@desperate ute"...Until BYU can play 9 or 10 P5 teams a year,
then let's compare at that point. I will also predict that BYU will be 1-4
by the end of September....mark it down."*******Amazing, some ute fans want to talk about how tough their schedule is when
they compete in the worst division in P-5 football (the south hasn't won a
conference championship in 9 years and counting... the utes have never before
played in any conference championship (pac12 or otherwise).But here
is who the utes play under the umbrella of P-5 and then pound their chests on
SOS... OSU, WSU, Cal, AZ, and CO... these are 5 teams that are not considered
strong year in and year out by any objective measurement. Yet these same fans
who like to talk about how tough their schedules are belittle teams like Boise
State (a team that utah is 0-4 against since they became an FBS team over 20
years ago), or Toledo who knocked over Arkansas, or Houston that manhandled
FSU,Oklahoma and Louisville.Your implied logic that all P-5 teams
are better than G-5 teams makes no sense. If BYU goes 13-0 this year they will
have beaten some storied programs and will deserve Playoff consideration.
@uteology,et allBy any measure from any objective college football
evaluation source BYU is and always will be in our lifetime considered a greater
legacy football power than utah. (That comment actually extends beyond
Football... See the Director Cup Rankings and you pick the year)...Last year (August 2016) the AP ranked college football programs by strength
of program and effectiveness since the beginning of College Football... Ohio
State was #1, BYU was #34, and utah was #64 (behind such power houses as SMU,
WSU, and Navy... but just ahead of Kansas and Oregon State... But at least utah
made the top 100... congratulations).
@Y's little brother,Thank you for posting the Sagarin rating
that has BYU one spot in front of Utah. I have asked several times and yet to
get an answer pertaining to the Sagarin Rating System. I don't understand
how it works? Maybe you could explain it to me. It has to many confusing
results. For example, Michigan finished 3rd in that ranking system yet lost to
Ohio State and Florida State and had a lower SOS than both of those schools.
Same records, but lost to both of them. How does it work? How can that be
@ Ute-mythologyStill amused at your interest and venom towards a
team you claim is not your equal and you have left behind.The chance
of any 4 teams going undefeated in a season isn of course not going to happen.
But that was not the point of the exercise. The CFP selection
committee gives deference to certain teams over others. Utah is not one of
those. If it's a choice between an undefeated Utah and an undefeated P-5
Blue Blood, Utah gets left out. If it makes a difference, between an an
undefeated BYU and an undefeated P-5, BYU is left out.To be clear,
neither BYU or Utah has any chance of being undefeated this year.
@2BCSWINS - West of I15, UTMarch 22, 2017 7:20 a.m.@jelloisgood........."Michigan may not want to add Utah. (Been there, done
that.)"Agree they probably don't seeing how Utah has owned
them recently. Michigan would probably be ok adding the cougies as a cupcake
warm up game early on in the season. Seeing how last time the might cougies
played Michigan they had hard time cracking a 100 total yards for the game and
was taken to the woodshed.-----------------------Why so
much shade and hate? Utah is a good program and has had the best of BYU lately.
Good for them. Is it possible for you to have a football discussion without so
UteologyRegardless of how U frantically try spin it,Consensus National Championship > BCS win or CFP rankingOnly a
desperate Utah fan would try to claim thatsomething less than #1 is "greater" than #1Unfortunately for U, the closest
U will ever get to a Crystal Football National Championship Trophy is the one
proudly displayed in BYU's Legacy Hall of Fame.#1/#1 BYU >
@jelloisgood........."Michigan may not want to add Utah. (Been there, done
that.)"Agree they probably don't seeing how Utah has owned
them recently. Michigan would probably be ok adding the cougies as a cupcake
warm up game early on in the season. Seeing how last time the might cougies
played Michigan they had hard time cracking a 100 total yards for the game and
was taken to the woodshed.
@TrueBlueFact: Under BCS system, BYU never finished ranked higher
than BCS #14.Fact: Under the CFP, BYU has yet to crack the poll.Your glory years 2006-2010, you beat 3 ranked teams which explaines fact
#1. Counting 11 win seasons is hilarious, see Western Michigan 2016.
@TrueBlueI am not counting irrelevant MWC titles, you are. Utah,
TCU, and Boise define accomplishments as BCS wins.@JelloWhat cracks me up is your disparate scenario has 0% chance of occurring and
you needed a Ute to teach you. In fact BYU is more likely to go undefeated.
Uteology"For laughs, BYU was never ranked higher than #14 in
league owned by Utah and TCU."For laughs, U should review your
lifetime history compared to BYU's recent history, starting with the
Whittingham era:2006 #16/#15 BYU(11-2); unranked Utah(8-5); BYU won
head-to-head and CC2007 #14/#15 BYU 11-2); unranked Utah(9-4); BYU won
head-to-head and CC2008 #25/#21 BYU(10-3); #2/#4 Utah(13-0); Utah won
head-to-head and CC2009 #12/#12 BYU(11-2); #18/#18 Utah(10-3); BYU won
head-to-headBYU had more 11+ win, Top 15 finishes from 2006 to 2009,
than Utah has had in their entire history.Bronco won TWICE as many
MWC championships than Whittingham in the conference you clueless claim Utah
@Uteology "Utah 13-0Alabama 13-0Ohio State 13-0Oklahoma 13-0Florida State 13-0Then: Utah is left out. You
know it and I know it. But will you admit it..------More
BYU "fan" fantasy. Alabama plays FSU.Ohio State
plays Oklahoma."----------------The fact that you
all actually looked up the schedules of these teams cracks me up.A
couple of things: While Alabama plays FSU and OSU plays Oklahoma in OOC games,
Utah plays BYU and who else? That's the reason they would be left out.So for the sake of argument I will switch out Michigan for Ohio State
and Clemson for FSU.You all crack me up. Enough of make believe.BYU 10-3Utah 8-4You break a couple of your streaks
this year. What will you brag about then.
PACute_ - Salt Lake City, UtahMarch 20, 2017 2:24 p.m.1979 11-1
#13/#121980 12-1 #12/#121981 11-2 #13/#111982 8-41983
11-1 #7/#71984 13-0 #1/#1As much as Utah fans like to pretend
that the Utes are one of the "big boys", the Utes have never even come
close to matching BYU's 1979 to 1984 record...EVER!-------Boise lite, Boise in the WAC was significantly better
during the BCS era.Yet Boise, unlike Utah, never cracked the BCS
top 6 auto-qualify standards. For laughs, BYU was never ranked higher than
#14 in league owned by Utah and TCU.
@Jello Utah 13-0Alabama 13-0Ohio State 13-0Oklahoma 13-0Florida State 13-0Then: Utah is left out. You
know it and I know it. But will you admit it..------More
BYU "fan" fantasy. Alabama plays FSU.Ohio State
Jello,Actually FSU plays Alabama next year so there goes one of
them. Try, try again. I'm out; Peace!
@SoonerUte - Salt Lake City, UTMarch 21, 2017 3:28 p.m."That is correct. Utah would be left out because of a weak non-conference
schedule.However, if the legislature allows Utah to drop BYU and add
a team like Michigan again, then THAT undefeated Ute team gets in."----------------Many things inconsistent with your conjecture.1. Legislature had nothing to do with football scheduling.2.
Dropping BYU would actually lower your SOS.3. You could drop SUU or San
Jose St. right now and add Michigan.4. Michigan may not want to add Utah.
(Been there, done that.)And even with all that, Utah might still get
left out. I don't know for sure if they would, but boat boy asked for a
scenario in which an undefeated Utah team gets left out. I provided one, n o
matter how unlikely.
@Spokane Ute - Spokane, WAMarch 21, 2017 3:06 p.m."Jello
Boyand the odds of that happening are?Nil, zilch, zero,
nadda . . and you know it."Oh, I agree completely. I also agree
that there is no chance BYU goes undefeated this year either. But that
wasn't the question posed by Nasal. He asked for a scenario in which Utah
went undefeated and was left out. I just provided one.
The Jello ScenarioUtah 13-0Alabama 13-0Ohio State 13-0Oklahoma 13-0Florida State 13-0Utah is left out. ----------That is correct. Utah would be left out because of a weak
non-conference schedule.However, if the legislature allows Utah to
drop BYU and add a team like Michigan again, then THAT undefeated Ute team gets
Jello Boyand the odds of that happening are?Nil, zilch,
zero, nadda . . and you know it.
Utah and bama would be in. The other 3 play in weaker conferences. probably fsu
would get left out.
Navy boy:If:Utah 13-0Alabama 13-0Ohio State
13-0Oklahoma 13-0Florida State 13-0Then: Utah is left
out. You know it and I know it. But will you admit it....
Again our most obsessed fan from philly has visited our BYU space again to
pontificate on his vast wisdom on all things BYU football. As I have stated
before, he would rather be in LES booing tan in RES cheering. Looked for you
comments on the Utah articles but wasn't able to find them. Did I miss
@ naval - "An undefeated Utah gets into the CFP. An undefeated midmajor like
the Y does not, because their SOS will be too weak."CBS projects
Utah's SOS at 29 and BYU's at 41. I tend to agree that's about
right. Take out BYU's 13th game against Hawaii and it would climb a couple
more points.Oregon, USC, Arizona, Colorado and Washington are all
projected with easier SOS than BYU. So if they go undefeated, they won't
get into CFP either? If BYU goes undefeated (which I don't think they
will), and don't get into the CFP it will be because of elitism, not
SOS.Remember the same thing U were preaching against 10 years ago,
until U became one of the elite. Just think what would have happened if someone
said U're SOS was too weak in 2008 to play Alabama. It was certainly lower
than BYU's this year.
Tomahawk Red:...and don't forget about the Y's
"stellar" 0-for-forever records vs. Iowa St and USC as well!
Sanefan:You said, “An undefeated Utah would lose a play off
[sic] birth to any 2 loss, maybe even a 3 loss, ‘blue blood.’”
And you were wrong. What happened with Ohio St. last year is entirely
irrelevant to the discussion at hand, since the BigTen champion – Penn St
– did not finish “undefeated”. Had PSU finished undefeated,
they would have gone to the playoff.Utah doesn’t need prior
year’s results to get into the playoff. And undefeated regular season
WILL suffice. An “undefeated” season would have entailed a 12-0
regular season record, plus an additional “W” in the CCG. So unless
you can give me an example of a 13-0 conference champion from a P5 league who
did NOT qualify for the CFP, you’ve got nothing.An
“undefeated” Utah gets into the CFP. An “undefeated”
midmajor like the Y does not, because their SOS will be too weak.
"It's insulting to Ute fans to presume or assume we don't know
BYU's accomplishments. I mean how could we forget? Especially when Y fans
never let us forget their history?"Desperate, you can't be
serious. So I first read this part of the article, laughed that someone
seriously put the time to write that and moved on. 60+ comments later a
pointless debate had ensued, topped by you saying BYU fans are forcing you to
read and post about BYU. Only you can come to do this. Some fans feel the need
to put rival fans in their place with broken record stats because the rival
keeps coming back over and over. If you didn't read and post, you
wouldn't blame BYU fans for this and that. I rarely, almost never, read
anything related to your school because I don't care. It's not cool to
put BYU fans down when you keep egging them on. You must have ten comments on
this blog alone. That's not an insult to you at all, it's obsession,
wouldn't you agree?
Uteanymous - Salt Lake City, UtahMarch 20, 2017 2:13 p.m."Nebraska hadn't lost a home opener since 1985 ( a 29-year winning
streak)."Well THAT is a great accomplishment! No matter how
crappy they were, I guess."Oklahoma finished #26 in the final AP
Poll, ONE vote out of the Top 25"The definition of GIANT I guess
has been seriously downgraded. In that case, Utah is a giant dominator."Versus Nebraska, Oklahoma and Texas combined BYU is 7-1 Utah is
0-6"Cool! Cherry-picked irrelevance! These are my favorite byu-p
smack items! Especially when Utah hasn't played any of those teams in
decades. LOL! Nice reach.Versus Michigan, Stanford, Alabama,
Louisville, West Virginia -- AND let's throw in Indiana and Kansas --
combined BYUP is 1-8, Utah is 16-4.LOLSee ya.
phantomblade - Salt Lake City, UtahMarch 20, 2017 1:57 p.m.tommy
redWhat's really embarrassing is the typical over-reaction by
our jealous friends on the hill.---------This is kind of
similar to the "truther" conspiracy stuff.For a long time,
we have been told we are supposed to be jealous of something in Provo. Yet, not
a single byu-p fan has been able to produce proof -- or even a specific claim--
for this.I wish someone would break through with some intel on
this.Maybe I can guess...Jealous of losing six in a
rooo... no that's not it.Jealous of being stuck in provvvv...
no that's not it.Jealous of playing such a tough schedddd... no
that's not it.Jealous of your conferennn... no that's not
it.Jealous of your NY6 or BCS bowwww... no that's not it.Jealous that you're always in the top 25 rankkkk... no that's
not it.Jealous that you are always the best team in the staaaa... no
that's not it.Jealous of your ancient national champppp... no
that's not it.Jealous that you're owned by the churrr...
no that's not it.Jealous that you always play on BYUttttt... no
that's not it.I can't come up with it.
@DesperadoUteDo really think that BYU fans are saying,
"We're going to the playoffs this year!" after reading this
article? If so, then I can only be grateful that I don't carry the same
level of paranoia about anything that the national media says about Utah. That seems like a very heavy burden to carry. Thank you for doing it for
Deep BlueMy point is that any PAC 12 team that goes undefeated is in
the playoff. Case in Point: Last year Washington played an awful non-conference
game; lost a game and still got in. I would like to expand on the further but
the Moderator only allows the pointed comments to flow in one direction. That,
and I would probably be labeled a "troll" since I am a Utah fan
commenting on BYU and the topic at hand. Have a great day.
NevadaCoug - Overton, NVMarch 20, 2017 1:18 p.m.Off the top of
my head?Beating Nebraska in their home opener...Beating
Oklahoma when they were ranked #3 in the nation...-------Those ain't giants.Oklahoma you can make some kind of
argument. Nebraska, uh, no.
Bluto says, "To all the usual suspects ( Ute trolls) with an obsession to
comment on every BYU article...Know this...."It's insulting
to Ute fans to presume or assume we don't know BYU's accomplishments.
I mean how could we forget? Especially when Y fans never let us forget their
history? But again, how do all of those accomplishments bring relevance to
BYU's current status in college football, especially since going
independent? You're unranked, non-P5, without a conference, have a losing
record against P5 teams, have been beaten by your arch rival the past 6
meetings....should I go on? The reason many Ute fans comment on BYU
articles is that BYU's program is the predominant point of discussion here
on the DN....and we know why....the common ownership of both entities (BYU and
DN). I'm here because I'm LDS, and choose to participate here instead
of subjecting myself to the other rag in town, which has a lot of anti-Mormon
sentiment. But notice that the DN doesn't cover Utah's Spring Program
like they do BYU's. That's not hard to notice. To me, a news source
should be balanced.
Riverton Cougar said, "Every time a national sports writer brings up BYU in
a positive light, here the Ute "fans" come in droves to discredit
it."Let's get real for a minute....and let's take off
our red and blue hats. You have to admit that the DN probably (most likely) has
a sports reporter that looks for these types of statements and articles from
anyone.....doesn't matter how lowly the source....and then posts it here.
They obviously don't do that with the Utes....some, but not much....and the
competitive newspaper 'cross town hardly ever posts these kinds of things
for either school. No one's trying to "discredit" some sports
writer's opinion because it's just that.....an opinion. What I take
issue with is that a good share of Y fans take these opinions as a real
possibility....darkhorse or not. It's just not realistic. And Ute fans
like to remind Y fans of that fact. And then there's always the Y fans who
have to dig into the Utes.....so your fans are hypocritical to think that
attempts at discrediting belong solely to Ute fans. But I think you know that.
To all the usual suspects ( Ute trolls) with an obsession to comment on every
BYU article...Know this....-BYU does not have to dream of a
Unanimous National Championship in football...Accomplished!-BYU does
not have to dream of a Heisman Trophy...Accomplished!-BYU does not
have dream of 17 National Award winners...Accomplished!-BYU does not
have to dream of producing a Super Bowl MVP...Accomplished!-BYU does
not have to dream of producing NFL MVPs...Accomplished!-BYU does not
have to dream of 23 Conference Championships in football, in the "Modern Era"...Accomplished!-BYU does not have to dream of
producing more All-Americans, Consensus All-Americans, All-Pro, Super Bowl and
NFL players than their rival...Accomplished!-BYU does not have to
dream of drawing 60+thousand fans a game...Accomplished!-BYU does
not have to dream of drawing 30k fans at an "AWAY"
game...Accomplished!BYU does not have to dream of becoming a
National Brand with an established Legacy...Accomplished!As for
"U" achieving the same? Keep dreaming!
@SanefanI have to agree with the Ute fans here. You are going a bit
overboard with your a two or three loss team would be chosen over Utah comment.
I personally, as a BYU fan, find that ridiculous. If Utah was undefeated at
season end they would be in, unless there were other undefeated teams with a
stronger SOS. If BYU was undefeated then they would get
considerations, but it wouldn't be a sure thing. I'd give them about a
30% chance of getting in, in the unlikely event that BYU was undefeated. That
most likely won't happen this year. The Ute's P5
affiliation does give them credibility, which is the reason why BYU tried so
hard to join the Big 12. BYU has advantages too, but none of them will guarantee
a playoff bid the way P5 affiliation does. It's naive and even ignorant to
"I'll gladly eat my words if any different....but I want you Cougar
fans to take note of this article, and the pure nonsensical comments that have
come from it."@Desperado UteSure will. I've
already witnessed the nonsensical comments that have come from it, mainly the
fact that yet again Ute "fans" are trying to pass this as
"self-declared national champions", when in reality this is just linking
to a CBS article about how some national sports writer thinks BYU is a darkhorse
contender for the playoffs. Reading the comments it is easy to see that BYU fans
don't expect to go undefeated, and even if they do many are skeptical of a
playoff invite.It is clear from these comments that Ute
"fans" care a whole lot about BYU, seemingly more than they care about
their own team. Every time a national sports writer brings up BYU in a positive
light, here the Ute "fans" come in droves to discredit it and mock BYU
fans for "creating hype", while they themselves ignore the fact that
unless everyone at ESPN and CBS are BYU fans, this is not coming from BYU fans.
It's a hard pill to swallow.
Y's Little Brother....thanks for the predictable history lesson. I suppose
it would be easy to pick a period of time that puts your team in a better
light.....so I can play that game too. Look at who leads the overall series for
one......that would be Utah.....by a long ways. But let's fast forward to
the current state of both teams rather than living in the past. In fact,
let's focus on since you've gone independent and we've been in
the PAC-12. You're losing. And it's a pattern. Live with it.Back to BYU's chances of getting into the playoffs. Not going to
happen. Live with that too.
Since 1965, BYU owns the series 29-22.
DesperateUteDespite your P5 bluster, Utah's schedule was only
marginally better than BYU's in 2016.Per Sagarin:#36 BYU(9-4) #75 SOS#37 Utah(9-4) #60 SOSPutting a P5 label
on a team, does NOT necessarily make them a strong opponent.#102
Arizona, #75 OSU, #70 UCLA, #90 ASU, #77 Oregon, and #69 Indiana are all proof
of that.Utah's 2nd best win of the entire 2016 season was
versus "lowly", Independent, #36 BYU.
U Utah 22National ChampionshipsBYU 1 > Utah noneHeisman TrophiesBYU 1 > Utah noneNational Hall of Fame
PlayersBYU 6 > Utah noneAP Top 25 FinishesBYU 17
> Utah 811+ Win SeasonsBYU 11 > Utah 2Conference ChampionshipsBYU 23 > Utah 5The ONLY reasons
Utah owns the overall series is U started with a 30-year head start, and then as
soon as BYU started to get competitive, beating U for the first time in 1942,
BYU had to start again from scratch in 1946, because, unlike U, BYU suspended
their football program from 1943 to 1945, because of World War II.
toosmartforyou said, "Finishing 3rd in the PAC12 Southern Division would be
an improvement for u but once again...." Improvement? We were the South
co-champions in 2015 and have been nationally ranked the past 3 seasons in the
CFP and AP Top 25. Improvement? And because your team is 0-6 against us since
going indy, that means your team would do infinitely worse. Take last
year....both teams were 9-4, yet Utah finished the year ranked in both polls
that matter...the CFP and AP. BYU? Crickets. And sure, you Cougar fans will
throw in the Sagarin rating....whoopee!"To predict the u will
finish 2nd in the Southern Division is to be, emotional and frantic" Tell
that to the many pundits and college football EXPERTS who've predicted that
for 2017, unlike someone with blue goggles on......So who's being frantic
and emotional? I think your halo is pinching."How many years as
members of the PAC u failed to go to a bowl game." 2 out of 6 seasons
isn't really a pattern, is it? And again, if BYU were given a similar
circumstance you would have done worse. 0-6, remember? Play 9 P5 teams a year
and then let's compare.
Spokane Ute"Utah started the season 6-0; 2 years ago and they
were slated for the playoffs."U were only "slated" for
the playoffs 6 games into the season IF you were able to FINISH the season
undefeated.Unfortunately for U, you proved that U were a pretender,
rather than a contender, by losing 3 of your next 5 games and dropping
completely out of the AP Top 25.Your reward for all of that
pretending, playing BYU in the Las Vegas Bowl.
Why are we even talking about what would or wouldn't happen if BYU went
undefeated? That scenario is so far fetched in and of itself at this point that
it just seems like a pointless conversation to have. And I am a hardcore BYU
fan. Go Cougars, prove me wrong if you can, and then we can have the
conversation of whether or not you deserve to be in the playoff.
Uteology"We last beat UW in 2015. BYU last beat Utah
at 2009."LOL at your cherry-picked, self-serving stats.BYU is 4-5 all-time versus Washington, with BYU winning 3 of the last 4Utah is 1-9 all-time versus Washington, with Utah losing 3 of 4 since joining
the PAC 12
BYU qualifies as a Cinderella after starting the season with LSU, Utah,
Wisconsin, and Boise St.? That qualifies as a Cinderella only if at best an 8-4
record could meet the Cinderella criteria.
@Uteanymous......."Versus Nebraska, Oklahoma and Texas combinedBYU is
7-1 Utah is 0-6"Versus Utah the mighty cougies are 0-6 the
last 6 meetings and the overall series it absolutely dominated by the utes, LOL!
@Sanefan..........."Guess we will probably never know, but if
you think a undefeated Utah in the PAC 12, as weak as it currently
stands"You're obviously not that sane of a fan if you call
the PAC 12 weak. The PAC 12 had more teams than any conference ranked in top 20
yet you call that weak? I assure you an undefeated Utah would 100% for sure be
in the playoff absolutely 0 doubt about that! They won't be however because
they simply have to much to replace losing so many guys to the NFL. That
combined with playing such a demanding week in week out schedule there is no way
they go undefeated anytime soon.
Sanefan - Wellsville, UTMarch 20, 2017 5:25 p.m.Navel Guess we will probably never know, --------Actually, we already do
know. Utah started the season 6-0; 2 years ago and they were slated for the
playoffs. Do you really hate Utah that bad so it clouds any rational thinking?
Aren't you the same person who continually tells everyone how weak the PAC
12 is in basketball? You know, the PAC 12 that went 8-1 last weekend. Your
hatred of Utah and the PAC 12 is pretty sad; but quite obvious.
@DesperadoUte Finishing 3rd in the PAC12 Southern Division would be an
improvement for u but once again, like Utah State, finishing somewhere in the
middle is, shall we say, mediocre? That's all u are capable of as
witnessed thus far in your participation in the conference of champions.Remember when UNLV beat you 27 - 0 and Whittingham's response was
"I don't know why we lost"? That was a statement to remember
forever.To predict the u will finish 2nd in the Southern Division is
to be, shall we use the words of Naval Vet,...emotional and frantic...or was it
frantic and emotional?You and you cohoerts that love to blast the Y
seem to forget how many years as members of the PAC u failed to go to a bowl
game. That's part of your stellar history of success, too.
@AZUTE If Utah was so great, why didn't they win a NC in 1984? Where is
their Heisman winner? The reason the Y won the NC in 1984 is they were the ONLY
undefeated team in the nation, and that includes all the present-day P-5
schools...every one.Utah has a real (unfair almost) advantage in
that their first 3 of 4 games every year are at home and they warm up with a
couple of cupcakes. Let them start on the road against a real team and see how
they fare.....likely not so well. So then they get real high national rankings
because they are in the PAC10.2. They never got those rankings prior to that.
And then comes November and they crash. How many times did they finish 5th in
the Southern Division? How many teams have failed to win the Southern Division?
Oh, just Utah, as Colorado passed them, leaving them in the dust.What, no Rose Bowl Invitation yet? (Shades of Arizona). No PAC12
Championship yet? No OC that lasts more than a year? A small stadium at 45,000
seats? And you call that a "program?"
@BlueThe trolls on these site care very much about BYU. Good for them. It
makes it more fun when BYU defies their dire predictions. As for UW, wake me
when Utah beats UW again.------We last beat UW in 2015.
BYU last beat Utah at 2009.Wake me when BYU
"fans" stop cheering for Team B over Team A accomplishments.
An undefeated, top 4, PAC-12 Utah team would be passed over by a 2 and 3 loss
team? LOLOnly in the fantasy of "fans" down south.Utah has been ranked in every CFP poll, I don't expect "fans" of
a team that has never been ranked to understand how CFP rankings work.BYU hasn't beat a P5 final ranked team since 1996, good luck making the
VariedHue"Jay, you do realize that BYU was listed first because
the teams were listed alphabetically, right?"True, but Kercheval
also implied that BYU may have the best chance of any darkhorse candidate at
cracking the playoffs :"Who better to take on the title of
college football’s Cinderella than the team who arguably best personifies
it?... In the three years of the College Football Playoff, no team outside the
Power Five has cracked the top four, but the Cougars have a chance with their
Jay, you do realize that BYU was listed first because the teams were listed
Sanefan,Utah commands much more respect than what you're desperately
trying to portray. Just ask the pollsters. And that respect is earned with their
play on the field, not conjectured in the off-season.
Navel Guess we will probably never know, but if you think a undefeated
Utah in the PAC 12, as weak as it currently stands, would get a pick over a 2
loss Oklahoma, Ohio State, Alabama, Clemson; then your way out of touch and
obviously didn't understand the ramifications of a team like Ohio State
going to the playoffs last year. They not only didn't win their Conference
Championship, they didn't even play in it and went to the Playoffs. So,
there ya go, no way a newcomer like Utah has a chance against something like
that. Now maybe if they have a run like BYU did in the late 70's early
80's, they will eventually get a shot. But the chance of that are worse
than my chance of winning the lottery.
azute1"BYU impressed voters so much prior to '84 that they
started off the year unranked."The ONLY reason BYU wasn't
ranked is because of the uncertainty of Bosco taking over for Young.As soon as Bosco demonstrated in the first nationally televised ESPN college
football game that he was an adequate replacement for Young, BYU immediately
shot into the Top 15 and quickly moved back into the Top 10.
Sanefan:"An undefeated Utah would lose a play off birth to any 2
loss, maybe even a 3 loss, 'blue blood.'" That sounded
"made up". Can you give us an example of a 2 or 3 loss "blue
blood" team who'd beaten Utah in the postseason following an undefeated
Utah season???Can you even give us an example of a ONE loss team
who'd beaten a regular season undefeated Utah team?No?I thought not. You just made that up. How frantic and emotional of you.
Yawn. More of the same.As for UofU, who cares? Nobody outside
SLCounty and a few die hards in the rest of the state. I enjoyed
seeing them beat Oregon a couple of years ago. They can beat UCLA too and
I'll smile. But for the most part I don't care what they do. I do care
what UW and BYU do. Every game. I don't disrespect Utah. I just don't
care.The trolls on these site care very much about BYU. Good for
them. It makes it more fun when BYU defies their dire predictions. As for UW,
wake me when Utah beats UW again.
DEW, nailed it. The Playoffs are for a select and privileged few "blue
bloods." There are only about 8-10 teams that qualify and NO Utah is not
one of them. An undefeated Utah would lose a play off birth to any 2 loss,
maybe even a 3 loss, "blue blood." Sorry folks that is the plain and
simple truth. Don't believe me, all you have to do is look at last years
rankings and who got what. What does that mean for BYU, the exact same thing.
They are both sitting in the same boat and it's not going to the playoffs,
@DesperadoUteI haven't seen a single BYU fan on these boards
state that the Cougs will win a national championship. The only mention of NC
has been by Ute fans in the form of, "BYU fans think...blah, blah...national
championship." None of us think BYU is going to the playoff this
year. Neither does Kercheaval. That's why he called the Cougs a
"darkhorse." A classic overreaction by Ute fans. BYU is
still at least a season away from making big strides IMO. There will be
continued progress this season, but that doesn't mean that the Y will have
big wins in the first four games of the season. I expect they'll start 1-3
and hopefully get things rolling after that. In any case, it's
way too early to tell how good any of these teams will be, but it's never
too early to be excited about BYU football.
I have Utah as a Cinderella in the Pac-12 South.
I think it's pretty dang hilarious how upset Ute fans get anytime BYU gets
any national attention. For some reason their ego's demand that they scour
the DNews, a BYU-biased newspaper (not a secret), I remind you, for any article
that says anything good about the Y. Your outrage says more about
your insecurity than I possibly could. Go Cougs!
I'll gladly eat my words if any different....but I want you Cougar fans to
take note of this article, and the pure nonsensical comments that have come from
it. This is nothing new....BYU fans predict these kinds of things at this time
of year EVERY year, and nothing EVER comes to fruition about it. And why?
It's simple really. Because BYU won an NC 33 years ago, it's as if
their fans feel entitled to another one....and in this day and age, because BYU
plays the kind of schedule they play, it will likely never happen. The
possibility is very thin for an undefeated season....and again, if....and
that's a BIG IF.....if BYU ends up undefeated, do they vie for a NC game?
Based on SOS alone....and say a big fat NO. If BYU loses to Utah
(again), LSU, Wisconsin and Boise State....stick a fork in them....in fact....if
they lose any of those games, making the playoffs is impossible for BYU.
That's not me being a Y hater or a Ute fan....that's just the
reality.Will Utah win the PAC-12 next year? No. I predict that
they have a good chance of finishing 2nd or 3rd in the South however. Many
college football pundits agree.
6 straight & counting & 11 of 14....Ownership.Ranked in
every single CFP Poll since its inception vs never ever ranked in it for even a
"By finishing in the Top 12 five out of six seasons, winning 66 of 75 games
(88%), and finishing their undefeated season on a 24-game winning streak, which
included beating three AP Top 25 teams, including #24 Air Force in 1984."byu impressed voters so much prior to '84 that they started off the
year unranked.The only reason they were w/in striking distance of
The NC late in the year was due exclusively to beating a vastly overrated PITT,
thus catapulting them high into the polls, before the voters realized how
absolutely pathetic PITT really was & by then it was too late fir them to
downgrade their mistake in inappropriately ranking byu so high....This, combined
w/playing against the 3rd weakest schedule nationally.And AF
finished the year unranked, as they only ranked 20 schools back then....byu
didn't even beat one single finish ranked opponent that year, period.
1979 11-1 #13/#121980 12-1 #12/#121981 11-2 #13/#111982 8-41983 11-1 #7/#71984 13-0 #1/#1As much as Utah fans like to
pretend that the Utes are one of the "big boys", the Utes have never
even come close to matching BYU's 1979 to 1984 record...EVER!
NevadaCoug"Beating Nebraska in their home opener, something that
NOBODY had done in years. "Nebraska hadn't lost a home
opener since 1985 ( a 29-year winning streak)."Beating Oklahoma
when they were ranked #3 in the nation."Oklahoma finished #26 in
the final AP Poll, ONE vote out of the Top 25, Versus Nebraska,
Oklahoma and Texas combinedBYU is 7-1 Utah is 0-6
But seriously folks!,CBS Sports is way off base about both schools...even
more so the the "links" articles on this site have always been.
tommy red"On target for yet another off season National
Championship! Embarrassing."What's really embarrassing is
the typical over-reaction by our jealous friends on the hill.Not a
single BYU fan has said that BYU is a serious candidate for another National
Championship.The ONLY thing BYU fans have said is that BYU's
schedule is such that an undefeated season would make BYU a serious candidate
for a playoff berth.Can you seriously argue that a team that beat
*#5 LSU and *#11 Wisconsin, along with Utah, Boise State, and Mississippi State,
in the first 7 weeks of the season wouldn't be a strong playoff candidate
for the remainder of the season as long as they stayed undefeated? *SportsIllustrated's Preseason Top 25 RankingsGuaranteed,
Utah fans will be proclaiming the Utes PAC 12 championship and playoff
contenders if the Utes start the season beating BYU, San Jose St, Arizona,
Stanford, and USC in the first 7 weeks of the season.
Navel vetEvery team in the nation is hoping for an undefeated
season. A BYU undefeated season may not result in being invited to the playoff,
but it is because the committee doesn't want to cast doubt on the
"Power 5" narrative/myth/monopoly, not because BYU wouldn't deserve
tinker bellBYU's 1984 National Championship wasn't won by
simply going undefeated against a schedule that was similar in strength to
Utah's 2004 schedule.No, BYU won the National Championship by
convincing the majority of voters from all five major selecting organizations
(including the AP and Coaches voters), that BYU was more deserving than any
other team of being designated the 1984 National Champions.How did
BYU do that?By finishing in the Top 12 five out of six seasons,
winning 66 of 75 games (88%), and finishing their undefeated season on a 24-game
winning streak, which included beating three AP Top 25 teams, including #24 Air
Force in 1984.1979 11-1 #13/#121980 12-1 #12/#121981
11-2 #13/#111982 8-41983 11-1 #7/#71984 13-0 #1/#1
"Can anyone tell us any time in recent memory that byu-p killed anyone
remotely approaching "giant" status?"Off the top of my
head?Beating Nebraska in their home opener, something that NOBODY
had done in years. ("Yeah, but Nebraska wasn't that good that year!
" Um, did you miss the part about doing something NOBODY had done in
years?)Beating Oklahoma when they were ranked #3 in the nation.
("Yeah, but they finished the season 8-5!" Yeah, after BYU knocked out
their Heisman-winning QB that first game of the season.)
Here we go again!On target for yet another offseason National
giant-killer," eh?Can anyone tell us any time in recent memory
that byu-p killed anyone remotely approaching "giant" status?LOL
@ love the kittens "If byu goes undefeated (for the 3rd time in history)
..."BYU-P has gone undefeated only once, 1984, with that stellar
schedule of opponents that went 61-85-3, placing their schedule 96th amongst 98
division 1A schools. Cinderella is a good term to describe that team.
Dark horse - a person or thing that emerges to prominence, especially in a
competition of some sort, or a contestant that seems unlikely to succeed. How
do U turn this into a discussion about BYU winning a national championship? Do I want a dark horse to break into the playoffs? Absolutely. Whether
it's BYU or someone else, it will take a dark horse breaking into the
playoffs, before the "elite" make another change. Did U forget when
Utah and TCU were the dark horse? U started the change from the BCS to the
playoff. Now that U've become one of the elites, U want to stop other
Cinderella stories from happening, even though you were a dark horse less than a
decade ago. Let's open the playoffs to 8 or 16 teams, and give
some dark horse candidates the chance to be a Cinderella.
Kercheval "the Cougars are talented enough to win many of those
games."The Cougars won't get there by winning "many" of
those games -- they'd have to win ALL of the games.A 3 year
history shows how the Committee ranks P5 conference members vs others.#1
13-0 Alabama#2 12-1 Clemson#3 11-1 Ohio State#4 12-1
Washington#15 13-0 Western Michigan#18 12-1 Houston (2015)#20
11-2 Boise State (2014)BYU is a bigger name than Western Michigan,
but they're not Alabama. I see a 13-0 BYU team cracking the top 10, but
not one of the top 4 slots.
This just in; Bad news for Utah fans. CBS Sports pick Utah to finish 6th
in the conference at 5-7. No bowling, no national championship this year.
Since this is not even preseason talk, but purely conjecture and wishful
thinking on the part of fans, this is what I hope for. I hope BYU goes
undefeated and finally gets some respect. I also hope Utah has finally found a
great Offensive coach (I really think they have!) and they also go undefeated.
U hope (perhaps a bit too wishfully) that USU gets back on track and also goes
undefeated. Lastly, I hope Weber State continues to grow and goes undefeated.
Obviously my wishful thinking is unlikely to happen, but that
doesn't stop me from wishing it would. The only way to make it happen is
to play the games. Win or lose, I like to follow these teams any way. Just one
more thing: I really hope the injury bug doesn't hit any of these teams.
byu-p making the playoffs is simply conjecture and hyperbole. So
lets revert to the facts, Six in a row
I predict that BYU will possibly win all their football games, or they might
lose some of them. And as a result they might get into the playoff, or they
might not, in which case they will go to a bowl game if they win at least 6
games and then also get invited to a bowl game. They will then win their
post-season game(s) if they get invited, or they might lose, but they will win
if they play better than their opponent(s) and outscore them. Go Cougars!
I know it is a little hard for ute trolls to focus but the DN article was merely
reporting on what CBS sports was stating. Sure, that reporter was looking for
something to write about but I don't think he is a BYU plant or fan. And,
as has been pointed out, to claim superiority for playing a major conference
schedule ignores the fact that in most of those conferences the bottom 1/2 are
generally poor teams. Sometimes consistently poor.It looks to be a good
season with plenty of opportunities for being a great season. What true fan is
not optimistic about the potential for their team? Why does this seem to grate
so much on the ute trolls?
I remember similar articles last year on how Taysom Hill was going to win the
You've really out done yourself, DNews. Bravo.
strom thurmondLOL at your jealous angst - BYU fans had absolutely
nothing to do with creating the article.
DesperadoUteDoesn't matter how many P5 teams you play, if U
suffer a meltdown every November and have zero chance of winning your
division.Unfortunately for U, you won't even make it through
mid-October this year before being eliminated from the division race.
@Naval VetI'm not making any wild predictions about BYU's
playoff chances. As a BYU fan, I also think, that they are somewhere between
slim and none (Show me, Cougars!).Having said that, your hypothetical and
hyperbole is equal to ours. A. You have the same chance of going undefeated
that we do. B. Playing 9 Power 5 teams, especially in your conference, means
playing only 4 or 5 good teams, and you get half of those at home. We'll
see about SOS when the time comes but what's the real difference between us
Its not even April yet.I'm not surprised, but usually we get
stories about locked in Heisman trophy winners first.With
expectations like these no wonder there is so much arrogance and bitterness for
the team down south.
It is a little early in doing this talk. Try some 15 years later then you decide
if BYU & Utah ever get a chance. See below and don't be disapointed.1. 4 team playoff is only for fewer P5 bigger boys.2. 6 team playoff,
same above.3. 8 team playoff, everyone in P5 will get the invite
(maybe)4. 16 team playoff, see above #3 for sure and just maybe BYU &
G5 (only one of them)5. Four mega conference will form and back to square
one above. In 6 years later.6. Correction, #5 if that happen the scrub out
#3 & #4 which will never happen but maybe #2 won't happen either.
Here we go.Special seasons and play off births.
I'm continually amused by the u fans claiming football knowledge, when in
reality, all they can bring is rancor, hyperbole and hope that someone outside
of a u alum actually care what they think.So, here is a replacement
of the hyperbole from the u fans with fact from a Cougar fan:BYU is
one of two teams not considered mid-major by the top two Football conferences in
the Country. Nope, that is not the PAC 10+2 in case you were wondering.BYU is the only team since 1984, outside of what the naysayers like to label
"mid-major", that has won a National Championship. There is
no u fan who is as smart a sports expert as is Kercheval. And Kercheval states
un-emotionally that BYU Cougars have a strong enough schedule to make the
playoffs. BYU's football schedule in 2017 is not as weak as
2016; And no professional sportscaster has yet claimed 2016 was weak .The bottom 6 teams in every so-called "Major" conference would not
compete against the top 3 of the MAC, MWC, Conference USA or the National
Champion of D-2 over the past ten years. (By virtue of head to head games)"Major" is not a label earned. "Major" is a gift of
association.Hope that helps the u fan.
Gotta luv the angst every such article spawns amongst our jealous little
brothers.Bottom line:BYU will once again have a strong
enough schedule in 2017 to be a playoff contender, IF they win.
Gotta love how the people who know least about college football,(Utah fans)
know so much more than people who follow it for a living. Gotta love the haters
on the hill.Secondly, utah will not go undefeated. in fact, if they
go .500 they will be very lucky, even in a watered down so-called power
Until BYU can play 9 or 10 P5 teams a year, then let's compare at that
point. I will also predict that BYU will be 1-4 by the end of September....mark
The national championship talk used to start around July-August on the Dnews.
The last 10 years it has gotten earlier and earlier. March? Why does the Dnews
do this to the BYU fan base? I'm starting to think it's a U fan
running the Dnews, purposely torturing Y fans year after year.
So, any season in which a team goes undefeated and in the process defeats 2
teams in the preseason top 15 and 5 teams in the pre-season top 30, they would
be heavily considered for the championship playoffs. Now sim sanity.
This is a 3 loss season, 2 at best. No playoff, but continued improvement.
Vanceone:I can deny it! The cougars SOS will be too weak to fit
into the Top-4. Last year's SOS wound up ranked 75th. This year's
SOS will be expected to be even WEAKER!If the Provo cats go
undefeated, they will NOT be in the playoff. On the other hand, if the Utes go
undefeated, we WILL be in the playoff. That's how that works when one team
always plays super weak midmajorey SOS, whilst the other always plays no less
than 9 Power 5 teams per year.
re: Vanceone1. I am a Ute fan2. I am not bitter3. If
byu goes undefeated they will probably not make the play offWhy you
ask? If byu goes undefeated (for the 3rd time in history) their opponents will
have a combined w/l that will preclude byu of consideration. I will spell it
out for you. The teams that byu plays will have terrible seasons, think MSU
last year. There will be no credibility to your season therefore, no playoff.
No! Please No! I thought the "National Title" talk left when Bronco
left. Please stop this nonsense. Utah has a better shot at the National Playoffs
than BYU and Utah has a 0.000000000000000001 percent chance. Come on!!! Enough
Sure, if BYU runs the table they'll be in the playoff. That's a
mighty big "if" though. And I'm a BYU guy. But no one
can deny that if BYU does go undefeated, they'll be in the playoff. Not
even bitter ute fans.