National group send fictional thank-you card from tourism rival Colorado
Another law to increase revenue. Pretty soon too much mouthwash and they take
This has nothing to do with those that drink. It has everything to do with
those who drink and drive. Personally, I don't care if people get crocked
somewhere as long as they aren't the ones driving home.Sign the
law. It isn't going to hurt anyone except the irresponsible few who should
get busted anyway.
I don't really care what the standard is, as long as it's supported by
scientific evidence. So far, I've seen almost no evidence that the average
driver is impaired at 0.05 BAC. In other words, the new law seems more like a
religiously motivated message bill than the establishment of a logical
standard.I'd also like to point out the fallacy of saying that
tourists don't come here to drink but to ski. Clearly our visitors come
for a variety of reasons, but most non-Mormons are responsible drinkers who
enjoy a drink with dinner, and they'll take their tourism dollars where
they feel welcome.
Fewer people driving with alcohol in their systems is just fine with me.
Colorado has a law and fine for the 0.05 limit. The adds are an embarrassment to
those who posted them. They have shown that they are only thinking about filling
their pockets with filthy lucre and not the safety of the public.
Three of my grown children and their young families live in the great state of
Utah. I'm grateful that there is now even more motivation for people there
not to be driving under the influence. I wish we had a stricter law here in
Montana. Nearly everyday I read in the newspaper about some disgusting thing
happening in our city related to alcohol. That's one of many reasons I
don't want to retire here. If Utah is quirky because people there
don't want drunk drivers around, then I guess I'm quirky too, and
proud of it.
Since most of the posters here are for the bill, can I assume you would also
support a bill that penalizes people who use a cell phone while driving? And when I say penalize, I mean the same penalties that are given to
those who would drive with .06 in their system.
"RocketScience"What is the purpose of the bill? Is it to
prevent drunk driving? Is written to make our roads safer? If it is
designed to make roads safer, why doesn't the Legislature also crack down
on using your cell phone while driving? A DUI can cost up to $10,000 and result
in jail time AND the loss of driving privideges. Shouldn't we
do the same for using your cell phone while driving?
The argument AGAINST lowering the blood alcohol level to .05 is that people
would not be able to go to a restaurant, drink some alcohol and drive home
without the risk of getting a DUI.Let that sink in for a minute.....
The 0.05 limit is a move in the right direction. But Utah should also adopt the
laws from the European countries. It seems to work. Really, how many deaths from
drunk driving is an acceptable number?
Hereandthere332 the law does not say you can't drink. It does not say you
can't exceed .05 or even .08, .1 or .2 if you want to. Little petite
ladies can drink all they want. The law does say don't drink
and drive above .05. There is a good slogan for us don't drink and drive
it's point O 5 Hint! It's about safety. Ask NTSB
I agree with the person in the article who said that it's sad that a group
would use scare tactics to try to push booze. If people want to travel to Utah
so they can drink and then drive, I want them to not come to Utah. Keep your
money, we'll get fewer tax dollars, but we'll also have fewer
devastated families because their loved one was killed or injured severely.
Open post to Governor Herbert: PLEASE sign this bill. I am all for it!
If you don't drink, you don't really understand the line between .05
and .08. A petite woman could blow a .05 after one drink. If this
law is signed, Utah is going to lose out to states that embrace adulthood. Utah: Life Regulated
I'd like to thank Colorado for legalizing marijuana. I grew up in
Colorado, and had been debating whether I should retire in Utah or "back
home". They made my decision to stay in Utah a no brainer.
Utah Businesses need to pull their membership from this Restaurant Association
for intentionally trying to sabotage Utah business. In any industry this is
If you think that Utah DUI laws are too stiff, check out laws in other
countries:Australia - Immediate loss of license for a minimum of six
months if it is your first offense and a permanent loss for your second offense
(source)Canada - First offence: $1,000 fine, 1-year driving
prohibition; second offence: 30 days jail, 2-year driving prohibition; third or
subsequent offence: 120 days jail, 3-year driving prohibition (source)England - Lose of license for a minimum 1 year (3 years for 2nd offence if
within 10 years), substantial fine and possibility of up to 6 months
imprisonment (source)France - Your car will be confiscated, three
year loss of license, possibility of one year in jail and a $1,000 fine (source)
where they make Champagne in the bottle and make a lot of money off of it.New Zealand - A fine of at least $1,000 and depending upon your age and
BAC level, the lose of your license for at least three months (source)Russia - A first-time offender convicted of a DUI can have their license
suspended for up to two years; In addition, knowingly allowing an intoxicated
person to drive can get your license suspended;
The ABI is one of many lobbying groups run by Rick Berman for his own
enrichment. Its funding is opaque, but its agenda is to increase the consumption
of alcohol, which makes any group that attempts to moderate alcoholic
consumption a target.The ABI has attacked MADD, the CDC, the AMA,
the NHTSA, the NTSB, and now Utah for efforts to reduce drunk driving. Groups
run by Berman have claimed that second hand smoke does not cause cancer, tanning
does not cause skin cancer, and so on.Being attacked by the ABI is a
sign that we're doing something right in the battle against drunk driving.
When doing the math this ruling makes sense. Add these facts together: Utah is one of the highest users of antidepressants.Studies show
increased alcohol consumption from those previously suffering alcohol issues
when prescribed an antidepressant. For three decades patients on antidepressants
have reported overwhelming cravings for alcohol & kids there have reported
taking antidepressants to magnify the effects of the alcohol they consume.One Northern UT officer reported giving 150 DUI citations in one month.
Of those citations one was for alcohol consumption, the rest for antidepressant
consumption - drugs whose labels warn against operating a vehicle.When you add all that together a lowering the limit to .05 does not seem out
Thanks to all the legislators for passing this new law. I also hope there will
be tougher consequences for drunk drivers, consequences that help them to see,
understand, and change. I'd like to also thank everyone who shared the
statistics from European nations that have already instituted the .05
blood/alcohol law and strict consequences. I have no sympathy for those who
choose to drink and drive. I hope that the day comes when everyone chooses not
to drink or take drugs.
Impartial7, you change the discussion and then say it makes Utah look foolish.
Keep focus, this bill is about public safety, no more, no less. Either
enforcement of .05 BA would make us more safe on public roads or it won't.
The National Transportation Safety Board has stated it would be more safe. That
is not foolish.
I have an idea. The drinkers could move to Colorado and the Utah housing
shortage will be alleviated.
Drink all you want, just don't get behind the wheel and drive if you have
been drinking. That is the message throughout Europe. The Europeans are way
ahead of the US on stiff penalties for dui and the 0.05 limit. This has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with not being
stupid. Go forward Gov with signing the billing, and become the smartest
and safest state in the Union. Tourism, restaurants and drinkers will adapt and
keep doing just fine, just like they have in Europe.If you are
unexpectedly over the limit. Take an Uber home. They are everywhere. Most skiers come here for the champagne powder that is so routine here
and the amazing terrain not the champagne in a bottle. If they drink too much
at dinner they will take an uber back to their Hotel. It is no big deal.
Why has no state in the US followed Norway's example and instituted a
mandatory three week jail term for people who drive under the influence?
Because everybody knows somebody who got a DUI at one point. They think that
"throw 'em in the slammer" is good for "those
people"--i.e., not me or my friends. But when your co-worker Marge's
husband--or your neighbor Jake--or your own 22 year old kid-- had a DUI at some
point, you think, well, maybe that's too severe a punishment. Of all the countries that permit alcohol at all, Norwegians have, by far, the
lowest rate of DUI. This translates into lower vehicle insurance costs and
lower incidence of disabilities. If Marge's husband had lived
in Norway, he probably wouldn't have gotten that DUI--because he would have
taken an Uber home.
Hopefully all the drunks, druggies, pot heads and stoners will end up in
Colorado. We could only hope.
As for getting buzzed responsibly, I'm not sure Colorado should be a role
model for any other state. The real loser here is the American
Beverage Institute. They have no problem with a few more drunk-driving deaths
if it helps their bottom line. No ethics or morals of any kind there. Sad that
they have any influence whatsoever in America today.
Impartial - You don't mention that Europe has school vouchers
where the tax money follows the student to the school of their choice, public or
private. I would love for us to adopt that European innovation.
Our governor and others are fond of pointing out that 25% of Utah driving
fatalities are caused by impaired driving so something must be done about
alcohol. OK, but where's the concern for the other 75%? Why is this state
continually raising the speed limit on our highways? Makes me think that this
might possibly have more to do with a hostility towards people who drink than a
real concern for safety.
The key to this article will be ignored by many. The NTSB came out four years
ago recommending the .05. My main question is why anyone is fighting this?
Shouldn't safe roads trump all. When Utah was the leader in going to .08
it didn't hurt, and all 50 states followed Utah. If you're impaired,
don't drive. And bars and restaurants that serve one patron multiple
drinks, where is your common sense.
Hey, Colorado (the pothead state), you're more than welcome to the .05
complainers who can visit your state and get buzzed on booze and weed at the
same time, legally.
Impartial-We would like to adopt things from Europe that work. Many
of the things you mention don't work.
Mock on colorado. Utah has the lowest drunk driver deaths in the nation. If you
want to make yourself look ridiculous by mocking a state with such an honorable
statistic, then Utah welcomes your foolishness.
Wah wah wah, Bottom line, if you drink don't drive. I have been involved
in two accidents caused by alcohol impaired driving. I have no sympathy of
those who drink and put others at risk. Please note the NTSB is
encouraging the .05 blood alcohol limit.
Clearly the drinking public is never happy. Part of this bill lowers the
"curtain" significantly and shrinks the space between schools and
drinking establishments. Pro- drinkers screamed that tourism was hurt because of
those laws. Tourism never was and clearly the old argument won't be
realized again. People don't come Utah to drink! They never have. What
brings folks to Utah is not going away, ever.
I have absolutely zero issue with this. If you want to go out and drink, have
at it. No one is saying you can't. What they are saying is you
can't do that "and" get behind the wheel of a car. Walk, taxi,
uber, lyft, mass transit, designate a friend.... what ever. Drink, but do so
responsibly.Again, no one is saying you can't have a blood
alcohol level greater than .05... they are just saying you can't drive and
have a blood alcohol level that high. And any attempt to learn from
Europe here is a good thing. Perhaps if this works, legislatures will also
figure out that europeans do a few other things right too.
Utah GOP legislators comparing us to Europe? Every time we ask for single payers
Health Care, like Europe, they say it's socialism. You know what else
Europe has other than .05 BAC laws? walkable, neighborhood pubs, along
neighborhood streets, not 4 lane roads. I don't see Utah allowing those
(kids might see them!). They also have convenient, cheap public transportation
that runs after the bars close. They also have $6-7/ gallon gasoline and build
central districts that encourage walking/biking. This bill is ridiculous and
makes Utah look foolish.
This will be hilarious looking back after CO and every other state passes the
@NoNamesAccepted My thoughts exactly! I would think that the citizenry of
Colorado would/should be distraught drunk drivers (that they have so
politically-correctly labeled "moderate social drinkers") are being
recruited to their roadways. If I were a citizen of CO, I would asking the state
to take legal action against the American Beverage Institute for irresponsibly
soliciting dangerous, if not illegal, behavior to CO.
@Brave Sir RobinYou stated "Wait, an association that makes money off
people drinking wants everyone to drink more?" With an 87% Utah State markup
on Alcohol products sold to the public, I think the association is doing fairly
Wait, an association that makes money off people drinking wants everyone to
drink more? I'm shocked. And no conflict of interest either.
Alcohol Driving Limits in the Alps Austria0.5 France0.5
Germany0.5 Italy0.5 Switzerland0.5
I really don't think .05 is a big deal. Officers can not just pull you over
without a primary offense and even then they can not give you a breathalyzer
first. They have to do other tests first and even then I think anyone at .05
could easily fight it unless there was a field blood test done.This
potential new limit is a big deal over nothing and if you are seriously that
worried then you shouln't be drinking and then driving.
If Colorado wants to court those who are so irresponsible as to drive after
drinking, they are more than welcome to have them.I used to work in
the hospitality industry catering to tourists. This was back in the days of not
being able to provide an alcohol menu until after the customer asked for it.I never had any complaints about our alcohol laws from those visiting
from Europe.I rarely had complaints about our alcohol laws from
those visiting from out-of-State. The rare complaint came from Californians.Those who complained the most about our laws being "weird" were
our own residents.Yes, I did know residency because I checked ID
like I was required to do. Forty year old Europeans didn't
mind a bit when asked for ID. Twenty-two year old Utahns acted like I'd
asked for a kidney.I'm thrilled Utah is working to reduce DUI.
I live in Utah because it is different than Colorado, California, Nevada, or NY.
I like the differences. Let those who want to drive after drinking
take their business and risks elsewhere. We are safer for it.
I'm okay with this. If you are driving like you are drunk enough to catch
a cop's attention and get pulled over, then blow a .06, guess what, you
were driving drunk enough to catch a cop's attention. We call it impaired
driving. If you can't keep it between the lines whether you blow a .05. or
a .09 doesn't matter, you attracted attention with your poor driving. Have
a drink, or many drinks, then walk to your hotel, Mr. Tourist. OR, go the to ski
resort, ski all day, drink a bottle then go to your room. Or, throw a party at
your house and drive everyone home. Gosh, it's easy. It is
nice to think of Utah as a state where the odds of you dying from a drunk driver
on a ski vacation are less than neighboring states. It's reassuring.
Utahns need to ignore naysaying purveyors of drugs and alcohol. THey do not care
about the welfare of your state, they only care about their own bottom line.