South Carolina seceded from the union December 20, 1860, Charleston Harbor was
part of the state of South Carolina. As was Fort Moultrie. Following secession
South Carolina demanded the U.S. Army abandon Charleston Harbor. On 26 Dec 1860,
Major Anderson of the U.S. Army moved his command from Fort Moultrie on
Sullivan's Island to Fort Sumter. By failing to vacate the island fort,
Union troops were effectively occupying South Carolina’s territory. April
12–14, 1861, was the bombardment of Fort Sumter near Charleston, South
Carolina by the Confederate States Army. An attempt by U.S. President Buchanan
to reinforce and resupply Anderson at Fort Sumter, using the unarmed merchant
ship Star of the West which failed, when it was fired upon by shore batteries on
9 January 1861.So it appears the Union Troops were attempting to control a
strategic position they had taken control of after the secession. Sounds like
the first incursion into the Southern states in my opinion. Interesting note,
no one on either side was killed in the bombardment.
The civil war was about currency, and Europeans controling our banks.
how easily liberals forget that it was democrats who started the fivil war.jsfno, the union did not invade first. South Carolinians fired on
Ft Sumpter to start the war.
For all of you who think the civil war was primarily about slavery, rather than
states' rights, you do realize the Emancipation Proclamation by Lincoln
only freed slaves in the Confederacy, not in the Union.
"Really? Yes, there was amnesty for the rank and file soldiers, but there
was absolutely trials and charges of Treason. Just look up Jefferson Davis."
You better look again about Davis, he was indicted, held in a prison, but never
had a trial. So my statement remains true, there were never any trials
for treason. Not Davis not anyone else. See how easy it is for
liberal progressives to rewrite history. One of the reasons it
never went to trial, the federalists were afraid if it went to trial secession
might be found to be a valid option for independent states to maintain their
independent Sovereignty. Most people don't look past their
elementary US history book to understand what really was going on in a complex
interaction between states. Secession was an ongoing debate in many states from
the first Articles of Confederation of 1781 through and after the Civil War.
It is still a background argument in on going political policies in various
Fly that flag with honor and pride!!
Slavery has not been abolished. It's been disguised.
@at long last - so evidently I am one of the uneducated masses that needs
enlightenment about the noble cause of confederacy. Explain to me the
justification of how it is a states right to determine that a person can be
transformed into another persons property? Do you hold that states should have
that right? That a state could take one of your children, and determine that
they no longer have any civil rights, and that child could be sold off to the
highest bidder? You believe that to be a states right?Because that
is what they were fighting for. If it was otherwise, please enlighten me.I have relatives that died fighting for the confederacy. I honor their
sacrifice, and their loyalty. But I will never stand there and say any state or
government has he right to convert people into someone else's property.
What really upsets liberals is the Democrat forming KKK and racist southerners
hijacked the stars and bars to foment their rabid racist positions.
" If there was treason why then were there no trials for treason."Really? Yes, there was amnesty for the rank and file soldiers, but
there was absolutely trials and charges of Treason. Just look up Jefferson
Davis. Amnesty does not mean there was no offense. Just as there
was amnesty for illegal immigrants in this nation several times, that
doesn't mean these people were not here illegally to start with. again, it
is this false history that keep being perpetuated that people build false
narratives against. To say the victorious Union side did not see the
confederacy as a treasonous act... that is a wild rewrite of history.It is only because of the wishes of Lincoln before his death that there were
not mass trials. He was dedicated to seeing the nation bound together again,
and didn't see decades of trials as being conducive to reaching that end.
@Unrepentant Progressive:"Oh, fly that horrific symbol. But expect
universal condemnation."How progressive is it to look over a
cultural divide and to condemn them for being different? I am progressive. I
think that cultural diversity is a pretty good thing and I have learned from
other cultures that had practices way more abhorrent than slavery.@Ginger Marshall"Treason. That was the southern passion. The
confederate flag stands for treason. Nothing more, nothing less."After the Civil War there was a group in congress that wanted to punish the
South for their treason. They were called the "Radical Republicans".
History does not look very well on them.I have a friend from
Georgia. He has the drawl and he is always whistling Dixie - the Southern
national anthem. He is Buddhist, his wife is Thai and his half-Thai/ half-white
daughter does not speak English.By this standard, because he is
whistling Dixie that he is some closet racist from the Jim Crow era. That is
"armed rebellion against the legitimate federal authority "It was the Union Army that invaded the southern states first, The invasion
had nothing to do with the intent to abolish slavery. It was an economic foray
to protect the Northern states sources for cotton and other raw materials.
Slavery was a Union protected institution in a few of the Northern states during
the Civil War. Lincoln originally only freed slaves in areas held by the
Confederacy. They allowed it to continue in southern areas the union held to
maintain a supply of cotton for Northern mills. Slavery only
officially ended in the North after the Civil War had ended.As for
displaying the bars and stares, where is the outrage for black nationalists
marching with their flag calling for an independent black only state? Where is
the indignation when Jorge Ramos calls for Hispanics to take back American
states and illegal and legal, La Raza activists displaying the national flag of
Where were all the protest during the "Dukes of Hazard" or when Lynyrd
Skynyrd used to tour the nation (both with the confererate flag proudly
displayed). There were none because the flag did not represent racism. What
changed. Someone on the left recently decided it did represent racism, so here
we are.Can a American Indian be proud of there heritage, even though they
"Lost"?Can a Muslim be proud of who they are, without endorsing
ISIS?The ignorance here is from those who can't see that flying this
flag does not mean they endorse racism.
My answer to this, it seems immature to fly the Confederate Flag. It just
incites a lot of anger to a failed way of life and en-slavement. It's time
to move on.Next, why are the comments of another poster allowed when
they are so off topic. It's made to sound as if Pres. Trump told a bunch of
"good ole boys" from the South to hoist the Confederate battle flag.
It's simply not true and the poster offers no proof of such. DN needs to do
a better job of screening off topic comments.
"Treason. That was the southern passion. The confederate flag stands for
treason. Nothing more, nothing less."Not quite. The flag stands
for loyalty to the state, and that is what many southerners died for. If there
was treason why then were there no trials for treason. Why did many of those
Southern generals serve in the Spanish American wars for the United States. The United States did not punish these people after the war, yet today
we act like bigots with a hate for any thing Southern. We label them with all
kinds of hate filled terms. While ignoring the slavery in the northern states.
Today we have many liberals claiming the current POTUS as not a
legitimate president even though he was constitutionally elected. Yet I
don't hear you telling us they are treasonous. A few liberals in
California, and other liberal states have called for secession from the US but I
don't hear any liberal calling them traitors. Why not?
65TossPowerTrapYou are right. Whoever flew this flag has a right to
free speech, however offensive.However, it is entirely within the
rights of all the rest of us to condemn this symbol as offensive to the notion
"that all men are created equal", that slavery was inherently evil, that
armed rebellion against the legitimate federal authority is appropriate and
that flying that flag desecrates the hundreds of thousands who died and suffered
during this Civil War to save the nation and abolish slavery.Oh, fly
that horrific symbol. But expect universal condemnation.
This flag represents men making more money than women. Ban it.
The war that killed more Americans than any other, by far. Few Americans really
know civil war history and the pain inflicted on millions. The South try to
secede from the union to keep slavery in tact. Those that fly the flag or honor
what it represents will always be with us. Ignorance never dies it just takes
@at long last...: "The Confederate battle flag is a proud flag that at one
time stirred the positive passions of much of the country."Treason. That was the southern passion. The confederate flag stands for
treason. Nothing more, nothing less.
I guess if burning the American flag is constitutionally protected - displaying
a Confederate should be protected as well.
Apparently, racism is alive and well.
"It seems the media rules this country while controlling our political
leaders. Except Trump."...trump is known to watch and react to an
enormous amount of television. Except it's not media, it's fox.
The Confederate battle flag is a proud flag that at one time stirred the
positive passions of much of the country. Well, the Confederacy lost and the
winners make the rules and establish the history - regardless of what actually
happened. Now the uneducated and racially motivated use the battle flag as a
simple symbol of racism - both sides do an injustice to the millions who
supported states' rights in a valiant but losing fight. It is sad to see
political correctness corrode our history.
Worf: "It seems the media rules this country while controlling our
political leaders. Except Trump."This is actually the first
president to be literally controlled by the media.Where do you think
he got the cockamamie idea that obama was wiretapping him?Trump even
told everybody during his press conference to blame Fox for that. He's so weak he can't even take responsibility for his tweets.
So...since you won't let men use the women's restroom, I'm going
to protest by flying a flag which symbolizes blacks being enslaved and breaking
apart the United States. That makes sense.
If these people choose to put on full display for all to see their feelings of
being against the union, that they choose not to be part of America, and prefer
succession from the nation.... that is fine. It is probably better they let all
know how they feel about the Union. Many claim it is just about
"southern pride".... but what these people are showing pride in is a
chapter in American history where leaders choose treason and to go to war
against their neighbor in belief it is the state's right to decided who is
a person, and who is not. That it is the states right to decide certain classes
of "people" are no more that livestock to be traded, bartered and sold
as if they were cattle. By flying that flag, this is what they
choose to be proud of, believe in, and support. And I think it is good that
they publicly pronounce those beliefs so all may know.
The media will try to convince people, this is discrimination.It
seems the media rules this country while controlling our political leaders.
Flying the flag from the garage roof could suggest support for Dylann Roof. I
doubt they intended that.In Maryland, at the Talbot County
courthouse lawn in Easton, there is a battle of monuments. On one side, a
monument to the "Talbot boys", erected in the early 1900s, has the names
of Confederate veterans from Talbot County. On the other side, more recently
erected, is a bronze statue of Frederick Douglass, with his contributions to the
anti-slavery effort noted. The grass grows quietly between them.After 150 years, civil war wounds have healed in Maryland, but the South
Carolina massacre is still too fresh to be flying a flag dishonored by a racist