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Utah reps in lockstep on Russia, Bears Ears, health care

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  • IceCreamGhost Sandy, UT
    May 19, 2017 12:43 a.m.

    The Republican party is unrecognizable to me these days.
    Since when did Republicans willingly accept Russian influence in our elections? Why do we support tax cuts to the 1% at all costs and yet refuse to touch the budgets of the military? When did we become so anti-science?

    I want SMART SPENDING. I want legislation that is sensible and realistic and addresses problems. I want people with principles in office - that will work for their constituents and not just pander to whomever is donating to their superpac.

    The party has been taken over by the fringe elements and they care more about scoring points for their team and ideological purity than preserving America's institutional integrity and improving the country.

  • jparry Provo, UT
    May 16, 2017 10:04 p.m.

    Things happen fast in Washington. In the 24 hours since this interview took place, the case against Trump on Russia and Comey's firing has strengthened. And after the last few days of shifting stories and impetuous tweets, Trump aides in the White House are talking more and more openly with each passing 24 hours about how discouraging and even degrading it is to have to lie or equivocate for their boss. The sooner they get out, the better for their careers and their own personal integrity, not to mention the well-being of the US. I think the same advice for the same reasons would be a good idea for our state's congressional delegation to follow.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    May 16, 2017 3:52 p.m.

    What in Tucket? -said: "The Comey firing is a non issue no one is interested."

    Funny the likes would completely disagree with you.

    I find it strange that some commenters speak for the "majority" of American's and yet get so few likes and or people agreeing with them? Kinda like how Trump claims to be popular but can't prove it with anything except claiming the rest of the world is lying.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    May 16, 2017 2:34 p.m.

    As a GOP voter, let me say that none of these reps show any spine or conscience. The GOP has so completely lost its moral compass and Trump will drive them all over a cliff. I feel like many of my Democrat friends did when they said 'the party left them' in the past decades.

    Other than 'undo Obama's legacy' there is no agenda to the GOP government. No original ideas, no solutions, no morality. Whatever this POTUS does is legal and OK. Forget about his enormous conflicts of interest, his lechery towards woman and girls, his promoting of his own family into government, appointing of Alt Right media people in top security and strategy posts, etc.

    If Hilary had been elected and done one tenth of what Trump has done, the GOP and talk show hosts would have been calling for her head.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    May 16, 2017 2:24 p.m.

    Lockstep and lockmind.

    I watched this echo fest on TV last night and was thoroughly disgusted.

    As Stephen Covey once said, "When two people are of the same opinion, one of them is unnecessary."

    Or four, in this case.

  • oaklandaforlife SLC, UT
    May 16, 2017 2:09 p.m.

    With a vast majority of Americans now suffering from PTSD ( President Trump Stress Disorder) and with Trump's approval rating hovering in the mid twenties, it doesn't surprise me one little bit that Utah's fab four are in Goosesteps with Trump. Track records can paint a terrible picture for the future.

  • rroehale Salt Lake City, UT
    May 16, 2017 1:19 p.m.

    I really miss Jim Matheson.

  • wasatchcascade ,
    May 16, 2017 12:55 p.m.

    For 8 years a constant grousing (by the four) toward Obama, and now with king Trump there is a laudatory allegiance that is so surprising? And health care; all sought the demise of the ACA, and yet rushed, one bill and then the next, before a CBO scoring (that eventually came out after the first round) showing that 20-25 million would lose health care coverage; and most reports on the recent bill suggest that coverage of pre-existing conditions is in grave doubt; and that Medicaid coverage will shrink. Middle class American's with shrunken political clout and these politicos having only shallow understanding of premiums, deductibles and health care challenges. And then public lands - the history of public lands in the West is lost on all of them. Republicans for decades, ALWAYS opposing National Monuments and parks. No such parks would exist in Utah if they had their way, and the same "opposition" existed 60 plus years ago when Canyonlands/Arches were announced as a monument and then a N Park. All four though are of a tribe that also have their own media (of sorts) that toss softballs and pillows at them; who cares about facts when subjective reality can hold sway.

  • David Centerville, UT
    May 16, 2017 12:49 p.m.

    The reps do not believe Trump shared highly sensitive intel info with Russians. But what if he did? What would these distinguished representatives say then?

    Are they simply covering for Trump?

    Why is this question plausible?

    Is Trump fatigue already setting in?

    What will the Congressional elections look like in 2 years? The presidential election in 4 years?

    I'll go out on a limb and call it right now. Republicans will lose the House & Senate in 2 years. And Trump will lose the White House in 4 years.

    The battle ground is already being defined: any Republican supporting Trump will be described as weak, an enabler, and willing to compromise principle for political power. Trump is too easily baited into traps, and is left looking foolish.

    While Utah may still be safe for Republicans, across the country the Independents will vote Democrat in the next election, directly because of Trump's poor performance as president (in January 2016, a Gallup poll revealed 26% of Americans identified as Republican, 29% as Democrat, while Independents were 42%--a record high). The GOP depends on Independents to win, and Indies won't vote Trump again.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, UT
    May 16, 2017 12:45 p.m.

    After seeing how 50 years of democrat rule in Detroit destroyed that city I'm glad we elect conservatives here in Utah.

    How did Hillary's secret e-mails end up on Weiner's computer? If it is good for the goose isn't it good for the gander?

  • MBB Salt Lake City, UT
    May 16, 2017 12:35 p.m.

    Not one backbone among all of them.

  • Mike M Roy, UT
    May 16, 2017 12:37 p.m.

    I have a question for our so-called representatives. Since the American press was not allowed into the Oval office when President Trump met, and revealed highly classified Intel with Russian Ambassador Kislyak, and Foreign Minister Lavrov. And yet the Russian state run media outlet TASS reporters or photographers were allowed in during their meeting, does that also mean that the TASS personnel were also allowed to remain in the room, and were in fact present while Trump revealed the classified intelligence info with his Russian counterparts?

    This seems like it would be a rather important issue, and inquiring minds would like to know!

  • JBs Logan, UT
    May 16, 2017 12:36 p.m.

    @ third try screen name

    I would have been fine if the DN had used the term "goosestep" instead of "lockstep". A rose by any other name...

  • Lew Elton Jeppson Salt Lake City, UT
    May 16, 2017 12:35 p.m.

    @Cobabe "When their stories are in agreement, it means they arrived at similar conclusions after devoting their own consideration to the issues in question. "

    No, this is called party discipline. These people know if they differ from the party line even a little bit they will lose the base, and likely be gone from office (though the present situation is a completely new dynamic which these slow guys don't get yet).

    And the longer they can stay in the congress the more valuable they become when they leave and lobby for American capital.

    You see the problem isn't just government, it's the corporate establishment which wants favors from government. The system is totally corrupt and these guys show it!

  • JBs Logan, UT
    May 16, 2017 12:28 p.m.

    Not an individual thought amongst the lot of them. That is completely inappropriate. When will our representatives start representing the citizens of Utah by choosing statesmanship over party?

    While each of them can justify themselves all they want, it doesn't mean that what they are doing is right. It doesn't make statements true. It just means that they are unwilling to do what they have been sent to Washington to do.

  • Mike M Roy, UT
    May 16, 2017 12:05 p.m.

    This just in: Pachyderms are demanding that the Republican Party adopt a new mascot, they suggested that the jellyfish would be a suitable replacement.

  • dolce et decorum est Murray, UT
    May 16, 2017 11:15 a.m.

    “’There hasn't been exactly the smoking gun about collusion that some law has been violated,’ said Chaffetz.”

    Perhaps not “exactly”—but just as I don’t think, in the face of warning signs, one should wait before taking precautions until there is a dead body to accompany the fired bullet from a smoking gun, I think there are more than enough objective red flags here to call for and independent investigation.

  • louie Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 16, 2017 11:13 a.m.

    The majority of Americans want an independent investigator into Russian interference ion our election. The majority of Americans do not want Obamacare repealed. The majority of Utahns and Native Americans who reside in southeast Utah support Bear Ears Monument.

    I find that troubling that our entire congressional delegation in the House and probably in the Senate is against the will of majority in these matters.

  • Daedalus, Stephen ARVADA, CO
    May 16, 2017 10:53 a.m.

    "Road to Understanding" reads the background graphic behind the panel of Utah's Congressional synchronized swim team.

    This is a worthwhile destination for this group, despite how long and winding the road may seem to them and their constituents.

    And as the saying goes, a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.

    Based on their comments, seems they all are still working on tying their shoes.

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    May 16, 2017 10:51 a.m.

    "Lockstep" is a poor choice of words by those who make a living in communications. It conveys a rather harsh image if you ask me.

    I guess our congressional delegation should be grateful the DN didn't use the term "Goosestep."

  • Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    May 16, 2017 10:48 a.m.

    First line of the article: Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, said his faith in President Donald Trump was not shaken by reports that Trump gave highly classified information to Russian officials.

    What would it take, Jason, for you to lose your "faith" in President Trump?

    Would it be grabbing women where they don't want to be grabbed?
    Nope, you'd still have "faith" in him even then.

    Face it, there's nothing Trump could do to shake the "faith" of his supporters.
    Con men gonna con.

  • Spalding55 Placentia, CA
    May 16, 2017 10:15 a.m.

    Of course they are in lock step. If they do not follow the party line, they stand to lose their standings in committee, being censured by party leaders, and losing party support in primaries. They know which side their bread is buttered. It's like the sworn testimony on Capitol Hill of the Phillip Morris executives years ago when every one of them said the believed that "smoking did not cause lung cancer".

  • Lew Elton Jeppson Salt Lake City, UT
    May 16, 2017 10:07 a.m.

    @What in Tucket " As for Russia their danger is the same as ours, Islam and ISIS, and China. Much better if we can work with Russia. Russia was fine with the Dimms when Hillary and BIll were raking in millions from them, but since the election it is a turn around. Anything to bash Trump."

    There are more than two ways of looking at the world, not just the "Dimms" and Republicans.

    So you like the new capitalist Russia, do you? Turns out they are as expansionist and paranoid as ever. How do you explain that?

    Remember Russia has nukes, lots and lots of them. And they play Trump like a violin. We are in grave danger. A takeover by the Russians in the United States is possible.

    We have a president with the emotional maturity of a seven year old.

  • UtahTroutStalker Draper, UT
    May 16, 2017 9:49 a.m.

    @Flashback - Kearns, UT

    "Trump gets the benefit of the doubt until the gun actually smokes. We don't actually know what he told the Ruskkies. "

    General McMasters was in the room and confirmed that Trump bragged about his intel and that ISIS was planning on using a laptop to blow up a plane.

    That was a very, very dumb thing to do. The Russians could have sent that intel through themselves in order to see who we may have imbedded so they can take them out.

    Dump Trump!

  • Lia Sandy, UT
    May 16, 2017 9:40 a.m.

    Of COURSE they are....party over people...it's the Utah and GOP way.
    This is news?

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    May 16, 2017 9:39 a.m.

    This is why gerrymandering is so bad for America. The lemmings will take the whole country off a cliff if there are not alternative voices.

  • What in Tucket? Provo, UT
    May 16, 2017 9:19 a.m.

    The Comey firing is a non issue no one is interested. As for Russia their danger is the same as ours, Islam and ISIS, and China. Much better if we can work with Russia. Russia was fine with the Dimms when Hillary and BIll were raking in millions from them, but since the election it is a turn around. Anything to bash Trump.

  • There You Go Again St George, UT
    May 16, 2017 9:14 a.m.

    Lockstep...

    Since we're all about saving Americans from the size/cost of government...

    Whereas they all vote the same way...

    And we're told locals can do all the work...

    Let's figure out a way to keep their voting power but do away with 3 out of the 4 of them...

    Keep 1 for the comedic relief they provide.

    Think of the saving in salaries for each of them, their staffs, their travel, their mailouts etc..

    Let's do this thing!

  • MrLogic Brigham City, UT
    May 16, 2017 9:14 a.m.

    I would have a great deal more respect for these gentlemen if they would question something - anything - that President Trump did. I find that it is a very rare person that I agree with on 100% of everything. I don't agree with my wife 100% of the time (and I love her). If they would say that they like most of what he's doing, but perhaps he could adjust in this one way, I would have more respect for them. But they seem to follow too closely and agree too much.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    May 16, 2017 8:48 a.m.

    And these are the same guys that freaked out about Clinton's email server. Can you imagine their outrage if Clinton would have directly given classified information to the Russians? You can't make up this circus that is the Trump presidency and his puppets.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    May 16, 2017 8:35 a.m.

    Trump gets the benefit of the doubt until the gun actually smokes. We don't actually know what he told the Ruskkies. Until we have proof that actual intelligence was given to them, we leave him alone.

    If that proof comes down the pike, then we jump on Trump with both feet. And I'm sure our delegation will do the same.

    BTW, Hillary violated many laws with her private email server. Frankly her getting hacked may have been worse than Trump flapping his gums at the Russkies. It remains to be seen.

  • Thomas Thompson SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    May 16, 2017 8:32 a.m.

    Perhaps we should fire them in lockstep, too.

  • Bored to the point of THIS! Ogden, UT
    May 16, 2017 8:22 a.m.

    It's sad that we don't have an independent thinker in the bunch.

    When an event in the world occurs, I don't have to wonder how any of them will respond. I already know they'll take the GOP party line.

    Right and wrong has become a non-issue for our leaders. Sad but true!

  • DonO Draper, UT
    May 16, 2017 8:22 a.m.

    The fact that there was not even a hint of dissent or disagreement among them, on anything, shows that they are first and foremost political party hacks. Their representation of the people who gave them their jobs obviously trails somewhere behind loyalty to the Republican party.

    Jason Chaffetz cannot move along to Fox News soon enough. As for the rest of them, one can only hope that between now and November 2018 Utahns see the need to kick them to the curb and start over.

  • andyjaggy American Fork, UT
    May 16, 2017 8:15 a.m.

    Of course they are in lockstep, the Democratic and Republican parties demand total 100% compliance with their outlined platform, to deviate from that platform is to lose all financial and political backing by the party.

    I find it difficult to believe that out of dozens of major political issues every single representative just happens to have the exact same views. That's a statistical impossibility and proves that party loyalty is more important that what is actually best for America and her people.

    I'm conservative on many issues, but also liberal on a few, and it sure would be refreshing to see someone not simply fall into line with the party platform. I thought Trump might be that person but it is becoming clear that he is not.

  • Wasatch Al South Jordan, UT
    May 16, 2017 8:15 a.m.

    Our four representatives and two senators are becoming "Stepford wives" for Donald Trump. A year ago they were against his womanizing, and sex talk, now he is their hero. Trump has little use for congress and bypasses it with his countless executive orders and lambasts the judiciary endlessly. Our representatives have no concern and realization that he his attempting to destroy the separation of powers in the constitution and become the king.

    I believe most Utahns support national parks and national monuments, the good things about Obamacare, and are against sharing secret information with Russia. I can't believe we have six elected officials from Utah who are so out of touch with their constituents.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    May 16, 2017 8:09 a.m.

    Utah's delegation is out of touch not only with America, but also the Utah people, and further, out of touch with reality. Being so loyal to Trump is going to prove a serious mistake, in addition to the fact that they are abrogating their duty to act as a Constitutional check on the President. It really is quite shameful.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    May 16, 2017 8:03 a.m.

    kreese -asks? "Let me get this straight. Hillary's illegal private server was hacked, but Trump was giving the Russians information....according to "sources". What sources? We have so much false information floating around."

    Trump, Donald himself said it, so is that a good enough source? Probably not considering how Trump fans still give him a pass, even when the recording is played.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    May 16, 2017 7:43 a.m.

    @kreese;
    "Trump was giving the Russians information....according to "sources". What sources? We have so much false information floating around."

    Ummm. Trump's team first denied it, then Trump confirmed it himself. How long are you going to believe that all of Trump's missteps and dangerous actions are from "false information" and realize that Trump was a bad decision for America?

  • KatFitz27 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 16, 2017 7:39 a.m.

    The level of hypocrisy is astounding. Chaffetz will "lock Hillary up" and would have hounded her for her entire term with his committee 's investigations over emails to her own staff, but it's ok for Trump to stand in the same room with Russian operatives and laughingly give away top secret information. I just don't get it.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    May 16, 2017 7:33 a.m.

    Our delegation is making it crystal clear, they value party loyalty more than they value the rule of law. Turning a blind eye to treasonous behavior and reckless hypocrisy is the central theme of today's GOP.

  • stevo123 Driggs, ID
    May 16, 2017 7:08 a.m.

    Every Utahan will know someone who will suffer mightily under the new Republican health care law.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    May 16, 2017 7:07 a.m.

    If they're in lockstep (good phrasing, here) with Trump giving Russia classified info and putting source's lives in danger, than they are bordering on treason as well. The US will be weakened because our allies will be unwilling to share intelligence info with us for fear of exposure. Trump is weakening our national security and Utah GOP reps are allowing him to do so. If they had any allegiance to our Country, instead of their Party, they'd be demanding Trump's investigation and possible resignation.

  • Iron Rod Salt Lake City, UT
    May 16, 2017 7:01 a.m.

    Are the Utah voters in lock step with their representatives about Russia, Bears Ears and Health Insurance?

    Has any major news organizations done any surveys about these three items??

  • Laura Bilington Maple Valley, WA
    May 16, 2017 6:58 a.m.

    ""There hasn't been exactly the smoking gun about collusion that some law has been violated," said Chaffetz, who co-chairs the U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform."

    And yet he spent years investigating Hillary Clinton and her email server. Where was the smoking gun there?

    "Rep. Chris Stewart said he warned his colleagues of Russian officers trying to meddle with election long before November but believes there was no push for one specific candidate to be elected."

    He "believes". On what basis?

    "They believe Utah is best poised to take care of its vast public lands and its air pollution problem, without interference from federal managers." So why hasn't Utah done anything already? Are the feds stopping them?

    "The group was in unison on other issues, too."

    Indeed. They all believe that they need campaign contributions from the uber-rich, and that they'll get them if they get tax cuts. Re-election trumps any other consideration. Like good lemmings, they stick together and follow Dear Leader--right over the cliff. The problem is that they're taking the country with them.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    May 16, 2017 6:24 a.m.

    It's good to see Chaffetz agrees with the WP report that "sources and methods weren't revealed". This is like being arrested for burglary, but screaming "I didn't kill anyone!"

    But why the eagerness to give a pass to Trump on something Hillary was repeatedly hammered on - disclosing US intelligence?

    And why in the *world* were the Russians in the White House to begin with? They attacked our nation less than 6 months ago!

    The speed of forgiveness of Russia, which two weeks ago tried to undermine our ally, France - by Republicans! - is nothing short of stunning.

  • kreese Ivins, UT
    May 16, 2017 6:16 a.m.

    Let me get this straight. Hillary's illegal private server was hacked, but Trump was giving the Russians information....according to "sources". What sources? We have so much false information floating around.

  • Jim Cobabe Provo, UT
    May 16, 2017 2:14 a.m.

    Earlier this week, political reporting was all about touting supposed "contradictions". Today instead we hear about Utah political representatives being in "lockstep" with sources from the White House. It can prove challenging for readers of DN to discern the editorial intent in such stories. I would feel more confident about judging news sources without quite so much interpretive rhetoric. I believe Utah political leaders exhibit every sign of sufficient cognitive ability to think for themselves. When their stories are in agreement, it means they arrived at similar conclusions after devoting their own consideration to the issues in question. I trust their judgement with a great deal more confidence than I invest in the reporting of popular news sources.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    May 16, 2017 12:57 a.m.

    "They believe Utah is best poised to take care of its vast public lands and its air pollution problem, without interference from federal managers."

    So..... right now with Federal help/guidance, Utah is loosing the battle on air quality. These four believe that if the EPA stepped out of the discussion, that the Utah legislature would do more? That the EPA is preventing the state of Utah from implementing policy that would result in cleaner air?

    Cool if true. But I don't see how it is true. The EPA doesn't prevent states from doing more..... so if the state really wanted to improve air quality, no one in DC is preventing them from doing so. In fact the Trump administration has talked of doing exactly that though. They want to prevent California from enacting state emissions standards. Why..... don't know. If companies don't like California rules.... they can move operations elsewhere. Not sure why the current EPA leadership would try to prevent states from doing more.

  • Middle of the road Mormon South Jordan, UT
    May 16, 2017 12:50 a.m.

    Trump leaking classified materials to our adversaries....nope no problem there.

    We know best what to do with Bear's Ear's, let's open it up to mining interests so some folks can get rich and then leave us with scarred land and more pollution.

    Oh, and pollution - heck we can fix that too. We will all just stick our heads in the sand a little deeper and let the sand filter the air we breath.

    People of Utah need to wake up and vote the Four Horsemen here out of office soon.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 15, 2017 11:51 p.m.

    This was a very informative and productive opportunity to hear from our elected representatives. The questions were varied, and included some hostile issues.

    However, this format avoided the circus atmosphere created by agitators at recent town hall meetings. The officials got a chance to explain their positions and answer questions without the shouting, harassment and antics which would embarrass most kindergarten children.

    Well done to KSL for doing this. And, to the Representatives who showed why we like them to represent Utah in Congress.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    May 15, 2017 11:22 p.m.

    "Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, said his faith in President Donald Trump was not shaken by reports that Trump gave highly classified information to Russian officials."

    But we have from "Salon:"

    "...Trump summoned FBI Director James Comey to the White House for dinner and tried to get him to shut down the investigation of Trump’s Russia connections by asking him to pledge “loyalty." Three weeks later...Comey went before the House Intelligence Committee and announced that Trump, his campaign and transition team had been under criminal and counterintelligence investigation for more than nine months. Trump began complaining in tweets and interviews that the “Russia thing” was a “hoax” and “fake news.” When his transparent attempt to quash the investigation with public bullying didn’t work, Trump began complaining to aides about Comey and asking what could be done about him. ...Trump generated an entirely false story and used it to justify firing Comey. Tump lied about why he fired Comey, and almost immediately admitted firing him because he wanted the Russiagate investigation shut down, and Comey wouldn’t do it."

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    May 15, 2017 10:43 p.m.

    "Utah reps in lockstep on Russia, Bears Ears, health care."

    And may they all down in flames with him!