one still have faith in our law enforcement and try my best to give them the benifit of the doubt.

  • magnus
    April 7, 2008 3:56 p.m.

    I am fairly certain that if you rounded up 400 children from any middle class neighborhood in America you would find at least 18 who showed signs of abuse and neglect, in fact I would bet that the number would be much higher. This whole situation reeks of a govornmental abuse of power.

    That being said, here is the thing that I cannot understand.

    It is very apparent from the history and recent prosecution of polygamists that the law either doesn't care or can't do much if you are JUST practicing polygamy. If that is the case then why do these men INSIST on continuing to marry girls under the legal age of consent.

    Personaly, I think the fact that polygamy is illegal is a joke, but if you can't wait until your future wife/wives are over 16 or even 18 to marry her then you have earned whatever "Persecution" you get.

    See The Book of Mormon, Jacob 2:31-33 It seems ramarkably suited to this particular situation.

  • mwudo
    April 7, 2008 3:54 p.m.

    This whole thing was handled terribly. We all know how successful WACO was. I'm saddened they entered their temple also, I sure hope all this was warrented by something other than a would-be prank caller. Obviously there have been problems with abuse in the FLDS church and I'm not defending what has gone on that we know of, but where was the humanity in this? Wouldn't it have been better to address the isolated incident than tearing everybody out and then try to find the needle in the haystack while the pressure to not tell is huge when EVERYBODY is together?

  • Park City Resident
    April 7, 2008 3:50 p.m.

    Too bad our own attorney general doesn't have the guts to give the children here in Utah the same protection.


  • They have a search warrant.
    April 7, 2008 3:48 p.m.

    If a search warrant is served on your house, you will not be allowed to leave while that is going on. The men will be allowed to leave once the search is complete. Split emotions, you also missed the point that the women have gone with these children voluntarily and are free to leave at any time. The only ones taken under the court order were the children.

  • To Angered
    April 7, 2008 3:48 p.m.

    In answer to your first question, NO.
    In answer to your second question. No abusers have been arrested, you're making things up.
    In answer to your third question. YES

    "I know I certainly wouldn't" True, you open mouth and blaze away, don't you?

    I got my information by reading the local newspaper, several of them from different reporters. I discounted that which was non-repeatable and didn't try to read more into it than was there. You should do the same.

    Texas DPS, the best there are.

  • Tinfoil hats, anyone?
    April 7, 2008 3:36 p.m.

    The very fact that this DOES concern the FLDS and the Fundamentalist Mormons, means that ANY child's complaint must be taken seriously.

    The Texans down here don't take kindly to child abuse....and this will expose the Mormon Fundamentalists for exactly what they are.

  • Re: Violent abusers?
    April 7, 2008 3:41 p.m.

    I haven't seen any reports that describe the abuse as violent.

    Sexual abuse doesn't have to be violent in order to be abuse. The victims may show no outward signs of abuse or may even appear to be unresisting participants. That doesn't prove the victims haven't been abused.

    There have been way too many eye-witness accounts from underaged victims of these arranged marriages for authorities to simply turn a blind eye when a complaint has been registered.

    Given the very strict control of the youth within the FLDS community, any instance of a young pregnant girl must be investigated by authorities to determine whether the circumstances involve sexual abuse.

    If the girl's parents are complicit in allowing an arranged marriage for their underage daughter to occur, who else does the girl have to turn to for help but the state?

  • Texas justice
    April 7, 2008 3:36 p.m.

    It reminds me of the mothers, children, and old men being led away to the concentration camps in Nazi Germany. Where is the justice?

  • Oddword
    April 7, 2008 3:37 p.m.

    You know, for the most part, I dislike FLDS and others like them, and I wouldn't generally defend them, but I'm with the others that say this could really be very serious. When the dust settles, there had better be some REALLY good answers and reasoning behind all of what these officials are doing, or else I am going to be one of the folks who sees to it that heads roll and things are made right.

  • therese
    April 7, 2008 3:25 p.m.

    I have recently finished Carolyn Jessop's memoir titled ESCAPE. I heartily recommend it to anyone who thinks that religious rights have been violated.
    Human rights of women, their children and men who are judged "unworthy" by the FLDS hierarchy are the real issue here! I was shocked at the depth and extent of the brainwashing this cult has perpetrated against its members. This case is much more complex than is being represented in the news reports.

  • ImHereIncognito
    April 7, 2008 3:12 p.m.

    I am absolutely appalled at the lack of indignation and uproar from the public for Protective Services of Texas, acting on an obviously anonymous complaint, going in and detaining a whole town! How can one unsubstantiated complaint result in the detention of 401 children from various families? How can this be tolerated? Where is the American Civil Liberties Union and their attorneys, or are they truly as misnamed as we have all heard? How does that saying go? They came for the Fundamentalists, but I was not one, so I held my peace. Then they came for the Jews, but I was not Jewish, so I did nothing. And then they came for me. It also concerns me that one bus I saw hauling off the people of this community said First Baptist Church. After seeing the level of Bigotry they are capable of, and their contemptuous disdain for other religions, some even calling the Catholic Church a "Cult", it is difficult to believe this is not religious persecution. Our constitution is supposed to protect us from this kind of government procedures. However, if we all remain silent, there will be no protection for any of us!

  • Long
    April 7, 2008 3:11 p.m.

    THEY HAVE NOT FOUND THE SIXTEEN YEAR OLD GIRL? what if there was not even a phone call! what if this is just a reasen to see inside the Ranch? I just hope people stand up. people in the united states. this Question's all of our Religous Right's!

  • Split emotions
    April 7, 2008 2:46 p.m.

    Given the long history these communes have had for child abuse, I can see the concern about abuse in this case. But is it truly necessary to gather up over 200 women - many adults - in such a case? Where does this search warrant end? I don't support the FLDS, but I am concerned with government overreach in this case.

  • Angered
    April 7, 2008 2:52 p.m.

    Sad that only one reporter was really demanding answers from those two stooges at the press conference. He was the only one pointing out the travesty of justice that this situation is. 401 children were all abused?!!

    The fathers are being confined without warrant or arrest, the children have been taken without merit. And most troubling was there was absolutely no transparency from the two at the press conference. We the people demand answers and all we got was, "I can't disclose that information at this time."

    How is it that the fathers that are supposed to be these violent abusers of children showed virtually no resistance to their children being ripped from their arms? Isn't abuse about control? I applaud those fathers for keeping their cool, I know I certainly wouldn't.

  • Zieg Heil!
    April 7, 2008 2:46 p.m.

    Watching mothers and children being led away by law enforcement reminds me of one thing: the gestapo in Nazi Germany.

  • Travesty
    April 7, 2008 2:24 p.m.

    This is starting to look more and more like a travesty of justice.

    Why are they taking every single child away?

    They still haven't produced the complaining witness. This is just a misuse of power, pure and simple.

  • Questioner
    April 7, 2008 2:05 p.m.

    They have no guns or weapons, and they are cooperating well with authorities...this doesn't sound like criminals to me. The pictures that I have seen show some bright and healthy children, nothing indicating abuse in any way.