Russian-American lobbyist says he was in Trump son's meeting

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  • scrappy do DRAPER, UT
    July 17, 2017 12:24 p.m.

    The leftist agenda... Throw it out there no matter what... The left wing media in this country is a joke

  • Queen of Hearts Phoenix, AZ
    July 15, 2017 4:29 p.m.

    fight4liberty - Herriman, UT
    July 14, 2017 11:59 a.m.

    "The propaganda machine from the left is alive and well! "

    Well, when you only watch Fox and listen to talking head wingnuts for your information, you naturally assume a Left-Wing conspiracy. You get your opinions and prejudices reinforced and go away a happy camper. Nothing bothers a Right-Wing partisan zealot more than news that contradicts his/her preconceived thoughts. Call it "propaganda" like Donald Trump calls it "fake news", but just because you don't like it doesn't make it false.

    How easily conservatives forget. Do you remember David Segretti and Richard Nixon? What about Lee Atwater and Ronald Reagan? And what about Karl Rove and George W. Bush? Can you recognize Republican propagandists and media manipulation?

    Democrats do it too, but they are not as sophisticated as Republicans in the black arts of politics. Remember Nixon's Southern strategy coming off the 1964 Civil Rights Acts and 1965 Voting Rights Act? The South switched from Blue to Red.

    But Donald Trump is a first in his class. He is the first to reach out to a hostile foreign nation for assistance. Even Nixon and Reagan would find that intolerable.

  • Daedalus, Stephen ARVADA, CO
    July 15, 2017 11:56 a.m.

    @worf: "A person is innocent until proven guilty"

    A voluntarily confession squanders most if not all of the benefits afforded by the innocent-until-proven-guilty presumption.

    Don Jr. may have admitted to all the elements required to prove a violation of 52 U.S.C. 30121. This law prohibits a campaign from soliciting a "thing of value" from a foreign national, or a foreign national contributing a "thing of value" to a campaign.

    Opposition research costs money to conduct, and those sunk costs represent "value" regardless of whether or not a campaign ever puts it to use.

    Don Jr. agreed to the proposed meeting on the premise that the Russian lawyer had some opposition research to share. By itself, this likely qualifies as his soliciting a "thing of value" from a foreign national in violation of 52 U.S.C. 30121.

    As more details emerge, it appears the Russian lawyer brought with her written material and left it behind. That likely qualifies as a contribution of a "thing of value" from a foreign national in violation of 52 U.S.C. 30121.

    Continuing to defend or enable Trump requires normalizing criminality...a terrible but well-deserved legacy for the Republican party.

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    July 15, 2017 9:39 a.m.

    @ Vermonter

    "If actual lawbreaking by the Trump Administration is ever uncovered, one would hope politics would give way to morality and ethics."

    You got it backwards. Morality and ethics have been completely steamrolled by Trump's politics and the politics of the Republican party. Those politics are the equivalent of moral rot.

    Some people are pretty good at making excuses for moral rot.

  • Cheshire Cat Bronx, NY
    July 15, 2017 9:26 a.m.

    worf - McAllen, TX
    July 14, 2017 7:25 p.m.
    Open Minded Mormon,

    "Absolutely no proof of Trump/Russian collusion. Even if it did happen, there's no law against it."

    Did you not read the email from Don Jr.? Even the testimony, however obtuse, from the Russian lawyer/agent (she was constantly in contact with the state prosecutor in Russia) said that Don Jr. was excited about getting damaging information on Hillary Clinton. Only the most die-hard Trump apologist would refuse to acknowledge these facts.

    But that is not really the case since you have previously lauded the possibility of collusion to get Donald Trump elected. Don't excuse the collaboration because you say "there's no law against it". This is Trump talk. He pushes the bounds and argues that there is nothing to stop him. It doesn't matter. He has no moral compass. He just wants to "win" however much damage he creates in people's lives.

    You need to turn off Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity and look at the picture that is developing. The Trump campaign actively sought help from the Russian government to defeat Hillary Clinton to the point of possibly providing them with voter information to micro-target American voters.

  • Mad Hatter Provo, UT
    July 15, 2017 9:10 a.m.

    worf - McAllen, TX
    July 15, 2017 12:03 a.m.

    "Many folks are blind, if they don't think Democrats play dirty. They had many collusions of their own. They underestimated Trump."

    Flash: politics is a messy and dirty business. That's why people don't particularly trust a politician nor want to be involved in politics. It can suck the moral fiber out of a person. Your comment is disingenuous because you think Democrats are innately evil while Republicans remain pure. That is a contradiction that only the most naÏve believe.

    Collusion: "secret or illegal cooperation or conspiracy, especially in order to cheat or deceive others."

    Can you provide examples? Watching Fox & Friends is not the best way to get your information. Fox has become the propaganda arm of the White House. Sean Hannity is an opinion provider. He has absolute no experience in legitimate journalism. Also, trying to protect DJT and his family regarding collusion with Russia to win an election is the issue here. Any reference to Democrats is irrelevant. One cannot go rob a bank and say the other guy also robbed a bank as a defense.

    Queen of Hearts accurately got your number. Being an apologist for Trump must be hard.

  • Vermonter Plymouth, MI
    July 15, 2017 2:05 a.m.

    @unrepentant.
    Funny how, as things change the more they stay the same. Just turned upside down. Most millennials who have not studied history do not remember.

    In the 80s, it was said that Republicans (Reagan) wanted war with Russia, and Democrats wanted peace with Russia. Yet, Reagan won the Cold War without ever firing a shot.

    In the 90s, a president actually broke the law (perjury under oath). Republicans argued ethics and morals had gone out the window. Democrats defended their team's leader despite the lawbreaking, by saying we did not want to overturn an election over perjury about such a trivial thing like personal relationships.

    If actual lawbreaking by the Trump Administration is ever uncovered, one would hope politics would give way to morality and ethics. But, I'm not holding my breath.

  • Queen of Hearts Phoenix, AZ
    July 15, 2017 1:10 a.m.

    prelax - Murray, UT
    July 14, 2017 5:28 p.m.

    "The DNC had more of an impact than the Russians, they actually succeeded in getting Bernie to lose."

    Bernie Sander's wasn't a Democrat. Perhaps that is why the DNC were not all that enthusiastic about his candidacy. In the same vein, The Republican Party was not all that enthusiastic about Donald Trump.

    However, with Bernie, we did not have a hostile foreign entity collaborating to defeat him and elect Hillary. The DNC is an American institution. Having a foreign power interfere in our elections is a violation and a cause for great concern. Understand the nuance.

    worf - McAllen, TX
    July 14, 2017 7:25 p.m.

    "Absolutely no proof of Trump/Russian collusion. Even if it did happen, there's no law against it."

    Robert Mueller's investigation will decide. However, from previous comments you have made, it is clear that you will go to the mat for DJT. You've stated that you welcomed any help Russia could give to help Trump win, and perhaps you didn't care who were the players to help including Iran and North Korea. As long as Trump became president, you didn't care how it came to it. Nonetheless, there is a moral issue to consider.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    July 15, 2017 12:03 a.m.

    Many folks are blind, if they don't think Democrats play dirty. They had many collusions of their own.

    They underestimated Trump.

  • Thimk Preston, ID
    July 14, 2017 11:27 p.m.

    In my view, it's time for conservatives to express frustration with this family/administration, and demand his ouster. How many outrages must we tolerate before someone says, "Enough!" A mistake was made. Let's fix it!

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    July 14, 2017 8:40 p.m.

    Some have said (in effect), so what if the Russians conspired to get Trump elected. It is not illegal is it?

    Well, that just goes to show us all what these people are really about. Winning at any cost. Ethics down the sewer. Power at any price. Personality and Party over Country. Dominance over others is the absolute goal. And the absolute assumption that Trump'ers are the only ones in possession of truth.

    When we have allowed such as these to have the dominant voice in our governance, we don't deserve our Constitution or our Liberty. We deserve to be slaves to such people.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    July 14, 2017 7:25 p.m.

    Open Minded Mormon,

    In the America I remember. A person is innocent until proven guilty.

    Absolutely no proof of Trump/Russian collusion. Even if it did happen, there's no law against it.

    The Pied Piper has the dogs barking up the wrong tree.

  • prelax Murray, UT
    July 14, 2017 5:28 p.m.

    The DNC had more of an impact than the Russians, they actually succeeded in getting Bernie to lose.

    Next time be smart, destroy all emails like Hillary.

  • Jim Chee Ka'anapali, HI
    July 14, 2017 4:35 p.m.

    fight4liberty - Herriman, UT
    July 14, 2017 12:48 p.m.

    "The Progressives in both parties agree. "

    FYI

    There are no progressives in the Republican Party. That all ended in the 70s when George Romney ran for president and came out in opposition to the Vietnam War. That was the end of the liberal wing. A loyalty litmus test has been applied and slowly moderates were being expunged.

    The Republican Party is a conservative party with a sprinkling of moderates. No progressives. All the former liberal Republicans have become independents. Now with Donald Trump, some conservative Republicans like George Will and Joe Scarborough have become independents also. Trump is remaking the Republican Party as a conservative, white supremacist party without a moral core. William F. Buckley (not to mention Ronald Reagan) would find his old party unfamiliar and corrupt.

    Those who support Trump with the hope of getting their agenda approved have compromised their moral and ethical standards to increase the economic disparity in the nation and re-establish the racial hostility that has been the stain on America. And they do this as Trump stages a hostile takeover for his financial benefit.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    July 14, 2017 3:53 p.m.

    RE: "He told the AP he served in the Soviet military in a unit that was part of counterintelligence but was never formally trained as a spy."

    Well, what do you expect?

    Would a Russian spy freely admit he's a spy?

    The guy sounds like a spy to me.

    Hey Worf -

    RE: "The past election was influenced by dishonest behavior. Not Russians."

    Well, your partly right, but mostly wrong.

    The election was influenced by the dishonest behavior of Russians AND Republicans.

    The Russians ILLEGALLY hacked into emails. And Republicans illegally conspired with Republicans.

    Trump Jr's emails clearly show he colluded with the Russians to weaken Hillary Clinton's campaign. And what about Manafort and Jared Kuchner? Do you think they just went along for the ride?

  • mcclark Salt Lake City, UT
    July 14, 2017 3:38 p.m.

    So now we find out Jr lied again about the meeting that never happened, well yeah it happened but it was just about Orphans, who could complain about a meeting about poor little Orphans, well since the NY Times are about to publish my E Mails that show I knew I was meeting with a representative of a hostile foreign government that wanted to interfere with our election, yeah it happened but just for a few minutes and I promise you Mr Hannity thats it, I swear there is nothing else. And some are delusional enough to buy this nonsense.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    July 14, 2017 3:31 p.m.

    Utah Girl at 1:06 ---- your comment there is one of the BEST I have ever seen!

    Excellent!

  • There You Go Again St George, UT
    July 14, 2017 3:12 p.m.

    Day after day more and more information comes forth about Russia and the reality show hosts campaign.

    The drip, drip, drip will not end as long as the reality show host and his band of dissemblers withhold information.

    Will they ever tell the truth?

    No.

    They have gotten away with dissembling so far...

    Why change the strategy?

  • Vermonter Plymouth, MI
    July 14, 2017 2:53 p.m.

    @Mad Hatter. @Cheshire Cat.
    I appreciate your views and I agree with many of your points. (I am neither a Trump supporter nor Clinton supporter.)

    But, in addition to the legal and ethical issues, this is also politics.

    I am just telling you what is happening on the ground in the Midwest. A not insignificant number of my neighbors and colleagues in Michigan couldn't care less about Russia. And, many of them are former Obama voters. Now, the facts may end up being on the anti-Trump side. But, unless there is better evidence of wrongdoing by Trump's people than we have now, the media and Democrats on the verge of calling for impeachment are just annoying Midwestern swing voters.

    The Democratic Party and the media are in danger of pushing the Midwest (with the exception of Illinois) firmly to the Republican side for the next 4 years and maybe longer. And, without the Midwest, Democrats won't have much power in Washington in the short run. The Democratic Party needs a new political strategy. Current strategy is failing.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    July 14, 2017 2:21 p.m.

    @worf - McAllen, TX
    July 14, 2017 1:39 p.m.

    Why doesn't the Piper sound off on the Lorretta Lynch, and Bill Clinton collusion, or DNC collusion rigging the nomination against Bernie Sanders?

    Turn a blind eye against one, but not the other. Sheesh, and there's no wrong doing with Russians!

    Liberals are so easily tricked!

    =====

    Why?
    Loretta Lynch and Bill Clinton are both Democrats --
    True - Bernie Sanders got railroaded by Democrats.
    and
    Ted Cruz got railroaded by Republicans.

    Interesting thing about those Democrats -- they are AMERICANS.

    Nixon's Watergate was Republicans vs. Democrats as well, and Nixon resigned.

    But --
    Trump's open BEGGING for the Russians to hack,
    now after months of denial Don Jr. emails prove it happened.

    the trouble is --
    Russians are NOT Americans.
    And the Russians worked directly in collusion with a POTUS, his closest staff and family.

    A foreign entity meddling in our elections at the highest level is a breach of National Security.

    Say this was Pre. Hillary Clinton,
    Would you be just as silent and defensive of the Russians?
    careful, that answer reveals a persons honestly and integrity.

    Sheesh, Conservatives are so easily tricked!

  • skeptic Phoenix, AZ
    July 14, 2017 1:45 p.m.

    For those deplorable s who wish for a fascist oligarchy government by the super rich, just stick with Trump and he will give you what you want; but you may find that you won't like it all that much once you have it. Especially if you are a middle class working stiffs or one of the struggling poor. However, if you think you are worth so much more than the rest of world and look down on your neighbor you may find the chains of autocracy comfortable for a time.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    July 14, 2017 1:39 p.m.

    The Pied Piper is tooting his horn, and the liberals keep following.

    Why doesn't the Piper sound off on the Lorretta Lynch, and Bill Clinton collusion, or DNC collusion rigging the nomination against Bernie Sanders?

    Turn a blind eye against one, but not the other. Sheesh, and there's no wrong doing with Russians!

    Liberals are so easily tricked!

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    July 14, 2017 1:34 p.m.

    Russian-American lobbyist says he was in Trump son's meeting

    =======

    In a meeting that the Trumps have insisted never happened,
    with Russians who were never there,
    with 'nothing burger' information to help Donald Trump,
    by not meddled in an American election.

    per the Trump himself,
    and he asked Putin himself, who said 'Nyet' - so it must be true!

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    July 14, 2017 1:30 p.m.

    @fight4liberty:

    Your narrative is not just horrendously wrong, it's potentially extremely dangerous, because this seems to set the stage for Trump suspending the Constitution, declaring Congress defunct and begin jailing / exterminating journalists, etc. This is essential a declaration the US needs an authoritarian dictatorship to restore all the coal mining jobs, restore high-paying manufacturing jobs (by force, if necessary) and Make America Great Again(tm), etc.

    Based on everything he's said in the past, this is probably the goal of Steve Bannon, Trump's chief strategist, but in our nation we have the 1st Amendment and a free press, so (hopefully) this scenario doesn't play out.

    There's a distinction between those who voted for Trump, and those who will support Trump no matter what happens.

    We need more of the former to support the Constitutional processes for dealing with a potential rising authoritarian dictator.

  • UtahTroutStalker Draper, UT
    July 14, 2017 1:19 p.m.

    When will decent God loving, American loving members of the GOP step up and say enough is enough?

  • toosmartforyou Kaysville, UT
    July 14, 2017 1:15 p.m.

    @lia --- Not even.

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    July 14, 2017 1:06 p.m.

    This is from today's Neil Steinberg column in the Chicago Sun-Times:

    "Trump is a problem, but he’s not the problem. He is a symptom. The problem is that 53 million Americans voted for him, and support him still, no matter what. They have created a closed system where contrary information can be shrugged off as 'fake news.' Science is a lie. Courts are dubious if they rule against you.

    "Getting rid of Trump will solve a problem, but not the problem. The problem is people support him and will continue to do so, no matter the cost.

    "We began with a metaphor, let’s end with one.

    "Your doctor says, 'I have bad news. Look at this X-ray. This blotch is a cancerous tumor on your lung.'

    "You jerk the X-ray away, crumple it into a ball and drop it in the trash.

    'Problem solved,' you say. 'The tumor's gone.'"

  • fight4liberty Herriman, UT
    July 14, 2017 12:48 p.m.

    The Dems prior to Trump taking the Oath, publicly announced that they would do anything to take Trump down and not allow him to finish his term. The Progressives in both parties agree. The Repubs who hold themselves in such high esteem, cannot agree with each other, their plan is working.

    Obama EO repealed the Smith-Mundt and the progressives did the Smith-Mundt Modernization Act, burying it deep in the 2012 NDAA act, has brought the espionage of the US intell agencies to the soil of America!

    Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012 - Amends the United States Information and Educational Exchange Act of 1948, to authorize the Secretary of State and the Broadcasting Board of Governors to provide for the preparation and dissemination of information intended for foreign audiences abroad about the US , its people, its history, and the fed govs policies, through press, publications, radio, motion pictures, the Internet, and other information media, including social media, and through information centers and instructors.

    The Bengazi movie? The current MSM barage of blatant lies, lies of all congressman either party...hmmm.

    Our tax dollars are being wasted by our faux gov.

  • Janet Pete Salt Lake City, UT
    July 14, 2017 12:38 p.m.

    fight4liberty - Herriman, UT
    July 14, 2017 11:59 a.m.

    "The smoke and mirrors to take down Trump and prevent him from functioning as a normal presidency like all POTUS past, is the lefts determination to regain control."

    OK. So you don't believe that the Trump-Russia scandal is a major issue? You think it's a Democrat conspiracy to take down Donald Trump and encumber him with problems unlike any experienced by any previous president? You are a true believer.

    Where were you during the Bill Clinton administration? I won't even ask where you were during the administration of Barack Obama much less George W. Bush. And where do you get the idea that he is being prevented from functioning as a "normal president"?

    First, Trump basks in the light that he is not normal. He's different since he fails to follow traditional protocol in the things he does. He rejects the normal. With a Republican Congress and Republican-leaning Supreme Court, he should be able to get any legislation he proposes approved. Democrats have no power in this government.

    Perhaps you need to contact Trump and tell him to get off the pot and stop tweeting. Then you tell him to stop grandstanding and do some work.

  • Queen of Hearts Phoenix, AZ
    July 14, 2017 12:26 p.m.

    worf - McAllen, TX
    July 14, 2017 10:33 a.m.

    "Liberals didn't care when Obama was influencing elections of foreign countries."

    Is that what you're hearing on Fox & Friends these days? People all over the world are concerned about elections in any country. But only the Russians have been shown to actively seek to manipulate an election by going after computer systems. Yes, there is propaganda to affect people's decisions (much in evidence in our elections when you consider the advent of social media and the micro-targeting of voters, see WSJ story, June 30, 2017).

    There is no equivalence here. Having Vladimir Putin coming out and saying Americans should support Donald Trump is far different from Putin orchestrating a cyber attack on our election system. As for the propaganda and the unwitting agents who spread Russian disinformation during the election, that's a different kettle of fish. People need to be aware that they are being manipulated by hostile forces.

    We don't know where you get your information, but it is obvious you keep yourself inside the Trump bubble. Maybe Trump speaks truth to you, but when he is documented as lying 70% of the time, have some skepticism.

  • fatenews Lehi, UT
    July 14, 2017 12:15 p.m.

    Never in the field of human politics was so much lying told to so many by so few. That few are Trump Sr. and Jr. And whereas Pinocchio's nose gets longer with lying, Trump's hands get smaller.

  • Cheshire Cat Bronx, NY
    July 14, 2017 12:11 p.m.

    Vermonter - Plymouth, MI
    July 14, 2017 9:48 a.m.

    " . . . because of the constant Russia drumbeat, a new "red wall" is beginning to appear in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, and other parts of the Midwest."

    The Trump supporters who voted for Donald Trump made their decision based on what he promised on the domestic front: jobs, a Muslim ban, building a Great Wall on our southern border, defeating ISIS, and keeping us out of war. They considered Russian interference in our election a hoax and considered themselves patriotic Americans wanting a clean-up of Washington, D.C.

    The "drumbeat" you mention is a evolving scandal with supporting evidence that a hostile, foreign entity interfered in our presidential elections. We are beginning to see attempts at manipulation and an effect by altered people's minds through a concerted propaganda effort. The Russians attempted multiple ways to sway the election in favor of Donald Trump.

    The collusion story isn't going away. Americans don't like interference in our elections. But along with this is the financial relationship that Trump has had with the Russians for over 30 years and it affects his dealings with Russia achieving its goals.

  • Frank K Phoenix, AZ
    July 14, 2017 12:05 p.m.

    I stand against Russian intervention in the US as much as I'm against US intervention in Venezuela. Let's tell Marco Rubio that money for uprising and a regime change in Venezuela is wrong as it is Russian trying to influence elections in the US. 'Peace is the respect for the rights of others' : Benito Juarez.

  • Mad Hatter Provo, UT
    July 14, 2017 11:59 a.m.

    Vermonter - Plymouth, MI
    July 14, 2017 9:48 a.m.

    "Enthusiastic Trump supporters in the Midwest that voted for Obama twice are really quite bored . . . "

    Beside the fact that Trump supporters are being told this is all "nothing", they are not being told how this impacts them. If they are not concerned about having their elections manipulated by a hostile foreign entity as long as they get their candidate elected, that's one thing. If they don't believe in democracy and freedom as long as they keep their comfort levels intact, that's the same.

    However, yielding the world and making it open season for the spread of Russian influence, it becomes very different. As Trump acquiesces to Russian demands, it creates a dangerous world which will come back to bite them hard. Remember, Russia is the partner/ally of some very dangerous characters: North Korea, Iran, Syria, China and other authoritarian regimes. Putting the U.S. in a position of degrading influence creates instability in the world and can lead to war. North Korea with the backing of Russia and China could cause havoc on the Korean peninsula. Syria could again become a major threat to Israel. And Iran will be nuclear in weeks.

  • fight4liberty Herriman, UT
    July 14, 2017 11:59 a.m.

    The propaganda machine from the left is alive and well!

    While America’s best brainwashing material was previously broadcast only overseas for the pleasure of foreign audiences, a provision in the Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012 (H.R. 5736) removes that restriction, making “available, in the United States, motion pictures, films, video, audio, and other materials prepared for dissemination abroad or disseminated abroad pursuant to this Act.”

    Intended as an update to the post-World War II Smith-Mundt Act of 1948, the bill’s primary sponsors are Representatives Mac Thornberry (R-Texas) and Adam Smith (D-Wash.), all progressives.

    Attached ammendment to NDAA and is quietly passed by Congress and signed by the president, then for the first time in the history of the United States, citizens and residents will be exposed to government-produced propaganda in a manner that would impress even Orwell’s Big Brother.

    The smoke and mirrors to take down Trump and prevent him from functioning as a normal presidency like all POTUS past, is the lefts determination to regain control.

    Only stupidity would be the reason to believe anything in today's media! Let alone either party!

  • H. Bob Salt Lake City, UT
    July 14, 2017 11:56 a.m.

    You know, if I said, "What honest authority or right do we have to tell them to stop?" in regards to illegal immigration, the same poster who wrote those words would excoriate me. Funny how it's only a problem when it's your own ox being gored. But hey, why not just let the Russians take over? Kleptocracy has worked out so well for all those former KGB guys who just happened to be in the right place with small private armies at the right time when all those state-owned industries all went "up for sale." It'll take a few tweaks to work here, I'm sure, but hey, why not? It's not like Joe Sixpack is going to miss a democratically elected government, right?

  • DarthMaul Vernal, UT
    July 14, 2017 11:53 a.m.

    No one could be trusted anymore within the establishment special interest circle no matter which political party the politicians belongs to. Let us face it, once a person set foot inside the Whitehouse or on the Senate floor, the powerful special interest crowd is already lassoing him or her. We may think or even believe that a certain someone just might make a certain unique first in history because of the skin color, or the first outsider who would drain the swamp in Washington but the truth behind the big game will forever remain the slot machines, controlled by the powerful special interest crowd here at home and globally. God help us all.

  • Jim Chee Ka'anapali, HI
    July 14, 2017 11:46 a.m.

    HaHaHaHa - Othello, WA
    July 14, 2017 10:46 a.m.

    "Trump derangement syndrome continues."

    So the Donald Trump lovefest continues in these threads. It doesn't matter what Trump says or does, his apologists will rally to the cause. First, the whole thing was a hoax, and the wingnut media launched a concerted attack to distract from the developing scandal. Then they said no meeting too place and it was all Democrat sour grapes.

    Then they admitted that the Russians tried to interfere in our election, but it was Barack Obama's fault for not stopping it. When evidence started being made available about a meeting, the story was it was a "nothing burger" and a big disappointment. There were numerous other excuses. Was a Russian lawyer also a Russian agent? It can't be collusion because nothing was obtained of "value".

    Then Don Jr., released the emails indicating that he was promised damaging evidence on Hillary Clinton, he was excited to get it, but nothing came of the meeting. However, we now learn than another Russia-connected individual was present. So, what exactly went on in that meeting? No one is telling the truth. The true believers are holding fast as the ship is listing.

  • mcclark Salt Lake City, UT
    July 14, 2017 11:39 a.m.

    I find it amazing that everyone is not up in arms about Jr meeting with representatives of a hostile foreign government that stated it wanted to interfere with our election. It should not matter to you if you lean left or lean right this is wrong wrong wrong. But Hillary-----but Obama----but but but. This is about our current occupant of the White House, nobody else.

  • Lia Sandy, UT
    July 14, 2017 11:29 a.m.

    Hey---myopians...like those in McAllen, Tx-

    Obama is out of play here.

    Clinton is gone, and not an issue.

    What we ARE having to deal with, sadly, is a disgusting republican presence which is doomed to sink this nation, not make it great. We are in the midst of suffering the most dangerous and embarrassing presidency ever.
    Wake up and stay current.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    July 14, 2017 11:23 a.m.

    @HAHAHAetc "Pretty sure the russians have been trying to sabotage and mess with our elections for decades. What honest authority or right do we have to tell them to stop?"

    Violates the UN charter.

    The change of attitude toward Russia by you guys on the right leaves me thoroughly stumped. You used to hate Russia, but now it can do no wrong.

    Though I am a socialist and have always believed the Cold War had two authors, I have never trusted the Russians, but you guys on the right do, completely?

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    July 14, 2017 11:11 a.m.

    Nonsensical Republican conspiracy theories that Democrats set this up? Stop deflecting from the criminal activity of the most corrupt administration ever.

  • HaHaHaHa Othello, WA
    July 14, 2017 10:46 a.m.

    Trump derangement syndrome continues. It's getting worse and it's getting funnier out there.
    Can it get any more ridicules? I'm becoming more and more convinced that the President creates and throws all these things out there just to distract and see how much he can play with the haters. Funny to see how much the slobbering press will lap up and swallow when it comes to acting on their hate for this president. There isn't one of them who wouldn't sell their first born, just to break an anti-Trump story...whether its true on not-true.

    Pretty sure the russians have been trying to sabotage and mess with our elections for decades. What honest authority or right do we have to tell them to stop? It' s kind of like telling a bear to not do its "business" in the forest. Of course we can tell them anything we want to, but were not going to stop them. It's their nature. We just need to learn how to counter and deal with it. Pretty sure we do our own share of underhanded and sneaky things to. At least we better be!

  • worf McAllen, TX
    July 14, 2017 10:33 a.m.

    Wow!

    Liberals didn't care when Obama was influencing elections of foreign countries.

    The past election was influenced by dishonest behavior. Not Russians.

  • Lia Sandy, UT
    July 14, 2017 10:29 a.m.

    @Open Minded-

    In order for the Trump republicans to have completely lost their moral compass,
    they must first have POSSESSED a moral compass. They did not.

    Morals and the Trump republicans should never be mentioned in the same sentence.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    July 14, 2017 10:29 a.m.

    The unnamed Russian just slipped in and was not noticed? He and the Kremlin will deny everything. Secret agents usually do not announce that they are agents. There was also a "translator" that was not checked out. Thanks to the media for starting to bring out the truth.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    July 14, 2017 10:24 a.m.

    The straws are starting to stress the camel.

  • Susan Storm Sandy, UT
    July 14, 2017 10:07 a.m.

    Either way, Russian interference with our elections is wrong.

    Country over party.

  • Vermonter Plymouth, MI
    July 14, 2017 9:48 a.m.

    Enthusiastic Trump supporters in the Midwest that voted for Obama twice are really quite bored (and becoming a little annoyed) with the constant drumbeat of Russia allegations. Right or wrong, these swing voters perceive that the Trump people aren't doing anything the Clinton and Obama people did years ago. They believe the new ethical bar was established at a lower level by the Clintons and Obamas years ago.

    Democrats need the Midwestern "blue wall" to reappear in order for them to reassert their national political power. The Russia narrative is doing nothing for the Democrats. It is just "red meat" for the hard-core Democratic base.

    Rather, because of the constant Russia drumbeat, a new "red wall" is beginning to appear in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, and other parts of the Midwest. Democrats and their allies need to drop the Russia thing, and wait for a genuine Trump scandal, which is sure to appear sometime in Trump's first term. Then, they can get back in the game. Democrats don't even need to be the loyal opposition. They just need to bide their time.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    July 14, 2017 9:42 a.m.

    "And yet the fact that the lawyer's entrance to the United States was due to special arrangement by AJ Lynch is nowhere to be found. It is the very same lawyer (Russian agent) was captured on a photo behind a democratic hearing in congress - hang tight, we will learn more about what this lawyer was doing with the democrats prior to the meeting with Jr."

    May we see some documented source for those claims?

    That sounds like more Fake News from Right Wing Conspiracy Websites. Please cite your sources so we may check them out.

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    July 14, 2017 9:39 a.m.

    t702 keeps claiming that: "And yet the fact that the lawyer's entrance to the United States was due to special arrangement by AJ Lynch is nowhere to be found."

    Here you are, since looking into what you heard on the radio must be too difficult...

    Veselnitskaya was permitted to enter the country by then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch, who granted her a 'special immigration parole' so that she could adequately defend a client under criminal investigation.

    At the time, Veselnitskaya was representing a Russian businessman, Denis Katsyv, who was being investigated by the Justice Department for alleged money laundering.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    July 14, 2017 9:27 a.m.

    The plot sickens.

    But we also need to be aware that perhaps some of this nonsense is deliberate. Deliberate distraction by Donald to draw our attention away from what other elves are doing in his secret shop of horrors. Things like quietly working in the shadows of these brightly lit distractions to secretly dismantle consumer protections, environmental safeguards, policies that will further enrich the most wealthy and impoverish the rest of us.

    Could this all be part of a deliberate plot of deceit?

    Donald is an evil genius. Are we allowing him to win?

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    July 14, 2017 9:26 a.m.

    OK, time for our DAILY smell test --

    What if this was a President Hillary Clinton?
    Would the right-wing be crying foul and squealing like stuck pigs?

    p.u. yes -- it stinks.

    Party ahead of Principles.
    The Trump republicans have completely lost their moral compass.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    July 14, 2017 9:12 a.m.

    Are Trumpsters getting tired of all this winning?

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    July 14, 2017 8:55 a.m.

    Trump in his campaign called Ms Clinton "dirty Hillary" because the Clinton Foundation accepted donations from Saudi Arabia - saying that doing so would include the requirement of quid pro quo later on.

    Ironically the Trump campaign didn't see the same conflict of interest in seeking intelligence from Russia on Hillary. That some how his campaign would not later on need to repay the favor.

    The fact that from the campaign trail at that very same week Trump claimed he was about to give a "very important speech" on the evils of the Clintons - which later never happened - proves he thought he was going to be getting intelligence from the Russians.

    To pretend the dots don't connect somehow is a bit hard to imagine - but there are those who choose not to see what is evident to a lot of people. Is what was done illegal - not very sure about that. But that it happened, there is little doubt.

    The precedent that US campaigns may now reach out to foreign governments for intelligence on their competitors - that sets a new bar that I am not sure anyone should be comfortable with - regardless of its legality.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    July 14, 2017 8:32 a.m.

    So how many years has Trump been president?

  • t702 Las Vegas, NV
    July 14, 2017 8:31 a.m.

    And yet the fact that the lawyer's entrance to the United States was due to special arrangement by AJ Lynch is nowhere to be found. It is the very same lawyer (Russian agent) was captured on a photo behind a democratic hearing in congress - hang tight, we will learn more about what this lawyer was doing with the democrats prior to the meeting with Jr.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    July 14, 2017 8:14 a.m.

    The plot thickens, and the dishonesty of the Trump crowd is reaffirmed.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    July 14, 2017 8:04 a.m.

    A never ending river of lies.

    Couple years ago I had an interesting conversation with a lady at the doctor's office. She cited that her biggest complaint with Obama was he is a liar. She made it absolutele clear that she detested a liar.

    I often wonder how she is doing today?