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Confederate flag flies next to NCAA arena in South Carolina

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  • jjjdsd CENTERVILLE, UT
    March 20, 2017 11:56 p.m.

    South Carolina seceded from the union December 20, 1860, Charleston Harbor was part of the state of South Carolina. As was Fort Moultrie. Following secession South Carolina demanded the U.S. Army abandon Charleston Harbor. On 26 Dec 1860, Major Anderson of the U.S. Army moved his command from Fort Moultrie on Sullivan's Island to Fort Sumter. By failing to vacate the island fort, Union troops were effectively occupying South Carolina’s territory. April 12–14, 1861, was the bombardment of Fort Sumter near Charleston, South Carolina by the Confederate States Army. An attempt by U.S. President Buchanan to reinforce and resupply Anderson at Fort Sumter, using the unarmed merchant ship Star of the West which failed, when it was fired upon by shore batteries on 9 January 1861.
    So it appears the Union Troops were attempting to control a strategic position they had taken control of after the secession. Sounds like the first incursion into the Southern states in my opinion. Interesting note, no one on either side was killed in the bombardment.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    March 20, 2017 11:11 p.m.

    The civil war was about currency, and Europeans controling our banks.

  • libs think what??? Salt Lake City, UT
    March 20, 2017 10:47 p.m.

    how easily liberals forget that it was democrats who started the fivil war.

    jsf
    no, the union did not invade first. South Carolinians fired on Ft Sumpter to start the war.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    March 20, 2017 8:48 p.m.

    For all of you who think the civil war was primarily about slavery, rather than states' rights, you do realize the Emancipation Proclamation by Lincoln only freed slaves in the Confederacy, not in the Union.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    March 20, 2017 3:47 p.m.

    "Really? Yes, there was amnesty for the rank and file soldiers, but there was absolutely trials and charges of Treason. Just look up Jefferson Davis." You better look again about Davis, he was indicted, held in a prison, but never had a trial.
    So my statement remains true, there were never any trials for treason. Not Davis not anyone else.

    See how easy it is for liberal progressives to rewrite history.

    One of the reasons it never went to trial, the federalists were afraid if it went to trial secession might be found to be a valid option for independent states to maintain their independent Sovereignty.

    Most people don't look past their elementary US history book to understand what really was going on in a complex interaction between states. Secession was an ongoing debate in many states from the first Articles of Confederation of 1781 through and after the Civil War. It is still a background argument in on going political policies in various states.

  • SIMPLICITY Denver, CO
    March 20, 2017 12:21 p.m.

    Fly that flag with honor and pride!!

  • worf McAllen, TX
    March 20, 2017 11:57 a.m.

    Slavery has not been abolished. It's been disguised.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    March 20, 2017 11:49 a.m.

    @at long last - so evidently I am one of the uneducated masses that needs enlightenment about the noble cause of confederacy. Explain to me the justification of how it is a states right to determine that a person can be transformed into another persons property? Do you hold that states should have that right? That a state could take one of your children, and determine that they no longer have any civil rights, and that child could be sold off to the highest bidder? You believe that to be a states right?

    Because that is what they were fighting for. If it was otherwise, please enlighten me.

    I have relatives that died fighting for the confederacy. I honor their sacrifice, and their loyalty. But I will never stand there and say any state or government has he right to convert people into someone else's property.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    March 20, 2017 11:47 a.m.

    What really upsets liberals is the Democrat forming KKK and racist southerners hijacked the stars and bars to foment their rabid racist positions.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    March 20, 2017 11:43 a.m.

    " If there was treason why then were there no trials for treason."

    Really? Yes, there was amnesty for the rank and file soldiers, but there was absolutely trials and charges of Treason. Just look up Jefferson Davis.

    Amnesty does not mean there was no offense. Just as there was amnesty for illegal immigrants in this nation several times, that doesn't mean these people were not here illegally to start with. again, it is this false history that keep being perpetuated that people build false narratives against. To say the victorious Union side did not see the confederacy as a treasonous act... that is a wild rewrite of history.

    It is only because of the wishes of Lincoln before his death that there were not mass trials. He was dedicated to seeing the nation bound together again, and didn't see decades of trials as being conducive to reaching that end.

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    March 20, 2017 11:31 a.m.

    @Unrepentant Progressive:
    "Oh, fly that horrific symbol. But expect universal condemnation."

    How progressive is it to look over a cultural divide and to condemn them for being different? I am progressive. I think that cultural diversity is a pretty good thing and I have learned from other cultures that had practices way more abhorrent than slavery.

    @Ginger Marshall
    "Treason. That was the southern passion. The confederate flag stands for treason. Nothing more, nothing less."

    After the Civil War there was a group in congress that wanted to punish the South for their treason. They were called the "Radical Republicans". History does not look very well on them.

    I have a friend from Georgia. He has the drawl and he is always whistling Dixie - the Southern national anthem. He is Buddhist, his wife is Thai and his half-Thai/ half-white daughter does not speak English.

    By this standard, because he is whistling Dixie that he is some closet racist from the Jim Crow era. That is incredible.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    March 20, 2017 11:23 a.m.

    "armed rebellion against the legitimate federal authority "

    It was the Union Army that invaded the southern states first, The invasion had nothing to do with the intent to abolish slavery. It was an economic foray to protect the Northern states sources for cotton and other raw materials. Slavery was a Union protected institution in a few of the Northern states during the Civil War. Lincoln originally only freed slaves in areas held by the Confederacy. They allowed it to continue in southern areas the union held to maintain a supply of cotton for Northern mills.

    Slavery only officially ended in the North after the Civil War had ended.

    As for displaying the bars and stares, where is the outrage for black nationalists marching with their flag calling for an independent black only state? Where is the indignation when Jorge Ramos calls for Hispanics to take back American states and illegal and legal, La Raza activists displaying the national flag of Mexico?

  • thesob Goleta, CA
    March 20, 2017 11:15 a.m.

    Where were all the protest during the "Dukes of Hazard" or when Lynyrd Skynyrd used to tour the nation (both with the confererate flag proudly displayed). There were none because the flag did not represent racism. What changed. Someone on the left recently decided it did represent racism, so here we are.
    Can a American Indian be proud of there heritage, even though they "Lost"?
    Can a Muslim be proud of who they are, without endorsing ISIS?
    The ignorance here is from those who can't see that flying this flag does not mean they endorse racism.

  • omahahusker Modesto, CA
    March 20, 2017 11:10 a.m.

    My answer to this, it seems immature to fly the Confederate Flag. It just incites a lot of anger to a failed way of life and en-slavement. It's time to move on.

    Next, why are the comments of another poster allowed when they are so off topic. It's made to sound as if Pres. Trump told a bunch of "good ole boys" from the South to hoist the Confederate battle flag. It's simply not true and the poster offers no proof of such. DN needs to do a better job of screening off topic comments.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    March 20, 2017 11:05 a.m.

    "Treason. That was the southern passion. The confederate flag stands for treason. Nothing more, nothing less."

    Not quite. The flag stands for loyalty to the state, and that is what many southerners died for. If there was treason why then were there no trials for treason. Why did many of those Southern generals serve in the Spanish American wars for the United States.

    The United States did not punish these people after the war, yet today we act like bigots with a hate for any thing Southern. We label them with all kinds of hate filled terms. While ignoring the slavery in the northern states.

    Today we have many liberals claiming the current POTUS as not a legitimate president even though he was constitutionally elected. Yet I don't hear you telling us they are treasonous. A few liberals in California, and other liberal states have called for secession from the US but I don't hear any liberal calling them traitors. Why not?

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    March 20, 2017 11:00 a.m.

    65TossPowerTrap

    You are right. Whoever flew this flag has a right to free speech, however offensive.

    However, it is entirely within the rights of all the rest of us to condemn this symbol as offensive to the notion "that all men are created equal", that slavery was inherently evil, that armed rebellion against the legitimate federal authority is appropriate and that flying that flag desecrates the hundreds of thousands who died and suffered during this Civil War to save the nation and abolish slavery.

    Oh, fly that horrific symbol. But expect universal condemnation.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    March 20, 2017 10:16 a.m.

    This flag represents men making more money than women. Ban it.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    March 20, 2017 9:01 a.m.

    The war that killed more Americans than any other, by far. Few Americans really know civil war history and the pain inflicted on millions. The South try to secede from the union to keep slavery in tact. Those that fly the flag or honor what it represents will always be with us. Ignorance never dies it just takes different forms.

  • GingerMarshall Brooklyn, OH
    March 20, 2017 8:45 a.m.

    @at long last...: "The Confederate battle flag is a proud flag that at one time stirred the positive passions of much of the country."

    Treason. That was the southern passion. The confederate flag stands for treason. Nothing more, nothing less.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    March 20, 2017 8:42 a.m.

    I guess if burning the American flag is constitutionally protected - displaying a Confederate should be protected as well.

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    March 20, 2017 8:02 a.m.

    Apparently, racism is alive and well.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    March 20, 2017 7:57 a.m.

    "It seems the media rules this country while controlling our political leaders. Except Trump."
    ...trump is known to watch and react to an enormous amount of television. Except it's not media, it's fox.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    March 20, 2017 7:54 a.m.

    The Confederate battle flag is a proud flag that at one time stirred the positive passions of much of the country. Well, the Confederacy lost and the winners make the rules and establish the history - regardless of what actually happened. Now the uneducated and racially motivated use the battle flag as a simple symbol of racism - both sides do an injustice to the millions who supported states' rights in a valiant but losing fight. It is sad to see political correctness corrode our history.

  • Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    March 20, 2017 7:23 a.m.

    Worf: "It seems the media rules this country while controlling our political leaders. Except Trump."

    This is actually the first president to be literally controlled by the media.

    Where do you think he got the cockamamie idea that obama was wiretapping him?

    Trump even told everybody during his press conference to blame Fox for that.

    He's so weak he can't even take responsibility for his tweets.

  • Common sense conservative Herriman, UT
    March 20, 2017 7:09 a.m.

    So...since you won't let men use the women's restroom, I'm going to protest by flying a flag which symbolizes blacks being enslaved and breaking apart the United States. That makes sense.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    March 20, 2017 6:27 a.m.

    If these people choose to put on full display for all to see their feelings of being against the union, that they choose not to be part of America, and prefer succession from the nation.... that is fine. It is probably better they let all know how they feel about the Union.

    Many claim it is just about "southern pride".... but what these people are showing pride in is a chapter in American history where leaders choose treason and to go to war against their neighbor in belief it is the state's right to decided who is a person, and who is not. That it is the states right to decide certain classes of "people" are no more that livestock to be traded, bartered and sold as if they were cattle.

    By flying that flag, this is what they choose to be proud of, believe in, and support. And I think it is good that they publicly pronounce those beliefs so all may know.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    March 20, 2017 12:34 a.m.

    The media will try to convince people, this is discrimination.

    It seems the media rules this country while controlling our political leaders. Except Trump.

  • Bob67 Glenn Dale, MD
    March 19, 2017 7:59 p.m.

    Flying the flag from the garage roof could suggest support for Dylann Roof. I doubt they intended that.

    In Maryland, at the Talbot County courthouse lawn in Easton, there is a battle of monuments. On one side, a monument to the "Talbot boys", erected in the early 1900s, has the names of Confederate veterans from Talbot County. On the other side, more recently erected, is a bronze statue of Frederick Douglass, with his contributions to the anti-slavery effort noted. The grass grows quietly between them.

    After 150 years, civil war wounds have healed in Maryland, but the South Carolina massacre is still too fresh to be flying a flag dishonored by a racist killer.