BYU's season ends with NIT 105-89 blowout loss to UT Arlington

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  • AT Elk River, MN
    March 19, 2017 12:39 p.m.

    How could BYU be behind the entire game but, "Trailing by seven at halftime, UT Arlington didn’t wear down in the second half."

  • SurpriseCat Surprise, AZ
    March 18, 2017 10:01 a.m.

    Reading the comments from both Utah and BYU fans after both teams lost in the firs round of the NIT (!) is possibly the most absurd thing I've ever seen. You're arguing over which program is closer to being able to claim, "We're number 85!" for this season.

    Guys and gals, what's next? You want to fight over which of you is the skinniest kid at fat camp?

  • CaliCougar American Fork, UT
    March 18, 2017 12:21 a.m.

    Deep Blue,

    "Haws and Emery need to learn that they can't shoot NBA 3's so much. They are hurting the flow of the game by launching their long range shots."

    You left the last sentence out of my above comment on the 3's taken by Haws and Emery.

    I realize the season shooting percentages by both players. I don't think they tell the whole story however. BYU played three P5 conference teams this year (USC, Illinois and Colorado) plus two other strong programs (Gonzaga twice and SMC three times). I would argue that these teams have better athletes and play better defense than the remaining teams BYU played. In these games Haws shot 40% from beyond the arc and Emery shot 23.5%. While Haws kept his percentage in line with his seasonal average, Emery wasn't close.

    While there is no statistic kept on shooting percentages when these guys shoot NBA range 3's, which they do, I would argue that their shooting percentages drop considerably. I say this because I attend all the home games and watch as many away games as are available in my cable package.

    I stand by my comment, particularly as it relates to Emery.

  • logical Meridian, ID
    March 17, 2017 10:34 a.m.

    Did many people (fans) expected BYU to play well? What was the attendance? ESPN said 7K. In a 22K stadium in the middle of the semester? Who really thought they would win. The attendance says it all.
    This team came together for one game this season. The rest of the time was just.... Offense is exciting to watch, but really, Rose, you can't win with a bunch of street ballers and no team. I think the team is doing exactly what Rose is coaching them to do, run and gun offense.

  • Grumpy33 , 00
    March 16, 2017 10:05 p.m.

    If you want a coaching change, do what Idablu said, make Haws accountable for his careless ball handling and make him shooting guard after getting a true point guard. If that happened, Daddy Haws would have a minor stroke and Rose's job in the same breath. Haws is going nowhere. Daddy Haws owns BYU basketball. He is the true coach, but in the stands. I think he knows his son is not up to the skill level of other players, but he HAS to start regardless. This might be a source of contention and jealousy on the team, preventing them from being all they can be.

    I agree, get Haws out of his starting role, make him a shooting guard instead of a point guard. Bring him off the bench now and then. But that will never, never happen.

  • blue & white Boise, ID
    March 16, 2017 9:45 p.m.

    Too many injuries, players leaving, and a young team made a disappointing season. But some key wins helped to overcome total disappointment. Look at the good. Time to regroup and bring in players that will challenge all starters and maybe some of the starters will become backups.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    March 16, 2017 6:08 p.m.

    CaliCoug

    "Haws and Emery need to learn that they can't shoot NBA 3's so much."

    Haws made 40.4% of his 3s this year, as a true Freshman, passing Jimmer's Senior year for 5th best in a season (minimum 70 3s). Haws was 4-9 last night.

    Emery was 2nd on the team at 37.1%. Emery was 3-7 last night.

    Haws and Emery aren't the problem. It's the complete lack of scoring from BYU's bench that is BYU's biggest problem to solve for next season.

    That, and better defense.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    March 16, 2017 4:57 p.m.

    Jello is Good

    Do you know what gives me the right to disagree with your assessment of Rose's performance?

    My church donations as well as my donations to the Cougar Club and finally the money I pay for game tickets.

    I've been a fan of BYU basketball since before BYU won the 1966 NIT Championship - in fact, I used to own a program signed for me personally by every member of that team.

    Rose doesn't coach one of the most stalwart defenses in the country, but his offense, when clicking, rivals any offense in the country in production and excitement.

    Rose is the same coach who would have lead BYU to the Final Four and possibly a national championship, if BYU's post-season hadn't been derailed by the Davies suspension.

    I'm completely confident that if Rose can keep his core group of players together - Mika, Emery, Haws, Bryant, and Childs - and can get more production from his bench, the Cougars will have a very good chance of challenging Gonzaga for the WCC championship next season.

    BYU fans who are clamoring for Rose's head, need to take a step back and realize that BYU could do a whole lot worse - look no further than the nose dive Utah's program took after Majerus left.

  • phantomblade Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 16, 2017 4:39 p.m.

    Jello

    "BYU has had young teams before, but none in the 40 years I have been watching Y basketball has made me as frustrated as this team."

    BYU has never had a starting lineup that consisted entirely of Freshmen and Sophomores, yet BYU's 22-12 record this year (Rose's worst), exceeds the records 38 of the 56 teams (68%) coached by Watts to Cleveland.

    As Bluecoug said, BYU fans with short-term memories, have gotten spoiled with 20 win seasons.

  • Michael Lloyd Jr. Spanish Fork, UT
    March 16, 2017 4:24 p.m.

    Sanity....over and over and over....

    By the way coach Rose, for the sanity of the fans would you mind yelling at a player once in awhile? Maybe when they just basically hand the ball to the opponent, walk three steps with the ball to put an elbow into the face of the defender (Emery last night), or launch 30 footers with a hand in their face, or wave to an offensive player as he streaks by for a basket?

    Don't yell at Beo though. He looks very soft and fragile.

    It's just hard watching the same mistakes over and over and over and over.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    March 16, 2017 4:07 p.m.

    @Jello
    "As to the "high road", it's a valley thus by definition there are not too many "high roads". There is the straight and narrow path with the iron rod next to it. We always take that one."

    Good one! That gave me a pretty good chuckle. I really like your perspective.

    As for me,...I feel relieved that I have been finally put out of my misery over this very frustrating team.
    I doubt Rose is ready to leave, nor likely to be fired. But next year will be no different (definitely not better), and he risks replacement, unless he is willing to make some drastic changes:
    1. Clean house with his coaching staff and get someone who is a proven defensive guru.
    2. Stop his love affair with Haws and make him accountable for his carelessness with the ball and his utter disregard for defense.
    3. Give up on Haws as a 1 and work him in as a shooting guard AFTER #2 (above) has been accomplished.
    4. Get a real, proven point guard NOW.

    More experience is not going to save next season. That is clearly evident by the fact this team, except for the aberration at Gonzaga, did NOT improve by the end of the season. There needs to be wholesale changes in coaching philosophy to turn this ship around.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    March 16, 2017 4:00 p.m.

    wise-sage

    "BYU is a lock for 20 wins every year because of the easy preseason and playing in the WCC."

    Half of the Dave Rose era was spent in the MWC, where Rose had an even better record than he's had so far in the WCC.

    You only assume that 20 wins are a lock because Rose's teams have been so consistent that you've come to expect it.

    If 20+ win seasons is so "easy", then why has no other coach in BYU history even come close to recording 12-straight 20+ win seasons.

    Coach - 20+ win streak / best season / worst season
    Watts - 2 straight / 28-9 / 8-17
    Potter - 0 straight / 19-7 / 11-15
    Arnold - 3 straight / 25-7 / 12-14
    Andersen - 2 straight / 26-6 / 14-15
    Reid - 6 straight / 25-7 / 1-25
    Cleveland - 2 straight / 24-9 / 9-21
    Rose - 12 straight / 32-5 / 22-12

    Unlike every one of his BYU predecessors since 1950, Rose has never had a losing season.

    And let's not forget, Rose is 12-6 versus Utah, including 11 of the last 15, with three 20+ point blowouts. He's 7-1 versus the Utes in the Marriott Center, with the lone loss, a 4-point nail-biter during Utah's best season during the Dave Rose era.

  • Michael Lloyd Jr. Spanish Fork, UT
    March 16, 2017 3:25 p.m.

    ACCOUNTABILITY AND FANTASY

    If Coach Dave Rose thinks the huge problem with this team is youth and the coaching is just fine then he is delusional and not much will change.

    By the time he can't use youth as an excuse Mika will be in the NBA and they will be "young" again.

  • Wise-sage pleasant grove, UT
    March 16, 2017 3:11 p.m.

    @ Blue Coug:
    "Some BYU fans have become spoiled by the regularity with which Rose pumps out 20+ win seasons."
    BYU is a lock for 20 wins every year because of the easy preseason and playing in the WCC. Did this team improve during the year?? Even though they were young they had a lot of playing time so that's not an excuse. Do you watch other teams offences, then watch ours? Same thing with our defense. We have the talent and yes some guards take bad shots but in almost every occasion its with a defender in their face they good and talented. Compare that to the open shots we let every team have. Imagine if the mindset was pass first, instead of dribbling till you get in trouble? Yes that's called coaching.

  • Grumpy33 , 00
    March 16, 2017 3:04 p.m.

    More questions:
    1) Does Coach Rose have any retirement plans?
    2) Is there an administrative job he could get with BYU, kind of like Cleveland?
    3) Mendenhall left, Sitaki came in and had a decent first year. This next one looks like it could be even better. Mendenhall left for a better job. Could Rose be enticed to just leave? We don't care how, as long as he left; like someone earlier said, going, going, gone. Should that happen might it be possible to get a real coach that could and would teach the players something and maybe would not be intimidated by the father of one of the LP2 and bring the other LP2 under control.
    4) Does Mr. Holmoe care anything about the BB program or is he strictly the AD for football and just lets the rest of the program alone?
    5) Does anyone in administration at BYU care about the direction the BB program is going?
    6) Are they all blinded by the cheap 20 win seasons?

    I have said before and I will say it again. If you keep on doing what you have been doing, you are going to keep on getting what you have been getting. If you do not like what you have been getting, you have to change what you have been doing. Hint: get a new BB coach

  • SUNNY ALL DAY St George, UT
    March 16, 2017 2:25 p.m.

    A team from the Sun Belt puts up 105 points, on byu, at byu.
    The game is televised on ESPN2 so that few could miss it..
    That kind of exposure is priceless.
    I love Coach rose.
    I hope he continues to coach/emphasize defense, at byu, for decades.

  • CV Storm Hyrum, UT
    March 16, 2017 2:20 p.m.

    Amazingly there are double the number of posts on this article than the Utes loss. So either the Cougar fans are more passionate than Utah fans and dwell on their losses and post on them more often than the Ute fans do. Or the Ute fans like to bag on the Cougs more than the BYU fans bag on the UTES. In either case this was a loss that the Cougars are going to continue to suffer every year as long as they continue to play undisciplined basketball. To win in basketball you really only have to do two things. Win the rebound battle and make your foul shots. If you happen to have less turnovers than the other team that helps also. Notice I did not say run and gun basketball, I said undisciplined. There are many teams that are run and gun and play very sound basketball, the Cougs not so much. Get some defense.

  • Grumpy33 , 00
    March 16, 2017 2:14 p.m.

    I'm wondering about a few things.
    1) when UTA scores 50 points in the paint doesn't the thought cross Rose's mind to fill up the middle with some beef like Dastrup or Kaufusi. Mika cannot do it all by himself. No one else can either.
    2) I saw Emery throw the ball in the direction of the net when he was between half court and the NBA 3-point line and he had a hand in his face. Doesn't that sound like a time for him to get a few splinters?
    3) When BYU has 20 TO's, doesn't it sound like time to make a slight change in the strategy? Oh, I know, Rose and Quinn have no strategy.
    4) Why does everyone criticize LP3? They should criticize LP2 and leave Mika out of it. He is the only one doing a consistently good job.
    5) Does Rose ever read these comments or does he just go golfing after a game? 6) Does Rose even care?
    7) Do any of the players work on their weaknesses after practice or do they just put in their time dribbling around for a few minutes and then throwing the ball at the basket?
    8) Shouldn't the other players take a lead from Mika? He was not happy with his FT % so he worked on it and made it better.
    9) Why doesn't Haws sit when he is ill?

  • Jello is Good ,
    March 16, 2017 1:36 p.m.

    @BlueCoug - Provo, UT
    March 16, 2017 12:37 p.m.

    "Nope, just the reality that you're unwilling to accept because of your hatred of Rose."

    Dude, are you delusional? Nothing in "sports", (entertainment) causes me to "hate" anyone. Dave Rose is a nice man. I have enjoyed many a barbeque with him and his family. But that doesn't stop me from having an opinion on the job he is doing.

    Do you know what gives me the right to complain about his performance? My church donations as well as my donations to the Cougar Club and finally the money I pay for game tickets. It is time for a major change in attitude. BYU has had young teams before, but none in the 40 years I have been watching Y basketball has made me as frustrated as this team.

    I can assure you that frustration is small in nature to things that really matter in life. I would compare it to the frustration when you turn on the light switch only to find out the bulb doesn't work. Not a big deal, you live with it for a while, a finally when it's annoying enough, you take out the bulb that doesn't work and put in what does.

    Is it time to change the light bulb?

  • DraperUteFan Draper, UT
    March 16, 2017 1:25 p.m.

    Any time you give up 105 points in a college game, you can't blame youth and inexperience. 105 points in 40 minutes!

    UTA only scored over 100 points once this season against the doormat of the Sunbelt. BYU has no commitment to defense. Their offense isn't good enough to bail out the terrible defense.

    If you need a good reason to have a coach who focuses on defensive fundamentals, watch the 30 for 30 special about Dave Rose's alma mater, Houston's Phi Slamma Jamma. Great offensive team, but when teams played transition defense against them their offense wasn't good enough.

    Who would have thought that the Utah Jazz would be the basketball highlight in March when basketball season started?

  • TucsonUte Oro Valley, Arizona
    March 16, 2017 1:07 p.m.

    Nothing good to say about the current state of college basketball in Utah. BYU and Utah's 20 win seasons felt more like .500 seasons. USU, WSU, and UVU struggled even though the latter two are still playing CIT and CBI. Looking forward to better days for all of the teams.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    March 16, 2017 1:02 p.m.

    Jello Guy

    You are not even close to the same group I referenced. You are a BYU fan, not a Utah hater. Your comments are generally pretty genuine. Not just a hate filled comment; looking for a reaction/fight. That's the MO of those folks Notice they are no where to be seen when their team loses? There's a name for that but I can't say it.. Have a good one and enjoy the tournament. Peace!

  • TucsonUte Oro Valley, Arizona
    March 16, 2017 12:54 p.m.

    Nothing good to say about the current state of college basketball in Utah. BYU and Utah's 20 win seasons felt more like .500 seasons. USU, WSU, and UVU struggled even though the latter two are still playing CBI. Looking forward to better days for all of the teams.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    March 16, 2017 12:37 p.m.

    Jello is Good

    "That sounds like a lot of excuses followed by rationalization and topped off with a healthy dose of complacency."

    Nope, just the reality that you're unwilling to accept because of your hatred of Rose.

    The maturity of an experienced, well-coached team dominated by Juniors(6) and Seniors(6) was on display last night juxtaposed against a team dominated by Freshmen(6) and Sophomores(4).

    Kaufusi, a backup, bench player, is the ONLY player on BYU's entire roster who started the season with more than a year's experience at BYU, and he didn't join the team until late December, after football season ended.

    The only other upper-classmen - Davis, L.J. Rose, and Guinn - are all transfers, who started the season with only a year's experience, or less, at BYU.

    #341 Kentucky was the only team in KenPom's bottom 25 in experience that was invited to the NCAA.

    For comparison to #338 BYU, see teams with similar player experience:

    #334 Oklahoma(11-20), #336 Penn St(15-18), #337 LSU(10-21), #339 Massachusetts(15-18), #342 Texas(11-22), #345 Iowa(19-14), #347 Washington(9-22), and #348 Oregon St.(5-27)

    Were all of those teams also poorly coached?

    btw, UT Arlington was #13

  • Cool Whip Mexican Hat, UT
    March 16, 2017 11:46 a.m.

    Robyuuki - Lewisburg, PA
    March 16, 2017 10:46 a.m.

    Defense?
    BYU did not loose to the better team. They lost to a healthy team, that played like a team.

    ------------

    This comes up far too often on these DNews boards. UT Arlington was a better team. End of story. BYU got curb stomped.

  • SIMPLICITY Denver, CO
    March 16, 2017 11:46 a.m.

    Embarrassing.... got blown out at home.

    Where is your pride as a man, as a team, as a university??

    LP3 to the moon and beyond...

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    March 16, 2017 11:36 a.m.

    "My observation of BYU basketball this year has been that their team is too occupied with scoring and not defending."

    Well said. I'm not going to call for regime change at BYU simply because I doubt that the waiting list to coach basketball at BYU is very long. However, changes need to be made to the team philosophy and a better meritocracy needs to be established. And above all else - play better (or some) defense!

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    March 16, 2017 11:20 a.m.

    BYU fans,

    After reading all of your posts piling on the Utes yesterday, it's absolute poetic justice that your team would get ripped apart at home by a team from the Sun Belt Conference the following day.

    Karma at its finest.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    March 16, 2017 11:18 a.m.

    Oh, Wisesage, enlighten me as to what are "chess bumps" before the game. I have played chess for 60 plus years and have never heard of "chess bumps". Is it a technical move like "en passant"?

  • Justmythoughts Provo, UT
    March 16, 2017 11:12 a.m.

    BYU allowed 105 points? Did anyone play defense? Good grief.

  • Dave Brarrington Salem, ID
    March 16, 2017 11:08 a.m.

    BYU needs some scoring from someone other than Mika. The shot selection of the LP2 guards is most interesting. BYU needs to recruit someone who can score off the Bench (WOW!!??? last night??!!??!!) Too bad they let Justin Bean get away. He averaged 20-10 his Jr. year and 15-8 his senior year after an ACL injury at the end of his Jr. year (Playing in Oklahoma's largest school classification) . 6'7" shooter who can drive, dunk, defend. Wins the Oklahoma All-Star 3 point shooting contest. Great LDS kid and doesn't even get a look. Sometimes you need to look at your pipeline, and ask if you need another well?

  • Carnak Salt Lake City, UT
    March 16, 2017 10:56 a.m.

    After the total Utah meltdown/fiasco, I needed a "pick me up."

    This was it.

    Loved it.

  • Jello is Good ,
    March 16, 2017 10:53 a.m.

    @BlueCoug - Provo, UT
    March 16, 2017 10:27 a.m.

    "Sure, there have been some disappoints, but overall, Rose has done a remarkable job keeping BYU competitive through the difficulties faced this season. Some BYU fans have become spoiled by the regularity with which Rose pumps out 20+ win seasons."

    That sounds like a lot of excuses followed by rationalization and topped off with a healthy dose of complacency.

    Bottom line if these recruits that are now playing are as good as their rating then Rose is doing a poor job. If Rose is doing the remarkable job you claim he is, then this group is over-rated. You cant have it both ways. Actually you can. This year Rose did a poor job and some of these players are very over-rated.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 16, 2017 10:52 a.m.

    I'm just glad they didn't pair Utah and BYU in a first round NIT match up... it might have gone down as the first time a game couldn't produce a winner to move on to the next round.

  • Robyuuki Lewisburg, PA
    March 16, 2017 10:46 a.m.

    Defense?
    BYU did not loose to the better team. They lost to a healthy team, that played like a team. I am not giving an excuse of illness. Instead, I am saying what I have all year. NO Defense. You cannot continue to collapse the middle and allow the outside to shoot freely, and expect to win. The boys don't move, they don't cover. So teams like UTA and St. M's that can shot from the perimeter when they are not covered, will kill anyone. Un-defended shooting has been BYU's defensive problem all year. That is not a freshman's problem, it is a coaching problem. Just like poor shot selection, and doing nothing to improve it. Look at Duke, they are not afraid to sit their nationally ranked starters that will not get with the program. It is time for BYU to sit / SACK some of their assistant coaches.

  • steve24/7 Sandy, UT
    March 16, 2017 10:29 a.m.

    I didn't get to see the game, only listened on the radio to the 1st half and then a few minutes during the middle of the 2nd half. I'm glad I didn't get to watch it, I might have been throwing stuff at the TV. It sure was depressing hearing UTA get through our "defense" repeatedly for easy layups. After 3 of those in a row at one point Rose called time out and I thought ok now he'll do something to get them focused on stopping those layups. So we inbound the ball and 20 seconds later UTA got another layup going right through our "defense" without any trouble at all. I sure hope we see a ton of improvement next season, can't get much worse than this. Injuries and illness certainly took their toll last night though.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    March 16, 2017 10:27 a.m.

    There's no shame in losing to a better team and the game was much more competitive than the final score suggests. BYU was only down 85-76 with 8 minutes left in the game, before UT Arlington went on a 5-minute, 17-3 scoring surge to put the game away.

    If Rose can keep together his core group of players - Mika, Emery, Haws, Childs, and Bryant - and get better production from his role players, BYU could be a very good team next season.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    March 16, 2017 10:27 a.m.

    Bottom-line:

    BYU started the season with a very inexperienced team, and after losing Senior captain Davis early in the season, had only one returning player with any significant playing experience from last season, a sophomore, as their "veteran" team leader.

    Not only was BYU very inexperienced, #333 in the country, but BYU had to deal with a host injuries to starters. Bryant started the season injured and wasn't healthy enough to play for more than a month. Davis suffered a career ending injury early in the season and BYU's other Senior captain, L.J. Rose, was lost for the season just before the Pepperdine debacle. Bryant was once again lost for the UT Arlington game, and both Haws and Childs were sick.

    Sure, there have been some disappoints, but overall, Rose has done a remarkable job keeping BYU competitive through the difficulties faced this season. Some BYU fans have become spoiled by the regularity with which Rose pumps out 20+ win seasons.

    #44 RPI UT Arlington is a very good team that won the Sun Belt Conference regular season championship and should have been playing in the NCAA tournament.

    The Mavericks are much better than #65 BYU, #71 Boise State, or #82 Utah.

  • Johnny Triumph Ibapah, UT
    March 16, 2017 10:08 a.m.

    Terrible defense + turnovers = loss

    No shock there. I was glad to see the stands well populated, even in a down year the fans support the team. Let's get rolling for next year, work on foot quickness and defense!

  • Jello is Good ,
    March 16, 2017 10:02 a.m.

    @ekute - Layton, UT
    March 16, 2017 9:45 a.m.

    "Jello is Good,

    "emotional safety"?

    Did some feel bads get hurt when the rivalry was cancelled?

    The high road has yet to be taken down in happy valley."

    --------
    That's weak sauce. Kinda like saying, "Oh yeah?"

    As to the "high road", it's a valley thus by definition there are not too many "high roads". There is the straight and narrow path with the iron rod next to it. We always take that one.

  • Wise-sage pleasant grove, UT
    March 16, 2017 9:48 a.m.

    Lets get real, first about trash talking with Ute fan, I said yesterday we would lose, why because UTA passes the ball and can shoot period when they are wide open and we dont know how to play defense. Second we have no offense all the teams in the WCC know that, they coach get back on defense stop the transition layups and let BYUs offenses beat you. Since they don't run an offense every shot taken is a contested shot. Give Rose one year he needs to win 25 games before the playoffs, if not then its a disappointment. Remember he wins 20 games a year cause of our pre-league games and the WCC. If Rose was didn't have pride he would hire a coach from St Marys, Gonzaga or even UTA to teach his coaching staff how to play defense and how to run offenses. Rose has the talent but his #1 assistant coach was the guy that never played but did all the chess bumps before the game.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    March 16, 2017 9:45 a.m.

    Jello is Good,

    "emotional safety"?

    Did some feel bads get hurt when the rivalry was cancelled?

    The high road has yet to be taken down in happy valley.

  • Jello is Good ,
    March 16, 2017 9:45 a.m.

    @Spokane Ute - Spokane, WA
    March 16, 2017 9:23 a.m.

    "Tough way to end the season. One thing that's odd about this thread; many of my friends (so called BYU fans), talkinsports, sportsauthority, Tom in Cal, down under, worf, utenymous, etc; are absent. Now that's curious? That's odd when they had so much to say when Utah lost. "

    Hey Sputie-Utie, I'm here and facing the music, but very disappointed you didn't include me in your group of friends. I thought we were tight.

  • let's roll LEHI, UT
    March 16, 2017 9:44 a.m.

    On defense, play with your left foot forward and center your body on your opponent's right shoulder and they won't be able to drive around you with their dominant (right) hand.

    I was taught that in the 8th grade. Allowed me to stay in front of my man for 4 years.

    BYU defenders play with their feet parallel and center their body on their opponent's navel. As a result no one can keep their man in front of them. They either give up a layup or help comes, leaving others open for dunks or wide open 3s.

    It's happened all year. Poor fundamentals on defense.

    It's silly to blame youth and inexperience if don't teach fundamentals. Next year they'll all be a year older, with a year's more experience practicing bad habits.

    No one should be surprised when the results don't change.

  • Jello is Good ,
    March 16, 2017 9:42 a.m.

    @UteNationAlum - Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 16, 2017 9:12 a.m.

    "I personally would rather lose to a team from the Mountain West by 5, than a team from the Sun Belt by 16...

    I wonder how crow tastes?"

    It all tastes like chicken. But you knew that....

  • az willy San Tan, AZ
    March 16, 2017 9:41 a.m.

    I'm glad Dick Emery got his points, he's a fighter.

  • Jello is Good ,
    March 16, 2017 9:37 a.m.

    @Henry Drummond - San Jose, CA
    March 16, 2017 8:54 a.m.

    @Jello is Good

    LOL!

    It does tend to ruin the trash-talking between Utah and BYU fans when both teams fold like a cheap accordion at the end of the season. See you in the fall for football.

    ----------------

    Peace out brother. Can't wait for the next rendition of coulda, woulda, shoulda. BYU and Utah need each other to be competitive just for the pure sport of trash talk on comment boards. But just like on the field, some are more talented and competitive at it than others and some just take it way too seriously.

  • CH Cougar PLEASANT GROVE, UT
    March 16, 2017 9:33 a.m.

    If you allow the other team to shoot 92% from the field, commit 48 turnovers with 75 points off the turnovers....not going to win many games (I haven't looked at the Box Score--just estimating).

  • Jello is Good ,
    March 16, 2017 9:32 a.m.

    @65TossPowerTrap - Salmon, ID
    March 16, 2017 8:47 a.m.

    "First of all UTA is simply better than BYU. BYU has some real issues to address and need to make some unpopular political decisions. Second of all, I want to apologize to all the ute fans that were obviously traumatized by our tame trash talking yesterday - we just didn't know that you guys had such tender feelings."

    ----------------

    Safety first! Even if it is emotional safety.

  • Jello is Good ,
    March 16, 2017 9:28 a.m.

    @ConradGurch - Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 16, 2017 8:19 a.m.

    "Both sides need to grow up! There are some real 3rd grade spats going on here."

    Dude, you might need to do some of that. This is sports and is for entertainment. Part of the fun is to poke your rival just a little. I threw shade at Utah after their loss knowing full well that we were going to get it handed to us last night and Utah would reciprocate. I'm enjoying myself. You?

  • p e RICHFIELD, UT
    March 16, 2017 9:27 a.m.

    IMNHO, We should respect and honor Coach Rose as a man and for his many accomplishments as our basketball coach.
    We should also recognize (after many years of experience) that he can't consistently prepare his team for important games, that his easy going style of offense and defense will not produce consistent wins against well disciplined teams or even against decent teams. We can see the potential once in awhile but never more than that.
    His recruiting has consistently left BYU without enough quality bigs and his present coaching methods do not produce consistent player or team improvement. We understand that he can't get everyone he would like to have when competing against the best programs in the country but other programs have consistently made more out of the players they get.
    All this adds to a situation that is not likely to allow our men's basketball program to rise above its present level and become relevant on the national scene as long as he is head coach.
    All that said, I can see that there are larger forces at work here and I am willing to continue to suffer with him and cheer him and our team on as long as it takes.

  • Wise-sage pleasant grove, UT
    March 16, 2017 9:26 a.m.

    Our coaches dont know how to coach and/or make adjustments during games. Our zone is so bad that UTA either got a layup or an open 3 yet we kept going back to the zone to mess them up LOL. Teams shoot good against BYU, cause our coaches don't teach players how to be better players and a team concept. Look at our offense and movement compared to UTA's or any team we played, we dribble around other teams pass it around. Rose always blames it on bad luck or the way the ball bounces he never puts blame on himself which means things will always be the same. Why cant our coaches at least watch film and copy other teams offenses or plays?? We have the talent but we don't have the coaches.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    March 16, 2017 9:23 a.m.

    Tough way to end the season. One thing that's odd about this thread; many of my friends (so called BYU fans), talkinsports, sportsauthority, Tom in Cal, down under, worf, utenymous, etc; are absent. Now that's curious? That's odd when they had so much to say when Utah lost.

    Anyway; pretty tough season for both Utah and BYU. Going to the NIT wasn't the worst thing in the world, but laying an egg at home hurts. Football season is just around the corner; and this Guy says' Go Zags!

  • UteNationAlum Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 16, 2017 9:12 a.m.

    I personally would rather lose to a team from the Mountain West by 5, than a team from the Sun Belt by 16...

    I wonder how crow tastes?

  • Virginians for BYU Muncie, IN
    March 16, 2017 9:07 a.m.

    All season long I basically saw the same thing....

    Other teams pass the ball around a few times and find someone so wide open that they could hit the drive through at McDonalds for a mid game snack and still have time to make it back to the court in time to drain a 3 before the BYU defense arrives to contest the shot....

    BYU on the other hand throws up 3's like the are playing a game of horse with Darth Vader and think they can use the force to make the ball go in since they shot it from the Alderaan system with 3 storm troopers in their face....

    Early in the season it was frustrating but I was hoping they would find their groove.... At the end of the season the only grooves were the ones in the road after the wheels came off and the basketball team was dragging iron as everyone else sped away...

    BYU

  • UteTrog Phoenix, AZ
    March 16, 2017 8:59 a.m.

    For everyone saying "Karma"

    My Karma ran over your dogma. I'm sorry.

  • Road Runner Cedar City, UT
    March 16, 2017 8:55 a.m.

    burningblue

    "BYU should be embarrassed. I hope they are. I hope Mika is embarrassed. I hope Nick Emery is embarrassed,..."

    Why the hatred for Mika and Emery? They were the only two BYU players who showed up.

  • Dan Smith Phoenix, AZ
    March 16, 2017 8:54 a.m.

    DraperUteFan

    "Utah loses to its Blue/Orange kryptonite one night and Cougar fans pile on. Utah deserved it as they played terribly down the stretch.

    How satisfying it was then to see a team that has only made it to any postseason play 5 times in their history dominate the Cougars."

    So what your saying is how absolutely exciting it was to see that NOTHING good came from the state of Utah this year. Not in football and not in basketball. So go have fun watching your women's gymnastics while BYU fans watch Rugby and volleyball to get any sense of good teams. Otherwise, this year is the year of the anti-Utah (state of not college) no one was "good" from the state of Utah.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    March 16, 2017 8:54 a.m.

    @Jello is Good

    LOL!

    It does tend to ruin the trash-talking between Utah and BYU fans when both teams fold like a cheap accordion at the end of the season. See you in the fall for football.

  • taylormade1 Springville, UT
    March 16, 2017 8:48 a.m.

    Dave Rose needs to go,go and Gone !

  • H8 Red Centerville, UT
    March 16, 2017 8:47 a.m.

    BYU gives up 105 point to UT Arlington? If this doesn't just smack you across the face about the lack of defense being taught and played at BYU nothing ever will.

    This coach doesn't not or cannot effectively coach defense and really never has. it's been run and gun and usually miss because of poor shot selection,

    We need a new coach. Thanks for time Coach Rose. I for one, would offer the job to Alex Jensen. But I have no idea if he'd be interested at all.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    March 16, 2017 8:47 a.m.

    First of all UTA is simply better than BYU. BYU has some real issues to address and need to make some unpopular political decisions. Second of all, I want to apologize to all the ute fans that were obviously traumatized by our tame trash talking yesterday - we just didn't know that you guys had such tender feelings.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    March 16, 2017 8:42 a.m.

    We have tons of final four talent like we've been say all year long.
    there were a ton of bad ref calls which made us loose.
    bad refs and unfair players by them is why we lost.

  • wwookie Payson, UT
    March 16, 2017 8:34 a.m.

    why wasn't this on the front page of the D-News?
    Utah's defeat was front page news and that was a down-to-the-wire game that could have gone either way.
    This was complete domination by a superior opponent. hmmmm...

    and the excuses were fantastic: so and so missed practice due to illness, so and so wasn't feeling well, some back-up missed the game... really? that's it? hahahahaha.....

  • 2020 Herriman, UT
    March 16, 2017 8:33 a.m.

    @Jello is good
    Just fine. Thanks for asking. Go Utes.

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    March 16, 2017 8:31 a.m.

    Why do people pile on Utah when they lose?

    Simple. Many Utah fans think the Utes are "better" just because of their Conference. They proclaim loudly that teams from "mid-major" conferences are beneath them and can't complete. So, yeah, we laugh when Utah gets bounced from a post-season tournament by one of those "weak, mid-major teams that are so beneath them." So, yeah, we laugh at those delusional fans, not the team.

    Sure, there are a few BYU fans that have the same attitude about teams like UTA. I think most of us, however, were concerned going into this game. We know that you can't take any team lightly. We knew UTA probably deserved an at-large bid to the NCAA Tournament due to their RPI. They didn't get it because, other than St. Mary's, they didn't have really any quality wins. But, they beat St. Mary's, a team BYU couldn't even compete with. So why would we be confident that they would win this NIT match up?

    The disappointment isn't so much the loss, rather how bad it was. The lack of defense this season is bewildering. True, Coach Rose teams have never been known for their defense, but they are usually better than this.

  • HUGSbetterthandrugs Farmington, UT
    March 16, 2017 8:29 a.m.

    Bottom line we were out coached this season and for several seasons. Rose is an absentee coach.

    It is clear by the performance of his teams that he has lost fire and vision.

    Our in game adjustments seem to regularly steps behind the opposing coaching staff's.

    We have talent on this team but they, including Mika, have not been allowed to succeed based on poor game prep and game management. Our team has become predictable and mediocre.

    We honor what Rose has done, but unless he is willing to own and correct his short comings please find a Coach that will 'LaVell' the basketball team and bring us a champion.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    March 16, 2017 8:27 a.m.

    The cougs will peak in the off-season. A path to the ncaa's was plotted even before this game was played. go cougs.

  • CougarCat Tucson, AZ
    March 16, 2017 8:21 a.m.

    The late great radio play-by-play man of the LA Lakers, Chick Hearn, used to have a nearly perfect adjective for the defense I've seen played by the Cougar men in recent years. He called it "Matador defense" - when a defender would make a lunge or just reach an arm in the way of an opponent instead of getting himself in front of him, then jump back to try and avoid the foul call.

    I don't look for any change in outcomes of games at the Marriott Center until the Matador defense stops and real hustle & serious effort to stay between opponent and the bucket begins. If these coaches aren't going to make sure that happens maybe we should find others who will.

  • ConradGurch Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 16, 2017 8:19 a.m.

    Both sides need to grow up! There are some real 3rd grade spats going on here. Also both sides Utah & BYU need to realize that both teams just plain and simple weren't very good. If you combined both teams they still wouldn't have made the tourney!

  • CougarCat Tucson, AZ
    March 16, 2017 8:12 a.m.

    To Cool Whip, Minnesota Ute, xert, Chewbacca and the rest of our Ute friends....

    This Cougar fan did indeed see this loss coming. Based on what I've read here it looks like I'm not the only one. And because of this, many of us did not pile on and gloat about the Boise St. loss, knowing that we could very well be facing the same outcome (or worse) in 24 hours. And worse it turned out to be.

    I for one thought it more likely that the Cougs would be going down last night than your guys on Tuesday. Let's all hope for better things next fall, eh?

  • DevilCoug Mesa, AZ
    March 16, 2017 8:09 a.m.

    Thank goodness the Jazz is repping Utah well.

  • Jello is Good ,
    March 16, 2017 7:59 a.m.

    To all you Ute fans who are addressing emails to all us BYU fans:

    I enjoyed throwing shade at you on your loss. I accept it in return as we played horribly. Isn't sports great? But to put it in perspective, how's your 401k doing?

  • Vermonter Plymouth, MI
    March 16, 2017 7:56 a.m.

    Another takeaway from this season (and in fact a lot of past seasons in football and basketball), despite recent Utah football dominance, BYU and Utah have remarkably similar athletic programs. Every 10 years or so, Utah can get a few really good players to push them to the elites of football and men's basketball. But, by and large most seasons are remarkably similar for BYU and Utah. More evidence this year with both teams bowing out of the NIT in the first round at home against underdog overachievers.

    I know most Cougar and Ute fans hate to hear it. But, it is true.

  • Cool Whip Mexican Hat, UT
    March 16, 2017 7:44 a.m.

    Looks like BYU fans haven't learned the valuable lesson yet:

    Don't count your chickens before they've hatched.

    Total karma from yesterdays classlessness on the Utah article.

    BTW Dnews, why is this article not front page, like Utah's loss was yesterday?

  • thebig1 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 16, 2017 7:43 a.m.

    We would like to welcome Brother David Rose as the new mission president of the ? mission.
    I think this is the only thing that can save the program.
    He won't leave like Bronco

  • Minnesota Ute Bloomington, MN
    March 16, 2017 7:43 a.m.

    To all of the Cougar faithful who were so gleeful after the Utes loss Tuesday night karma can be a -----. Good job UTA!!!

  • Clark W. Griswold Sandy, Utah
    March 16, 2017 7:37 a.m.

    Yesterday Cougie fans were piling on Utah for losing to a mid-major and listed other losses Utah had to them.

    Well BYU can now add losing to UT-Arlington of the Sun Belt Conference to that list of embarrassing losses.

    It's like a I said yesterday. BYU can't beat Utah in football or basketball, so they hide behind teams that can. That is the sad state of BYU athletics.

    Now that the second rate tournament is out of the way. We can shift our focus to the only tournament that matters.

    Let the madness begin! Good luck to everyone on their brackets.

  • soulkracker Kansas City, MO
    March 16, 2017 7:33 a.m.

    After reading all those classy comments after the Utah loss. This was a very enjoyable game to watch. Karma is, exactly what they say it is. Bottom line, both teams displayed a lack of heart in their losses. Won't win many without it...

  • CaliCougar American Fork, UT
    March 16, 2017 7:14 a.m.

    My two cents...

    * I don't think this loss was an upset. UTA is a better team than BYU.
    * I hope BYU figures out that Haws is not the right guy to play the 1. We need to recruit a PG for next year. Someone from either the JC or international ranks that can run an offense, play some defense and think pass first.
    * Mika will be back next year but that will be it. Next year is the year.
    * Dastrup must develop big time in the off season. We need significant minutes from him next year.
    * Haws and Emery need to learn that they can't shoot NBA 3's so much. They are hurting the flow of the game by launching their long range shots.
    * I hope Bryant's knee doesn't become a chronic thing.

    We have a decent nucleus up front with Mika, Childs and Dastrup, and with Haws, Emery and Bryant at the wings. If Beo comes back he can also help on the perimeter. These seven guys really need to work on their games in the off season. The new guy Popoola from Las Vegas, if he still ends up signing with BYU, has game and will also help on the outside. That gives us eight quality guys.

    Coach Rose - Please find a PG.

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    March 16, 2017 7:11 a.m.

    Many Cougar fans gushed like happy schoolchildren on Tuesday evening. I don't think we need to state the reason why. I'm a Ute fan who wishes to give big props to Coach Rose and the Cougars for a fine 22 wins this season. Youth sometimes brings misery, but I think this team will be just fine in the coming seasons.

  • Chewbacca Magna, UT
    March 16, 2017 7:09 a.m.

    To all the cougar fans who dog-piled on Utah's loss,

    Karma!

    To the rest of you. Better luck next year.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    March 16, 2017 7:04 a.m.

    BYU just isn't that good. They went out with a whimper. No heart, it seems.

  • DaveWY Afton, WY
    March 16, 2017 6:59 a.m.

    Tough way to end the season. I have to wonder how things would have gone this season had we not lost the leadership of two solid seniors, Davis and Rose. Kudo's to the young guys for stepping up and making it interesting.
    It was great to see the BYU fans filling the seats and supporting the team.
    I can't wait till next year.
    Go Cougs.

  • Husker1 Northern Utah County, UT
    March 16, 2017 6:57 a.m.

    The Utah and BYU losses were technically upsets based on the seeding, but I don't think they were upsets in reality. Their opponents are simply better teams.

  • Bountiful Guy Bountiful, UT
    March 16, 2017 6:51 a.m.

    I'm so glad that this season is over. It was awesome to watch a great team in action last night. UT is a 'team'. I wonder how many open layups they had. Pick and Roll plays, and Drive and Ditch plays were rampant. UT had 28 fouls to 16 for BYU, yet no one fouled out. It was a great team effort and congratulations to the far superior team. If UT wins the NIT, they will have 30 wins. Wow. I wish them well. BYU was taken out by a great team, so they can choose to learn or return with the same lack of teamwork next season. I wish them well.

    It's time to watch the Lady Cougs now. I hope they come ready to play. They are a team, too.

  • Pipes Salt Lake City, UT
    March 16, 2017 6:20 a.m.

    20 turnovers! You have to take care of the ball. Focus people, focus!!!!!

  • deseret pete robertson, Wy
    March 16, 2017 6:13 a.m.

    They will have to spend the summer learning Defense.

  • Juice Box Eureka, UT
    March 16, 2017 5:59 a.m.

    62 first half points....

    At least the Utes didn't get embarrassed. But I get it, both teams stink.

    LP3!

  • Pugman TREMONTON, UT
    March 16, 2017 4:47 a.m.

    Good.......Put us fans out of our misery. What a horrible year with nothing to look forward to next year. I wouldn't even know where to start over. These kids from Lone Peak aren't going to cut it. Goes to shows...# of stars, top 100 Mcdonalds all Americans, means nothing. In the overall scheme of things no matter what sport you play......defense wins championships, and for this team....defense is a foreign concept. You say the word defense, and they look at you like deer in the head lights.

  • Jello is Good ,
    March 16, 2017 4:20 a.m.

    That was a typical BYU game. Mika was a beast on both ends of the court. Emery was fair, but better when Haws is on the bench. The rest of the starters were horrible and there was no bench. Haws' defense was so bad that sometimes he wasn't even in frame when his man is scoring. He also had more turnovers than assists again. Childes simply disappeared.

    BYU must sign a true point guard with quickness that can play defense or next year will be just as disappointing as this. Haws is not ready for prime time.

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    March 16, 2017 3:56 a.m.

    "against the defenseless". That pretty well sums it up. Another BYU opponent has another "career night." Watching BYU play is more painful than a tooth ache. The lack of discipline, teamwork, and defensive effort is appalling; and it falls squarely on the head coach. I've seen YMCA teams better coached.

  • CougarForever Holladay, Utah
    March 16, 2017 1:31 a.m.

    This was only the second game I have watched in person this season and I was stunned by what appeared to be major defensive confusion (granted we had some starters out but this is the end of the season not the first or second week). Multiple times on defense players seemed out of position, didn't rotate effectively or exerted token defensive effort. At times we looked like a team that was playing together for the first time, at least on defense. Really surprising at this stage of the season. The excessive turnovers didn't help either (despite some laudable offensive spurts at times). Despite predictions that UT Arlington would give us trouble, I really did not anticipate this. We still have our signature win over the Zags but I expected us to go a long way in the NIT. Too bad.

  • jsanders Draper , UT
    March 16, 2017 1:00 a.m.

    a wire to wire 16 point win in Provo for UT Arlington. Man... Maybe we will learn to wait for our own result next time.

  • DraperUteFan Draper, UT
    March 16, 2017 12:37 a.m.

    Utah loses to its Blue/Orange kryptonite one night and Cougar fans pile on. Utah deserved it as they played terribly down the stretch.

    How satisfying it was then to see a team that has only made it to any postseason play 5 times in their history dominate the Cougars.

    Yeah, UTA looked pretty good, but BYU made them look like the best team in the NIT. How many back door screen layups do you have to see before figuring out how to defend them?

    The FInal 4 awaits next year Coug fans. On paper at least.

  • Old But Not Stupid Moorpark, CA
    March 16, 2017 12:30 a.m.

    "And BYU was not immune to the [upset] phenomenon."

    This statement is true for obvious reasons: poor mental and offensive fundamentals -- over dribbling, lazy passing, and general lack of poise, which reflects their generally poor preparation.

    Then to compound the problems losing 20 turnovers and giving up 32 points in the paint to UNDEFENDED cutters and stationary players under UTA's basket.

    UTA sliced and diced the Cougar defense with their crisp passing, reminiscent of the last St. Mary's debacle.

    One would be tempted to say that Rose has lost this team; however, it is more than apparent all season long that he never had this team to lose.

  • burningblue Provo, UT
    March 16, 2017 12:15 a.m.

    BYU should be embarrassed.

    I hope they are. I hope Mika is embarrassed. I hope Nick Emery is embarrassed, but most of all I hope coach Rose is embarrassed.

    You just got blown out by a 6 seed in the NIT on your home court. Congratulations.

    Isn't this the story of this year, though. Let me give you a few examples. UVU gets hot and puts 114 on BYU in the Marriot center. Sand Diego beats them by 13. Pepperdine beats them 16. BYU has made a habit of getting blown out by bad teams.

    I never expected the Cougs to go to the NCAA tournament this year. They had injuries and almost no experience on this squad. But I did expect them to compete. Maybe not against ranked teams, but at least against the mediocre mid-majors of the world.

    I hope for better results next year, but I'm not holding my breath. Not until this BYU team shows us some signs of life.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    March 15, 2017 11:58 p.m.

    Not sure what to make of a season that started and ended with blowout home losses to UVU and UT Arlington, sandwiched around a road win over 29-0, #1 Gonzaga, except to hope that BYU learned alot in the process.

  • phantomblade Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 15, 2017 11:50 p.m.

    Turnovers, no defense, and, except for a brief flurry at the end by Leifson, no help from the bench, killed BYU.

    It's difficult to beat a team as good and as experienced as UT Arlington with only two players - Mika and Emery. Bryant's loss was huge.

    Haws was sick; Beo was a turnover machine; Guinn was an offensive disaster; and Childs seemed to be sleepwalking through the entire, hardly any effort.

    With all of the other upsets, the skids were greased for an easy run to the Final Four. Unfortunately, BYU fumbled that chance away with 20 turnovers.