Federal judge in Hawaii puts Trump travel ban on hold

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  • fight4liberty Herriman, UT
    March 17, 2017 12:45 p.m.

    @bob, you say "We need more native Arabic speakers that can counter IS propaganda, new loyal American citizens, on our side. Where will we get these people if immigrants are cut off?"

    How many thousands or millions of muslims in America, who have been here for decades are loyal Americans? How many have 100% assimilated. How many get out and protest ISIS, get on tv and denounce jihad against the infidel Americans? My guess would be less than 1/2%.

    The refugees/immigrants from the middle east have found capitalism is better than the way they lived in their oppressed countries and dessert which they do not want to return to, but wholey believe their idiologies/religions are superior to the Americans.

    You can wish and hope all you want that the muslims will change, but truth being they are very devout to their beliefs, unlike Americans who have decided secularisim is the new religion.

  • mcclark Salt Lake City, UT
    March 17, 2017 12:44 p.m.

    I sleep better knowing Trump has surrounded himself with incompetent sycophants. It makes it much harder for him to advance his disgusting agenda.

  • Vermonter Plymouth, MI
    March 17, 2017 12:39 p.m.

    In late 2015, the (Democratic) Governor of Hawaii said that Hawaii has taken in zero refugees from Syria in the past 10 years. He also said he expects zero Syrians to be resettled in Hawaii going forward.

    Perhaps Judge Watson can convince the hard-hearted Governor Ige to take the refugees (most of them from Iran) that are currently held by Australia on Manus Island.

    Remember that President Obama agreed to take these refugees since the Aussies don't want them. This was, of course, the subject of the "rude" phone call Trump had with the Australian PM, when the Australian PM surprised Trump with the news of the deal Obama negotiated shortly before leaving office. Of course, the Obama people conveniently forgot to tell the Trump people about that deal.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    March 17, 2017 11:10 a.m.

    Politicians justify decisions, by saying:

    * we're doing this for the poor
    * we're doing this for the children
    * we want safe bridges and roads

    Will these leaders take responsibility for their actions on refugees.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    March 17, 2017 7:55 a.m.

    @Harrison

    ...another section of the law clearly bans discrimination against certain classes.
    Section 202(a)(1)(A) of the INA states that except in cases specified by Congress in section 101(a)(27):
    …no person shall receive any preference or priority or be discriminated against in the issuance of an immigrant visa because of the person’s race, sex, nationality, place of birth, or place of residence.

    While section 212 grants the president a general power to exclude certain immigrants, section 202 limits this power. Note that this section does not prevent discrimination based on religious affiliation, political belief, or ideology, but Trump’s new policy would run afoul of at least one if not all three of those last three restrictions—nationality, place of birth, or place of residence—depending on how it was applied.

    That's why they're judges, they understand the"Whole" law and how it is, or is not, constitutional, but if you want drop outs on the radio or in alt right news to inform you than you will continue to be misled.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    March 17, 2017 7:35 a.m.

    @harrison
    Congress abdicating thier authority to the president with regards to immigration does not mean the President has the authority to violate the Constitution. Luckily we still have an independent judiciary that understands that much unchecked authority vested in one person would not only unconstitutional but very dangerious.

  • Harrison Bergeron Holladay , UT
    March 16, 2017 11:53 p.m.

    Tolstoy: "When laws or executive orders may present a violation of the constitution then it is the duty of the court tohear [sic] such cases and render a ruling to resolve the conflict."

    Agreed. If only they would follow the constitution and the law. They have completely abandoned both.

    The constitution does not afford any protections to foreign nationals in other countries.
    And Congress has vested ALL authority over immigration with the executive branch. From the Immigration and Nationality Act section 212:

    "(f) Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate."

    What this means is that Donald Trump could in fact legally ban all Muslims who are not US citizens from entering the United States. You could call it mean or bigoted or irrational. But it would be LEGAL.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    March 16, 2017 10:12 p.m.

    I find it interesting that the same conservatives that clammer about states right suddenly get angry when states assert thier rights. With regards to this issue the states have been able to prove in several courts of law that Trumps orders causes them a harm and Trumps lawyers have. failed time and again to provide proof that the ban serves a vital national security interest that would justify such a harm.
    This is where conservatives really seem to struggle. They tend to be effective at public rheotoric but struggle to provide actual evidance in a court of law to back up thier policy positions. Instead of blaming judges maybe they should insure thier arguments are supported by the facts.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    March 16, 2017 9:28 p.m.

    @Harrison Bergeron

    When laws or executive orders may present a violation of the constitution then it is the duty of the court tohear such cases and render a ruling to resolve the conflict. The administrations inability the make its case that the ban serves a vital national security interest rather then being based upon on animus against a single religion which is a violation of the constitution is not the judge fault. Perhaps if Trump had bothered to understand the legal ramifications of his numerious comments during the election he would have chosen his words
    more carefully.

  • Harrison Bergeron Holladay , UT
    March 16, 2017 7:08 p.m.

    I know how liberals will react to this. But everyone else should be really concerned about how overtly political so much of the judiciary has become. They are not even bringing up relevant case law in these situations. They are simply taking over the foreign policy of the United States - which by all rational argument is vested to the executive branch of government.

    If we do nothing, our republic will become an oligarchy of judges.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    March 16, 2017 2:41 p.m.

    @BPositive

    if you took the time to understand the state's arguments rather then simply make disparaging remarks you would know that the reason they filed this case is because banning immigrants cause them problem so they were focusing own their own problems.

  • UtahTroutStalker Draper, UT
    March 16, 2017 2:09 p.m.

    @RRB - SLC, UT

    "Significant and unrebutted evidence of playing politics.

    The Democrats could care less when Obama banned Iraq and Carter banned Iran, but we know that. Right now with no majority in the Supreme Court it would be impossible to get it overturned. "

    Ok, I will give a rebuttal. In both instances those were single countries, and in both instances neither Carter nor Obama claimed they would have a total ban on all Muslims before doing it.

    Neither of those bans had anything to do with people being Muslim. For Iran, they had just attacked our embassy and held our State department staff hostage.

    I could see him banning travel from Lybia. All of this is clouded by the fact that Trump could not keep his big mouth in check on the campaign trail. Now it is coming back to bite him.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    March 16, 2017 12:15 p.m.

    Hey Rikitikitavi -

    RE: "Hope it's not your child who gets kidnapped and hauled off into slavery or your wife who gets hit by a repeat drunk offender."

    Well, if we can keep Trump supporters tied down, that probably won't happen.

    Hey Bpositive -

    RE: "Graduating from Punahou does not mean that Hawaii has to agree with everything President Obama did. He was a massive failure on virtually every front. "

    Ha! It's easy to tell you're a Republican and an avid Trump supporter.

    . . . You're projecting again.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    March 16, 2017 11:57 a.m.

    Bombs and bans have never proven effective. Ghandi won with peace and kindness. trump will lose with violence.

  • Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    March 16, 2017 9:54 a.m.

    Banning muslims will not make us safer. There is no such thing as total safety, Trump snowflakes. The rest of us will help you get over your fear of muslims and "others".
    Xenophobia will not save you. Adherence to the principles in our Constitution will make us prosperous, shredding the Constitution by banning a religious group will make us the target of the world.
    This country already had an excellent vetting process that is reasonable and effective.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    March 16, 2017 8:44 a.m.

    The Judge and his State will be attacked on his back-round in mean Trump cult fashion.

  • BPositive South Jordan, UT
    March 16, 2017 8:06 a.m.

    Dear Hawaii residents,

    Graduating from Punahou does not mean that Hawaii has to agree with everything President Obama did. He was a massive failure on virtually every front. Hawaii is just another poorly run democratic state. Clean up your homeless situation, cut the grass at your high schools, clean up the Alawai canal and focus on your own problems.

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    March 16, 2017 7:57 a.m.

    Justice prevails, too bad that Trump said all those things during the campaign, and now his own words are being used against him. There is some justice in this world.

    You Trump fans can whine all you want about politics and bad judges but, you are wrong, your guy and his mouthpieces made comments about a Muslim Ban over and over, then made a thinly veiled attempt and renaming it, and smarter minds prevailed.

    Go ahead and fantasize about getting attacked so you can rationalize you fear, but reality is, this Ban did nothing to protect Americans.

  • Bob67 Glenn Dale, MD
    March 16, 2017 12:07 a.m.

    President Trump worked the crowd at his rally in Nashville in his usual angry fashion.

    America will not defeat jihadists by whipping up xenophobia in our population, but by infiltrating and influencing their population. We need more native Arabic speakers that can counter IS propaganda, new loyal American citizens, on our side. Where will we get these people if immigrants are cut off?

    American freedom and opportunity have been turning immigrants into valuable citizens for hundreds of years. Let's keep it going!

  • Rikitikitavi Cardston, Alberta
    March 15, 2017 11:55 p.m.

    Just waiting for un-vetted fake refugees who are radicalized, coming to American with the intent to do harm to Americans. Hope it's not your child who gets kidnapped and hauled off into slavery or your wife who gets hit by a repeat drunk offender.

  • RRB SLC, UT
    March 15, 2017 11:04 p.m.

    Significant and unrebutted evidence of playing politics.

    The Democrats could care less when Obama banned Iraq and Carter banned Iran, but we know that. Right now with no majority in the Supreme Court it would be impossible to get it overturned.

    It could lead to a greater resentment against all refugees, and that would be wrong. It looks like France will follow Britain, this will just make it worse.