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BYU coach Dave Rose says after season-ending loss, Cougars 'need to go to work'

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  • runnerguy50 Virginia Beach, Va
    March 19, 2017 7:10 p.m.

    Mika should transfer.

  • intrinsicrewards Salem, VA
    March 19, 2017 6:49 p.m.

    BYU reminds me of a very good church ball team. I don't question that BYU players work hard. I'm sure they work hard on becoming the next Jimmerheir with their raining 3's but little else. It's obvious BYU has some divas on the team that need some humility until they begin playing some defense.

  • Rockarolla West Jordan, UT
    March 18, 2017 5:59 p.m.

    Find a True center with some Muscle. The last center to have any muscle was Greg Kite. He may not have been an offensive threat but nobody came into the middle without Greg making them pay. Mika is great but, he's a power forward. We need a 7 footer with some skills and one who isn't afraid to knock heads once and a while!!!

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    March 18, 2017 12:03 p.m.

    A little math here:
    BYU turned the ball over 20 times and UTA scored 32 points off those turnovers. Average 1.6 points per turnover. Cut the turnovers in half and UTA has 16 fewer points (in theory). UTA won by 16. The gap closes.

    With 10 fewer turnovers, that translates to 10 more opportunities for BYU to score. Assuming they get a shot off on each possession and they hit on 40% of them and also assuming that they don't get any 3's, they have 8 more points. BYU wins by 8

    The experimental foul rules: Reset team fouls to zero every 10 minutes really hurt BYU. UTA fouled a lot. The ESPN commentators said that had they played by regular rules BYU would have been in the bonus for 13 more minutes in each half. It is quite likely that we would have had at least 15 more free throws. If we hit 60% that would be 9 more points. BYU wins by 17.

    If, the biggest word in the English language.

    Turnovers are costly. UTA averaged 1.6 points per turnover and we lost the opportunity to score at least 1 point per turnover. Each turnover costs us at least 2 points on average, probably more like 2.5 points if you really do the analysis.

  • Eastern CO Coug Elizabeth, CO
    March 18, 2017 7:01 a.m.

    My two cents worth here of what is needed. 1) new assistant coach(s) with someone focused on defense. More defense. 2) New JUCO guards- transfers in, and some of the bench- especially the guards need to transfer out. Limited scoring threat- of course of with the LP3 taking the lions share of shots.... They need real athletes who can play defense and prevent opposing teams from driving at will against BYU. 3) Play Nixon and Andrus many minutes next year. I am especially excited about Nixon's scoring ability and hopefully he can provide major points off of bench. 4) Where is Jacob Hartsock when you need him? 5) Start and play somebody other than Haws at point guard. Haws is a shooter not a passer, and his no look passes while dazzling at first later on the season went for more turnovers than assists. I vote for Elijah Bryant who showed more upside than any of the players in my opinion. Back to the LP3- too much selfish play from all three at times. Yes even the holy one in the middle, who was great for most of the season, forced too many shots in some games and helped get the team down early against the likes of St. Marys.

  • Whatsnu Sandy, UT
    March 17, 2017 5:36 p.m.

    HoboA1

    "So, I guess this means that no-one in the program is working hard?"

    That's what Rose said, but what I'm sure what he really meant was everyone in the program needs to worker hard(er).

    "The only thing that I can see right now is that we need to work," Rose said. "Our players need to go to work, our coaches need to go to work. We need to find a group of guys that can come together and be able to overcome a lot of issues that we weren’t able to overcome this year. I look forward to it."

  • HoboA1 Saratoga Springs, UT
    March 17, 2017 3:47 p.m.

    So, I guess this means that no-one in the program is working hard?

  • Whatsnu Sandy, UT
    March 17, 2017 3:22 p.m.

    Old But Not Stupid

    "What I think Few and Bennett saw in Haws was his whiny, volatile mental make up and bad floor game."

    The truth is, you don't have a clue what Few and Bennett think of Haws,

    so you're projecting your own clueless, biased opinion onto coaches who actually have a clue.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    March 17, 2017 3:13 p.m.

    Old But Not Stupid

    "I used to watch Jimmer lolly-gagging around in the key near the free throw line in their zone defense. Frequently he had no clue where the ball or his nearest opponent were. This lack of defense fundamentals is what killed any chance he had in the NBA..."

    WRONG!

    Jimmer's lack of lateral quickness and the fact that he's 3 to 4 inches shorter than most NBA shooting guards is what killed his chances of being a star in the NBA.

    It also didn't prevent BYU from compiling a 32-5 and being a legitimate national championship contender until Davies was suspended.

    It didn't, however, prevent him from being the Consensus National Player of the Year and being THE most exciting player in the country.

  • killarney Lincoln Park, IL
    March 17, 2017 2:58 p.m.

    old but...

    "Must have missed the unanimous selection of Haws.....oh, he wasn't unanimous? I think both Few and Bennett had at least 2 guards on each of their teams, whom they would have preferred over Haws."

    You have absolutely no proof that Haws WASN'T a unanimous selection for the WCC All-Conference First Team and Freshmen Team - all 10 coaches voted for the all-conference teams. At the very least, Haws was selected to both teams by the majority of WCC coaches, who are obviously more qualified to evaluate his talent and play than the whiners on this blog.

    Have you talked to Few and Bennett to confirm who they voted for?

  • Old But Not Stupid Moorpark, CA
    March 17, 2017 1:36 p.m.

    @ FAX
    From the article: "Quite obviously, other coaches like Few and Bennett could see in Haws, what the LP3 jealousy of the whiny naysayers on this blog has made them too blind to see."

    Must have missed the unanimous selection of Haws.....oh, he wasn't unanimous? I think both Few and Bennett had at least 2 guards on each of their teams, whom they would have preferred over Haws.

    What I think Few and Bennett saw in Haws was his whiny, volatile mental make up and bad floor game. Doubt very much he captured their votes.

  • Old But Not Stupid Moorpark, CA
    March 17, 2017 1:02 p.m.

    “This is new for us as far as our staff is concerned,” said Rose.

    The fix is not new--except it is foreign to this staff. That would be fundamentals, defense 101, and a "pass first" team mentality.

    I used to watch Jimmer lolly-gagging around in the key near the free throw line in their zone defense. Frequently he had no clue where the ball or his nearest opponent were. This lack of defense fundamentals is what killed any chance he had in the NBA. Defense is 90% "gotta wanna" and effort.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    March 17, 2017 12:11 p.m.

    CO Ute

    "Injuries to X,Y, and Z really hurt. Sure it did but every team has injuries..."

    Show me another team that started the season as one of the least experienced teams in the country, and then lost their only two Seniors - Davis and L.J. Rose - to season-ending injuries, plus another starter - Bryant - for all of December with a nagging injury, which he re-aggravated forcing him to miss BYU's NIT game.

    Not every team has to deal with injuries to so many key players.

    Utah fans blamed Utah's loss to San Francisco on the loss of ONE starter for ONE game.

    BYU lost THREE starters from a very inexperienced team for a significant portion of the season.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    March 17, 2017 11:52 a.m.

    Drano

    Check your "facts":

    Childs and Haws were both All-WCC Men’s Basketball Freshman Team

    Mika and Haws were both All-WCC Men’s Basketball First Team

    Quite obviously, other coaches like Few and Bennett could see in Haws, what the LP3 jealousy of the whiny naysayers on this blog has made them too blind to see.

    Rose is an excellent coach who did very well with one of the least experienced teams in the country, and one that was beset by injuries to key players throughout the season.

    Haws, as a Freshman, shot 40.4% from 3PT this season, moving into 5th place on the list of BYU's all-time 3PT% for a season, ahead of Jimmer's Senior season.

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    March 17, 2017 11:40 a.m.

    As a fan of another school it gives me a chuckle reading a lot of these comments. You can reply that I am a Y hater (false), wear crimson goggles (also false) or any of the other standard comebacks but everything that follows is realistic.

    Comment: no big man runs the floor better than Mika and no 6'8" freshman forward has more upside than Childs. Well I think if you look at the teams playing after this weekend you can find a dozen big men better than Mika and another dozen freshmen bigs that are better than Childs. Doesn't mean the Y kids aren't good players but look how many kids go to the NBA at then end of the season for comparison.
    Injuries to X,Y, and Z really hurt. Sure it did but every team has injuries and there are still only 40 minutes a game to divide up. That is a lame excuse.
    Until the whole teams starts to play defense and the LP3 realize that their high school days are over, BYU isn't going to be a serious NCAA tournament threat.

  • Drano USA, 00
    March 17, 2017 11:12 a.m.

    Vasislos Holbrook, AZ -

    We do, remember Emery being freshmen of the year, but usually a player makes an improvement from freshman to sophomore year. Didn't happen. Haws received what exactly? Honorable mention all-freshman team. Yeah, here's your participation trophy. As a fan, I'm sure you can appreciate the fact, for the last 3-5 years, we were told, "Oh just wait until the LP3 get on campus. Conference championships, deep NCAA tournament runs, etc.,". I like you, have spent money traveling around supporting the team, buying the gear, donating, etc.,. Well, the vaunted LP3 are here and the results are, "Oh wait, they're the same as before." In the meantime, we all wonder what would have happened if players who transferred had been given the same playing time, the same leash to make mistakes like the LP3 and the same opportunities would have been better options. Go read "Inside Darnell's Head" as he provides insight as to why those guys transferred. It is a legitimate question. I like Rose, don't want to see him go, but he needs to make changes. Even Mark Durrant says as much. I hope you're right and everyone improves, because that means we will be better next year.

  • Woodworker Highland, UT
    March 17, 2017 10:54 a.m.

    1)Yes, it was a bad game for a lot of reasons, but let's quit the murmuring and complaining. ( Myself included.) There have been way more successes than failures for this young team and their coaches. Room for growth? Of course. But our lives don't depend on their efforts, nor are we justified in whining and complaining about others.
    2) Defense, defense, defense. "Wanda B Rich" had insightful comments on how well St. Mary's plays defense with their talent. I believe that BYU's culture of a high scoring offense needs to become a culture of smart offense & smart, tough defense. I am certainly not a basketball coach or player, but we have to have the fundamentals taught and practiced. I also think it is wise to bench a player for mistakes or lack of effort on defense, at least for a few minutes. Nurture a culture of defense!
    3) Finally, thanks to Coach Rose, his staff, and the players for all their hard work and sacrifice this year. We'll never know all the good you have done. Go Cougs!

  • cy1951 Arlington, VA
    March 17, 2017 10:40 a.m.

    First off, I am old guy and remember with fondness watching Kresimir Cosic and Danny Ainge and Fred Roberts, and Coaches Stan Watts and Frank Arnold and Coach Reid, too. BYU basketball teams that were fun to watch built the Marriot Center. Key phrase there: "fun to watch." Coach Rose's style of basketball is fun to watch -- and he has the core players that fit that style. No big man in the country runs the floor better, or has a stronger "motor," than Eric Mika. No 6'8" freshman has a brighter upside than Yoeli Childs. The two LP guards show flashes of brilliance. Bryant looked out-of-sync until he got used to playing after his injury, but he, too, looked like the real deal at the end of the year. No bad team and no bad coach could do what this team and this coach did at Gonzaga. Dalstrup has to get in shape and show why Ohio State wanted him. Beo has to show why he was a four year starter and averaged 20+ points per game in a very good high school program. If the guards shoot 200+ shots a day during the off-season and Rose puts them through a defense-oriented boot camp next fall, this team could be very good. As fans, let's give them the chance to be great.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    March 17, 2017 10:13 a.m.

    It'll be interesting to see how quickly all of the naysayers jump back on the bandwagon when BYU suddenly becomes a much better, much more efficient, much more successful team, next season, with a year's experience behind the same core group of players - Mika, Emery, Haws, Childs and Bryant.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    March 17, 2017 10:11 a.m.

    BYU's issues are not about talent or experience. They have the talent and experience to compete in the WCC.

    BYU's issues are about their Jimmermania hangover.

    BYU is loaded with players who came to BYU in the wake of Jimmermania and who are aspiring to create that glory for themselves.

    BYU players love the Jimmer 3-ball... they love the roar of the Marriott Center crowd when that 3-ball goes down.

    When BYU players lose their infatuation with Jimmermania and realize that not everyone, or maybe no one ever again, will be Jimmer... then maybe they can get back to the hard work necessary for consistently winning basketball.

    Until then the 3-balls will fly and disappointing Cougar seasons will continue.

  • There You Go Again St George, UT
    March 17, 2017 9:58 a.m.

    Coach Rose, by W/L record, has been a successful Coach, at BYU.

    How to move BYU from the current success to a higher level?

    Rather than inventing a new wheel, why not replicate what the two most successful teams in the WCC have done to rise to the top of the WCC?

    How does Coach Rose rise to the level of a Mark Few?

    How can Coach Rose motivate his players to work as a team...like Randy Bennett has been able to do at Saint Mary's?

    One pundit has opined that it's not so much about the X's and the O's...

    It's all about the Jimmy's and the Joe's...

    Recruiting is the life blood of any program.

    Coach Rose has forgotten more about basketball than the majority of critics well ever know.

    I look forward to see what will happen as Coach Rose and his staff work with the players to get to that next level.

  • superdmil Centerville, UT
    March 17, 2017 9:43 a.m.

    Tom Holmoe needs to "get to work" finding a replacement for Rose.

    One that stresses offensive efficiency and defense.

  • taylormade1 Springville, UT
    March 17, 2017 9:14 a.m.

    Yep, Rose hit the nail right on the head... Go to work finding talented bench players since it is only obvious there is little or no talent sitting on the bench on this team . Go to work finding quick guards that can stay in front of their man and actually play defense .Go to work finding a point guard that can actually dribble the basketball under control . ( Haws is no point guard as he cant even keep the ball under control ! ). Go to work finding a team that can play as a team and find the open man.( Hint: pass,pass and pass). and finally, Find a coaching staff that can actually see all of these present weaknesses and also be able to make adjustments when needed during a game instead of just sitting on the bench with your head in your hands ... Rose has got a very busy summer coming up !

  • Husker1 Northern Utah County, UT
    March 17, 2017 8:41 a.m.

    Recruiting and attracting transfer or JC players will be hard when the LP3 players have three of the starting positions locked down.

    I agree with eagle. Emery and Haws should not be on the floor together.

  • bhansenjr DeRidder, LA
    March 17, 2017 8:26 a.m.

    I think the root cause of our defense and poor efficiency is team depth. Who do our #1's practice against--guys who wouldn't be good juco players. I'm sorry Guinn, Frampton, Beo and Leifson are not D1 players. You can get by with a couple of those players, but when they are your depth--not good. You get nothing from your practices. #1's look like superstars getting away with sloppy play, and no defense because none of them can score (although they could if the defense is like it is the games because BYU defense is running 5 steps behind with a frantic look on their face like they're hustling--because they weren't hustling when you needed to).

    It's a horrible excuse to say you can't get top tier players to come to BYU--it's not true. You need to go after every top 100 player. You only need 1 or 2 a year. I work in DeRidder, LA not exactly a booming metropolis for engineers, yet I have successfully "recruited" top engineers from MIT, Cornell and others--You just have to ask, make them like you, close and take care of them. I fear Dastrup (top 100) and Aytes will be the next to leave. They didn't take care of them. UVU will love them. We are in tough shape. Go Cougars!

  • BYUToday OLATHE, KS
    March 17, 2017 8:06 a.m.

    Player first instead of team first, (standard) driven focus killed BYU ball this year. Why not reload when a player goes down or is sick? Why keep playing Haws when hisis out of place on D 99 out of 100 times. Tough to play 4 on 5 against good team focused programs. Haws 18 or so points a game do not make up for the 30 plus he gives up with his lack of D. So Sad to see coaching allow the team to suffer with the player first mentality! Set a standard already and let the best player rise to the occasion! If Haws is that good he has to get better or sit. The way it is now he plays with no one or system pushing him to get better.

  • Juice Box Eureka, UT
    March 17, 2017 6:04 a.m.

    Mr. Rose, how about YOU get to work?

  • tyroneweaver Burley, ID
    March 17, 2017 5:17 a.m.

    The amount of players that have recently left the program borders on a human wave.
    That alone tells me something is amiss.

  • vasislos Holbrook, AZ
    March 17, 2017 1:37 a.m.

    Dang. A successful season with some exciting wins and some head-scratching losses. The problem is that the Cougs underperformed the high expectations put on them. This gives the trolls an excuse to carp and those BYU fans whose self-esteem is tied up in Cougar success a reason to call for firing the coach and dismantling the team.
    BYU and Utah not worthy to be in the post-season? Really? There are 100 teams in the NCAA and NIT. You don't think the Utes or Cougs should have been one of them?
    Players get minutes based on family connections, where they went to school, etc? Seriously, get a grip.
    Of the LP3 only Mika has lived up to his billing? Emery was all-conference last year and Haws received honors this year. Did you forget that?
    I think that this team has tremendous upside and will justify the hype in the coming season. Lets try to hold judgement in abeyance until this time next year. If they play awkward, uncoordinated, and with no improvement on perimeter defense or silly turnovers, then I will stop defending them. 1 year from now - "Mark it down."

  • Bobby joe SAINT GEORGE, UT
    March 17, 2017 12:05 a.m.

    Let's remember and keep in mind that it is difficult for any program anywhere to be the team they want to be when key guys (Rose, Davis, Bryant, etc) are not available. And what program doesn't have players leave? Let's remember, it is Coach Rose and his system that has attracted other players such as probably non LDS Matt Carlino,Chase Fischer, Elijah Bryant, LJ Rose. Tell me why they would come here if not for Coach Rose and his system? Let's everyone appreciate a great human being, fantastic coach, one who is the same coach as the Jimmer era and before. Different teams have different capabilities and skills. Coach Rose is very highly respected among his peers and experts. I thank Coach Rose for his dedicated work all these years. I feel the future is bright. Also, there are many many programs who would love having a "disappointing" 22 win season.

  • CoHawk Littleton, CO
    March 16, 2017 11:35 p.m.

    We need to work harder ........ how about we need to work smarter??? How about we need to coach better??? How about we need to bench miracle passer, Haws, everytime he is the first one down the court on offense and the last one down the court on defense??

  • SFSteveS SF, CA
    March 16, 2017 11:20 p.m.

    I didn't see much of the coogs this year ... vs. Gonzaga, St. Mary's and Santa Clara ... they played pretty well in those games and I thought they pretty much met expectation ... as for showing the coach the door, I can't imagine why ... he's got a tough job, but (judging by history) does it better than most ...

  • CoHawk Littleton, CO
    March 16, 2017 11:03 p.m.

    Desert Sage is right on! Play the bench some real minutes. When Haws or anyone violates the stupid pass rule, put them on the bench for 3 minutes. No defense ..... onto the bench. Coaches need to fix the offense which is stagnant and guards (Haws and Emery and Bryant) need to drive and dish to other guards at the 3 pt line that who are ready to shoot. Haws needs to be immediately demoted from point guard because he isn't one. The ball has to go inside out or quickly passed around the perimeter to BYU players who are actually stand near the 3pt line ..... not 10 feet behind it. Rose needs to attend some coaching clinics and maybe fine coach Rice and get him back. BYU's defense is horrible but it has taken the offense with it.

  • Rocket Science Brigham City, UT
    March 16, 2017 11:01 p.m.

    DaveWY millions have been donated. Perhaps you have not been in what is still one of the largest and best college basketball venues in the country. Perhaps you have not seen the new basketball practice facility, Perhaps you are unaware of donations to athletic endowment to provide scholarships.

    No DaveWY, don't blame poor play on fans. What is needed is a coach who demands tough defense, who demands players look to go inside first, who demands team play.

    Except for the Gonzaga game it seems like Coach Rose doesn't make adjustments during a game. Cougs just keep shooting long 3's with 24 seconds on the shot clock and no one underneath, play poor D or none at all and then don't correct sloppy ball handling.

    Yup! They need to work hard. Work hard on some specific basic fundamentals.

  • Drano USA, 00
    March 16, 2017 10:51 p.m.

    idablu - Well said, "What's the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over and expecting the same results." Even with the players we have coming off their missions, it doesn't address the problem. All good teams in the NCAA tournament right now have what? Really good, smart tough-minded guards who play both ends of the floor exceptionally well. Right now, BYU has two starting guards who don't fit that description (Haws & Emery), so how can we expect to be better next year. Solution: hit the juco colleges and find guards who fit that description from jucos like Sothern Idaho, San Jacinto (In Houston) or Hutchinson in Kansas where some good juco talent has come from recently (Check Arizona's current roster). I know some coaches have mixed feelings about juco guys, but to get to where all BYU Nation wants to go, why not try something different rather than recruiting Utah high schools. With all the big time recruits having signed the NLI, it is the best shot we have for success next year because hopefully the guys you bring in would challenge and push the current crop to either get better or catch some splinters.

  • Desert Sage USA, NV
    March 16, 2017 9:21 p.m.

    I agree with kfbob. Rose doesn't manage his personnel well. He cut Nielson to give Kaufusi a scholarship, then Nielson lit up BYU and Utah with huge games, and averaged pretty much a double double for the year with UVU. Nielson is 3X as good as Kaufusi. Bartley became a star after he left BYU. Chatman did well against ACC competition playing for BC, and I predict Calvert and Toolson will thrive at UVU. Rose misjudges talent. Chatman, with his size and athleticism, would have come in very handy this year, and should have played a heck of a lot more last year. And Jakob Hartsock--did he really "retire"?
    Also, Rose doesn't fix fixable problems, such as opponent kick-outs off penetration to wide open three point shots and Haws' penchant for driving the lane, jumping up in the air, and throwing a fancy pass to someone who isn't open. The coach needs to accept some responsibility here.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    March 16, 2017 8:46 p.m.

    @DaveWY
    Not only that, how many lds coaches qualify to coach at the Y? You be crazy to let go Dave Rose. He will retire or move on when he knows, it is enough. Remember people want Lavell Edward gone which I thought they are crazy. Nobody tells Bear Bryant, Woody Hayes, Bo Schembechle, Joe Patterno and a few to go. I know Dave Rose is not John Wooden, Rupp, Digger Phelps and few others.
    Anyway, our coaches and players need to work hard for next year.

  • Drano USA, 00
    March 16, 2017 7:48 p.m.

    kfbob-

    I couldn't agree more than what you just said. Amen! Why did those guys transfer? Because the LP3 (Mika has only lived up to the billing) is really the LP1! Players don't want to play with them, certainly when they are being forced into roles they don't want or desire. Meanwhile, the "chosen ones" are jacking shots, making ill advised passes, committing turnovers and yet; they still get to play. The message was sent when you hired Quincy Lewis as your assistant. My program is all about the LP3. I went to BYU during the Reid era and it was tough basketball to watch, but even more disheartening to watch LDS kids kill it at other schools during that time. I hope Rose does the following: 1) Can's his assistants immediately, 2) hires assistants who run an offense with screens, passing, cuts, back door cuts, actual plays (you don't have to kill the fast breaks but make sure your PG makes solid, smart decisions p; rather than jacking shots if there is no open guy on the break) and 3) sit players when they don't play defense (yes Emery, Haws, Bryant, I'm talking to you) for the full :30 Seconds.

  • Nephiwon Crown Point Essex, NY
    March 16, 2017 7:46 p.m.

    I love college basketball but the cougars play ugly basketball. It's difficult to watch. They are up and down the floor to fast making them unable to play any defense. But I always hope they win.

  • Deanvrtc Vancouver, WA
    March 16, 2017 7:29 p.m.

    I saw Rose mentally quit a few times this year. He did it again in our final game. Im not sure he has the tenacity to bench Haws and Emory when they implode. I get it..Haws was sick..this is a young team, etc..etc.. Rose probably begged them to come to BYU. Now they are both mental cases and Rose is stuck. You can't blame youth anymore. Rose even hired their former LP coach to help him with this "near certain" championship group. How is this working out? A disaster!! Rose let proven players go last year who would have given needed depth to this team. Regardless of how you direct this..Rose had his worst year ever and it was not all injuries and youth. C'mon Holmoe..do your job. Make the needed changes so the ticket holders can hold their heads up. I can take a loss..but I can't cheer for quiters. This team and the coach..quit.. on each other and the fans. The ONLY exception that I see to this thought is Mica. If I were him..I would be looking elsewhere.

  • DaveWY Afton, WY
    March 16, 2017 6:38 p.m.

    Anybody can be a critic of the coach or the players, but look where the preseason sportscasters and "experts" ranked BYU, third in the WCC behind Gonzaga and St Mary's. That is exactly where they ended up. Those calling for a change in coaching have no clue how hard it is to win 20 plus games a year consistently. Just look at your neighbors to the north that have had great teams some years and less so other years.
    If you want BYU to be in the top tier every year, then reach in your wallet and donate millions to the cause. Look what the top tier programs cost to run.
    Otherwise, we are getting a pretty exciting product to watch every year. Yup, they can break your heart, but I think they are worth staying behind.
    Go Cougs.

  • scrappy do DRAPER, UT
    March 16, 2017 6:30 p.m.

    Find a new coach and don't rely on the local high school talent... That's the recipe

    Until then mediocrity and lots of bad NIT showings

  • steve24/7 Sandy, UT
    March 16, 2017 6:30 p.m.

    Some stats from the UTA game last night:

    Davin Guinn: 24 mins, 2 points
    Zach Frampton: 17 mins, 3 pts
    Steven Beo: 23 mins, 4 pts
    Colby Leifson: 5 mins, 10 pts

    Not a typo on Leifson's stats. Our bench player who apparently was capable of scoring at the rate of 2 points per minute in that game was only put in for 5 minutes and in that time he outscored the other 3 players combined on that list. Seems like it would have been a good idea to have given him a lot more minutes. But hey, I'm not a coach what do I know.

  • daver Provo, 00
    March 16, 2017 6:28 p.m.

    I really liked how tough Frampton and Gwinn played. But it seemed like the whole team (including those two) ran out of gas the second half.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    March 16, 2017 6:15 p.m.

    BYU will be the same team and have the same results next year unless there is a complete paradigm shift and change in culture...either Rose needs to instill that or it's time to explore other options.

    Great defensive teams win or go deep in tournaments, but only because defense becomes a pride thing for them. It's what they hang their hat on and how they define themselves. These players have the ability to play defense, but they have to own it, love it, and make it a part of their game above all else. Will that happen in the short off-season? Probably not and that's disappointing.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    March 16, 2017 6:09 p.m.

    This season was frustrating and it wasn't just bad defense, the defense was terrible, even atrocious sometimes but the offense was terrible too . We need an offense that runs plays and gets guys open, moves , passes, etc and this coaching staff didn't do a good job on offense or defense. If Rose doesn't want to make it happen himself and if he doesn't want to be tough on his coaches, then he needs to retire. I like Rose and hope he gets tough with himself and his coaches to make the changes that need to be made. We have better talent than St Mary's, we need to play like them with the smarts they play with and the discipline, teamwork, and unselfishness they play with. I don't see it happening but it needs to happen.
    Has anyone heard if the kid from Vagas is still coming to BYU???

  • youtefan Bountiful, UT
    March 16, 2017 6:06 p.m.

    Honestly speaking...entitled players. If you throw up horrible shots you should be benched. If you don't play defense you should be benched. If you cannot control your temper you should benched. Accountability would help this team immensely. Just say'n

  • eagle Provo, UT
    March 16, 2017 6:02 p.m.

    The last five minutes of that game was an embarrassing joke. No defense, horrible shot selection, it looked like bad church basketball game.

    I think Emery and Haws are too much alike to be on the court at the same time.

  • palangi52 Kamiah, ID
    March 16, 2017 5:50 p.m.

    Same old same old. Inexperience can't be used as an excuse anymore. These guys have played together for years. BYU needs a coach who will seriously challenge these guys to play as a team, not individuals and play some defense. If the guys aren't willing to do those 2 things, next year will be a repeat.

  • jpc53 Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 16, 2017 5:40 p.m.

    Neither Utah or BYU deserved to be in the post season. Hopefully, their embarrassing losses will wake some people up. You listening Mr Hill and Mr Holmoe?

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    March 16, 2017 5:21 p.m.

    So they are going to "work harder" to "get better..."
    Hmm.
    If this team continues with the same coaching strategies with regards to personnel, offense, and defense, they will NOT get better. In the words of Chris B, "mark it down."

    No matter how hard you work, if you do the same things over and over again, you will get the same results.
    Coaching has to change. Whether that requires a commitment to a very different mindset with the current coach or coaching replacement, something has to be done at the top to effect real, positive change. At the very least, Rose has to change up his staff with new assistants who really know how to coach defense.

  • Bountiful Guy Bountiful, UT
    March 16, 2017 5:06 p.m.

    I don't think BYU was good enough to be in any post season tournament, but the NIT selection committee picked BYU for the $$$ they could bring in, imo. I think that the players who left BYU caused more damage than injuries, except for Davis. We need defensive skills for sure. And we need good shot selectors. But we need team play, too and we just didn't have any of that this year. Mika is awesome. I hope he'll return, but I wouldn't be surprised if he leaves for greener pastures. He is as fine a young man as can be found, so his sense of loyalty to BYU and friends may keep him here. I hope so.

    UT was so fun to watch last night, and I'm going to keep watching their progress. I love team play, and they have it.

  • london_josh lincoln, CA
    March 16, 2017 4:51 p.m.

    My issue isn't a young team, it's the lack of coaching for defense.

    Few teams run the schedule, and BYU helped support the "any given day" fact.

    What I have an issue with is that loss after loss it was the same thing, and it wasn't ever addressed.

    BYU will remain vulnerable until the fix this issue which has been obvious from the start of the season when I went to see BYU give it's annual thumping to UVU and walked out of there is absolute dismay.

    That issue needs to be addressed.

  • Tuffy Parker Salem, UT
    March 16, 2017 4:46 p.m.

    BYU Basketball has been dreadful this year with the exception of a very, very small handful of games. The season record is probably not really indicative of how poorly the Cougars have played overall this year.

    The experience and injury cards can only be played so long. Players and coaches need to up their collective game or get out of the way to let someone else step up.

    Underachieving is becoming all too commonplace with BYU hoops...

  • 1984 for life Salt Lake City, UT
    March 16, 2017 4:19 p.m.

    Coach Rose - doesn't Lone Peak have anyone who can defend?

    Come on, there has to be someone.

  • kfbob SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    March 16, 2017 4:15 p.m.

    I think the real issue that they need to fix is the transfer situation; Chatman, Bartley, Toolson, Neilsen didn't get a real chance and were either shown the door or figured with the Magical, mystical LP3 coming together that they wern't going to play. Rose is getting to the same point as Roger Reid in his career. No one wanted to sign with BYU until his kids graduated. They knew just like the kids today know that certain guys will play because of family relationships, older siblings that played etc. etc. they know they won't get a fair shot to play. That perception is definitely there. Until players are benched for "hero ball", "crazy shots" and lackadaisical defense, the culture won't change...more guys leaving and recruiting backups that would struggle to play at Weber.

  • Wanda B. Rich Provo, UT
    March 16, 2017 4:05 p.m.

    That had to be the worst defensive effort of the year, except maybe the St. Mary's blowout. What they need there is a new assistant coach who can teach better fundamentals. I don't buy the excuse that it's because they have too many slow white players. Look at St. Mary's. They're whiter than BYU and probably slower. But they are fundamentally a solid defensive team, one of the best in the country. So, that's a coaching issue.

    I hadn't heard that TJ and Yoeli were sick, but after watching them play, I believe it. Their numbers were way down. The return of Nixon and Andrus should help next year. Nixon's a tough matchup, and Andrus has size and athleticism and a good shooting touch. So, there's always next year. Seems like we say that every year, but next year they will be more experienced and more skilled up front. The loss of Davis hurt them most this year. Hopefully they will value the ball more next year. Turnovers killed them in this game.

  • Swan Ronson St. Louis, MO
    March 16, 2017 3:42 p.m.

    The only two words I needed to hear were . . Luke Worthington! What else do they need? The rest of the WCC has been dreading this day!

  • Sweater In Rafters Franklin, IN
    March 16, 2017 3:36 p.m.

    Typo

    After this season, Dave Rose needs to "find" work...