BYU positions breakdown — QB: From projected starter Mangum to those battling to back him up

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  • Ldsrm Spanish Fork, UT
    July 8, 2017 11:44 p.m.

    So funy how BYU is referred to as the little brother when Utah was actually stArted by the LDS church.

    I would now go to the real center for the article which is Byu football and saw how existed I am for the first game

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 17, 2017 11:27 a.m.

    @Riverton

    But no matter how much you deny, no matter how much you claim otherwise, the fact remains that BYU articles get a lot of comments, which is an indicator of their relevancy. If BYU truly were as irrelevant as the haters claimed, they wouldn't bother posting here. Do you go to Mercer articles and post about how irrelevant they are? I doubt it.

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    Did a Mercer player after a loss to Utah say "They’re low-class losers"?

    Did a Mercer player after a win over Utah say "I think the whole university and their fans and the organization is classless"?

    And yes Mercer and BYU are both irrelevant, according to all major polls.

  • TouchdownUtes Salt Lake City, UT
    May 17, 2017 8:26 a.m.

    Riverton Cougar said, "the fact remains that BYU articles get a lot of comments, which is an indicator of their relevancy."

    They get a lot of comments here on the DN because of the common ownership of the 2 entities. It's not because of their relevancy. They are relevant to BYU fans only.

    Ute fans post on Y articles to remind Y fans of that fact. BYU was relevant in the 80's (which Y fans are quick to remind us in an attempt to show us that they're relevant today)....but the landscape has definitely changed. BYU is without a P5 Conference, is independent, and is unranked in the 3 major polls (CFP, AP, and Coaches)....plus they've lost to their arch rival the past 11 out of 14 times, including 6 in a row.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    May 16, 2017 4:33 p.m.

    "BYU is known for producing great QBs?"

    Yes, with how obsessed you are with BYU you should know that.

    And I love how your best response to people picking Mangum as an MVP in that camp is to bring up a third MVP. I was merely pointing out that it was not BYU fans that put Mangum on the same level as Winston.

    And what do you mean by "BCS resume"? Does one have to play in a BCS bowl to have a "BCS resume"? What's funny is that even in that Utah's golden BCS decade BYU still finished with more top 25 finishes and 10+ win seasons than Utah had in their whole career!

    Oh, and it's not up to you to make claims about what is BYU's greatest accomplishment in the past 7 years.

    But no matter how much you deny, no matter how much you claim otherwise, the fact remains that BYU articles get a lot of comments, which is an indicator of their relevancy. If BYU truly were as irrelevant as the haters claimed, they wouldn't bother posting here. Do you go to Mercer articles and post about how irrelevant they are? I doubt it.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 16, 2017 3:31 p.m.

    @Riverton

    As we claimed? I believe it was the guys in charge of the Elite 11 QB camp that made Winston and Mangum co-MVPs, not BYU fans. Besides, when you go on a 2-year mission and you attend a university known for producing great QBs, you're likely to not have a ton of playing time until your upperclassman years.

    Thanks for your continued support in proving BYU's relevance.

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    BYU is known for producing great QBs? In what decade?

    Neal Burcham was also the co-MVP with Winston. But since 2015 you were comparing Mangum to Heisman Winston not to Burcham. Why is that considering Mangum QB rating is 118 while Winston's is 187?

    No, here's how I prove BYU's relevance:

    * ZERO CFP Rankings
    * No BCS Resume
    * Biggest accomplishment in 7 years: Losing to Utah by one point

  • Sunsang2005 Lindon, Utah Syracuse, UT
    May 16, 2017 11:29 a.m.

    Just win baby! Do it with class and you're a step ahead.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    May 16, 2017 11:10 a.m.

    "He has potential?

    He's not an 18 year old freshman, he's a 24 year old Junior that couldn't beat out a hobbling, one-dimensional QB last season."

    Yes he has potential. Even though he's 24 rather than 18 doesn't mean he has 6 years of significant college QB play under his belt. And your false assessment of Taysom Hill doesn't diminish Hill's athletic ability or leadership, and the fact that Mangum was the backup doesn't diminish Mangum's potential.

    "If he was at the same level as Winston, as you guys have claimed, then we would already be in the NFL."

    As we claimed? I believe it was the guys in charge of the Elite 11 QB camp that made Winston and Mangum co-MVPs, not BYU fans. Besides, when you go on a 2-year mission and you attend a university known for producing great QBs, you're likely to not have a ton of playing time until your upperclassman years.

    Thanks for your continued support in proving BYU's relevance.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 16, 2017 9:00 a.m.

    @Riverton Cougar - Riverton, UT
    May 16, 2017 7:41 a.m.
    He isn't as great as we would hope right now, the thing that has people excited (including the BYU-obsessed who frequent here, but for different reasons) is that he has great potential.

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    He has potential?

    He's not an 18 year old freshman, he's a 24 year old Junior that couldn't beat out a hobbling, one-dimensional QB last season.

    If he was at the same level as Winston, as you guys have claimed, then we would already be in the NFL.

  • Wallbanger Spanish Fork, UT
    May 16, 2017 8:33 a.m.

    Striker:

    First you say he's "one of the best the past few years" (which made no sense) then you revert to saying he's "well above average"?
    So which is it?

    What truly tells us how good a QB is, is who he's beaten. After the cougs mid-season schedule, he'll probably break all kinds of schools records, then all the Y fans will be thumping their chests saying..." see I told you he's the best"! Meanwhile, ignoring the fact he just beat up on a bunch of cup cupcakes.

    Jello is good' said it best...

    "No Mangum isn't, not yet. He didn't play last year and he was average the year before. I think he has a big upside, but lets not get ahead of ourselves."

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    May 16, 2017 7:41 a.m.

    He isn't as great as we would hope right now, the thing that has people excited (including the BYU-obsessed who frequent here, but for different reasons) is that he has great potential. Unfortunately Jake Heaps did, too, so we know not to get ahead of ourselves with potential alone.

    That being said, Tanner Mangum has already proven to be much better than Heaps was, so that's encouraging. I wouldn't be surprised if he is considered one of the nation's best QBs by the time he graduates.

  • TouchdownUtes Salt Lake City, UT
    May 16, 2017 7:35 a.m.

    "If Tanner Mangum was suiting up for the utes this year, they would have the best quarterback in the pac12."

    Yeah, right....tell that to Luke Falk, Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Jake Browning, and Justin Herbert, all of which are ranked higher than Tanner Mangum.

    Nice try.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    May 15, 2017 9:39 p.m.

    Seems to me, to be the 31st best we in all of college football this year coming off of exactly 1 start last year is actually pretty high praise. His to move up... or move down with real time game experience. And he will get it in a hurry.

    So, no excuses. He hasn't shown much of anything yet.

    Or, if you are a mind to speculate... if he takes up where he left off last season, he's going to start in a deep hole and be lucky to finish decent at best.

    But...

    If he finds the mojo he had before his mission, well then...

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 15, 2017 8:00 p.m.

    "If Tanner Mangum was suiting up for the utes this year, they would have the best quarterback in the pac12."

    Based upon what? His stellar performances against good P5 schools finishing w/winning records/final rankings?

    Other than a few Hail Mairys, what exactly has he accomplished against good opponents, particularly P5 opponents?

    He didn't exactly light up Wyoming/his Spring game, & he'll no longer have a stable of veteran WRs to work with, as well as a proven workhorse RB.

    He also has no running prowess to revert to when improvisation calls.

    He wouldn't even remotely be our best QB, nor The PAC-12's, period, end-of-story.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 15, 2017 7:47 p.m.

    @Striker - Omaha, NE
    May 15, 2017 2:24 p.m.
    "Didn't take long for the cougie persecution complex to show now did it?"

    Ha! Says the guy commenting on a BYU article about one of the best QBs in the nation the last few years.

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    This article isn't about Deshaun Watson.

    It's about the 2015 #49 rated QB in, Heisman Mangum.

  • Jello is Good ,
    May 15, 2017 6:28 p.m.

    @Striker - Omaha, NE
    May 15, 2017 2:24 p.m.

    "a BYU article about one of the best QBs in the nation the last few years."

    No Mangum isn't, not yet. He didn't play last year and he was average the year before. I think he has a big upside, but lets not get ahead of ourselves.

  • Jello is Good ,
    May 15, 2017 6:24 p.m.

    @TouchdownUtes - Salt Lake City, UT
    May 15, 2017 2:20 p.m.

    "Jello....I'm glad you differentiated between "realistic Y fans" and those who "predict the sky" however it is by no means realistic to project....even with a good year....that Tanner Mangum will maybe be drafted into the 1st round of the NFL Draft."

    I agree. That's why I said in my post if he had a GREAT year he would go after this year and possibly in the first round. But I more realistically predicted Mangum to be average to good and back next year,

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 15, 2017 5:59 p.m.

    The cougs hang their hats on their qb and a 31rst ranked one won't get them into the polls. They will be desperate to qualify for a bowl as the season winds down. go cougs.

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    May 15, 2017 5:28 p.m.

    Wall,
    It's just too easy. It's so easy to get you guys wound up. If you spent less time renting space in your mind over BYU and random internet comments just think how much time you'd then have to worry about your own team.

    Of course we know Tanner isn't the best, but he's well above average. If he wasn't, I guarantee you would not be reading this right now.

    It's just... too... easy.

  • BleedingBlue Provo, UT
    May 15, 2017 5:22 p.m.

    Magnum lacks that "Eye of the Tiger", that hunger to win on every down. He is good, but seems to be playing with a backyard mentality of having fun. He tends to throw into double coverage when he should throw the ball away. He waits too long to run when in trouble. With our schedule, he will be lucky to finish 6 games without injuries. Who ever is number 2 or even 3 should get some major game time in the middle to end of the schedule. If he stays healthy, we will go 9 - 4, winning 2 we should lose and losing 2 we should win. If he is injured, well, 7- 6 will be a hard ceiling.

  • Wallbanger Spanish Fork, UT
    May 15, 2017 5:02 p.m.

    Striker:

    "Ha! Says the guy commenting on a BYU article about one of the best QBs in the nation the last few years."

    This is why I read these comments, pure entertainment. How could Mangum be "one of the best QBs in the nation the last few years"? Are we counting football camps as well? He's only played one season as a starter, where he was quite decent, but definitely not great. Throwing 'Hail Mary's' all the time, and lucky he had tall receivers to snatch them is more luck than skill. He really needs to show strong against good P5 teams, not Mtn West teams. I obviously don't know Mangum personally, I'm sure he's a super nice guy, but let's wait another season or two before calling him "one of the best." I'm also sure Mangum will put up huge numbers the last half of next season. After October 14th, it's cruse control.

    Remember Kylie Fitts? One of the scariest DEs in the country. The last time Tanner faced him, he was running for dear life, and he's coming back this year!

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    May 15, 2017 4:54 p.m.

    @Scores

    USC has the best QB in the PAC12, followed by Washington's QB. But maybe you're right about Tanner, he could become really good.

    @ The rest of you guys

    Mangum was a pure passer in Bronco's spread offense. Not bad, not great. The article's criticism of the Wyoming game neglected to mention that it was played in a downpour, and that Mangum was getting his first start after Hill senselessly tried to hurdle two Utah State tacklers and came down on his arm and wrenched it.

    Mangum will be very good this year. Very good.

    By the way, 3 of Hill's injuries came from Utah State, and two of them were in kneel-down situations. Luckily, if he makes the Green Bay roster, he won't have to play Utah State anymore.

  • water rocket Magna, UT
    May 15, 2017 3:41 p.m.

    Why does the Deseret News give space on this comment board ABOUT BYU to BYU hating Ute fans? Please, DN, live up to your own policy of not using negative, hate filled comments. Either that, or stop denying my critical comments.

    As for Mangum and his back up QB's this season, Mangum didn't show well in the spring game, but his backups sure did. Was it a case of the jitters? Possibly. However, in high school, and in the elite eleven QB combine, he was fantastic. Trying to step in for Hill, who was an entirely different kind of QB, and an offense who was used to Hill's style, Mangum did admirably. With the strong lineup behind him, he will need to perform at a high level if he expects to keep the starting job. I like Tanner. I like his skills. I like his personality.

    As for the Utes, I am excited for their new offensive coach, and the QB's he has to work with. I believe Utah will have a much better offense this year. How is that for a comment about "the other team"?

  • Scores Idaho Falls, ID
    May 15, 2017 3:29 p.m.

    If Tanner Mangum was suiting up for the utes this year, they would have the best quarterback in the pac12.

  • Michigan Cougsfan68 Ann Arbor, MI
    May 15, 2017 3:20 p.m.

    Can the Ute faithful that post on here about how bad Tanner is remind us all how many Heisman trophies and National Championships that the QB from North Carolina won? Where was he rated before the draft? Wasn't Hunter Dimik supposed to be a high draft pick and where did he get drafted?

  • factcheck Salt Lake City, UT
    May 15, 2017 3:19 p.m.

    TouchdownUtes- "BYU's weak schedule" Are you sure about that? According to CBSSPorts, BYU has a preseason #41 ranked SOS. If you think that is weak, I guess that Texas Tech, Penn State, WV, Baylor, Georgia, Missouri, Ok St, Louisville, K-State, VIrginia, Miami, Va Tech Wisconsin have weaker schedules. Oh, and I forgot to mention Oregon, USC, Arizona, Colorado and Washington. Their schedule would put them right in the middle of the PAC12 SOS, one slot behind Utah.

  • DodgerDoug Salem, UT
    May 15, 2017 2:52 p.m.

    Haha Roscoe... obsessed so much you even want to go after my name and make fun of me. I don't care though, I expect it from BYU obsessed Utes. You even go so far as to STILL poke fun at Bronco with the Roscoe handle. That screams BYU obsession. Hahaha.

  • TouchdownUtes Salt Lake City, UT
    May 15, 2017 2:46 p.m.

    BleedCougarBlue.....just because Ute fans comment on this article does that make us QB jealous? Hardly. It is the epitome of Cougar fans for you to even suggest such. I would stack any of the Ute QB roster against your paltry Cougars anytime.

    See you in September when we'll make it 7 in a row.

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    May 15, 2017 2:34 p.m.

    Ahhhh....QB jealousy abounds yet again from our little brothers on the hill.

    Thanks for the 24/7/365 rent-free space in your head, boys!

    See you in September!

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    May 15, 2017 2:24 p.m.

    "Didn't take long for the cougie persecution complex to show now did it?"

    Ha! Says the guy commenting on a BYU article about one of the best QBs in the nation the last few years.

  • TouchdownUtes Salt Lake City, UT
    May 15, 2017 2:20 p.m.

    Jello....I'm glad you differentiated between "realistic Y fans" and those who "predict the sky" however it is by no means realistic to project....even with a good year....that Tanner Mangum will maybe be drafted into the 1st round of the NFL Draft. I base that on a couple of things. First of which is that BYU doesn't not have a good record against P5 teams since going independent...especially ranked teams. I don't see that changing with this year's schedule. Is it possible? Sure. But not likely. If Tanner is ranked 31st in the country, that doesn't equate to a 1st round draft pick. No way. BYU will likely start the season with 3-4 losses against P5 teams, and that doesn't bode well for Tanner's NFL aspirations.

  • brother roscoe Lehi, UT
    May 15, 2017 1:58 p.m.

    @ dodgerdougie
    Didn't take long for the cougie persecution complex to show now did it? Got news for ya dougie, that door swings both ways only us Ute fans don't cry about it. Its called a rivalry, what's the big deal?
    All that said here's to tyler heaving many, many hail marys next season!

  • Jello is Good ,
    May 15, 2017 1:44 p.m.

    @TouchdownUtes -

    "Regarding Mangum, Peavler says, "However, he has yet to arrive as one of the nation's elite."

    That statement isn't consistent with Y fans who've already predicted a Heisman Trophy for Mangum. And with BYU's weak schedule, especially from mid-October through end of November, we're likely not to see any trophy coming his way.

    All of the same hype was given for years about Taysom Hill. What we've consistently learned more than anything is that none of what Y fans predict comes to fruition."
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    Your statement is simply false. Some BYU fans get head of themselves and predict the sky. Here is what realistic BYU fans think. Taysom was a Heisman candidate after his first full year. Two devastating injuries removed him from the lineup and removed him from consideration. No realistic fan felt Taysom had any shot for the Heisman going in to last year.

    Realistic fans know that if you take away 3 hail Mary's, Mangum to date is an average QB with a big upside. Let's let the season play out. If he plays great, he's gone after the season and may be a 1st rounder. More likely he will play good and come back for his senior year

  • TouchdownUtes Salt Lake City, UT
    May 15, 2017 1:12 p.m.

    Uteology.....according to Steven Lassan of Athlon Sports, Mangum is the No. 31 quarterback in the FBS .....that being said do you really think that Mangum will go into the NFL? I know the next 2 seasons are not played out....but seriously.....I just don't see it happening. Even Taysom, who many predicted would win the Heisman and would be a high draft pick (neither of which happened) wasn't picked in the draft and is an "undrafted free agent." And Taysom is a double-threat in both the run and pass. Mangum.....good passer....not so good a runner.

  • DodgerDoug Salem, UT
    May 15, 2017 1:14 p.m.

    Didn't take long for the obsessed Ute fans to jump in and disparage anything BYU now did it!!! Ha! You guys are hilarious!

  • So. Cal Reader San Diego, CA
    May 15, 2017 12:39 p.m.

    Let's hope and pray for a healthy season for Mangum. If he were to get injured, there is a far greater gap between Mangum and Hoge than there was between Hill and Mangum. Gotta be honest, the quarterback gang behind Mangum looks very suspect. The O-Line better provide him extra protection!!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 15, 2017 12:24 p.m.

    @TouchdownUtes

    Two years ago Mangum was on par with Winston. He was an elite QB last year, who was going to transitioning to the NFL after is junior year. Unfortunately, last season he couldn't beat out a full back for the starting job at BYU so the NFL will have to wait.

  • TouchdownUtes Salt Lake City, UT
    May 15, 2017 11:18 a.m.

    Regarding Mangum, Peavler says, "However, he has yet to arrive as one of the nation's elite."

    That statement isn't consistent with Y fans who've already predicted a Heisman Trophy for Mangum. And with BYU's weak schedule, especially from mid-October through end of November, we're likely not to see any trophy coming his way.

    All of the same hype was given for years about Taysom Hill. What we've consistently learned more than anything is that none of what Y fans predict comes to fruition.

  • Gruncle Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    May 15, 2017 11:02 a.m.

    Here's hoping the Packers like his measurables enough to feel he's worth a contract and time to develop. If they can get him to develop the same kind of instincts as a passer that he has as a runner he could have a nice career with them.

  • Gruncle Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    May 15, 2017 11:02 a.m.

    "The Cougars will miss Hill's ability to pick up first downs and touchdowns with his feet. "

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    One only wonders what Hill's career might have been like had he learned to pick up first downs with his arm a bit more. Hill never broke completely from his desire to run and it seemed like a common theme each game when a play broke down and he tucked it to pick up a few yards, the TV announcers would point out open receivers downfield that he couldn't see because once he started running he shifted his focus to the would-be tacklers in front of him.