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With her daughter facing certain death in El Salvador, a mother had to make 'a terrible choice'

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  • AnotherPerspective Marceline, MO
    May 22, 2017 11:21 a.m.

    According to the doctrines of the Church, we cannot enter the celestial kingdom without abiding by God's laws. If that is the case and what we do on earth should reflect what they do in heaven (if we hope to build a Zion society), then why should we allow people into the country who do not abide by the laws of the land? It makes no sense. We don't allow people into temples without a recommend, either.

    There may be parents who have children who do not make it to the celestial kingdom, but do you think if they cry to God he will rewrite his laws? The answer is no. So then why is it we should rewrite the laws of the land that are meant to protect the people who live here?

    Instead, the Church should send retired seniors as missionaries who were professionals in their trades and fields of business to these countries to teach them the same skills, so the people there can lift themselves out of poverty. It makes no sense to bring people here to this country who cannot function because of language or economic barriers and who will only become a public charge.

    America cannot fix all the world's problems, so it becomes incumbent upon people everywhere to make efforts to do so themselves.

  • TSMontgomery Canada, 00
    May 22, 2017 9:57 a.m.

    Bravo Matthew LaPlante for a well-researched and well-written article. Let us remember that this gut-wrenching story is the result of 35 years of US policy in El Salvador--so spare me the "it's not our problem" response. (The failures of successive Salvadoran governments, especially from 1992-2009, is also part of the story, but no room here to discuss them.) In the 1980s thousands fled north to escape the civil war--which, in the name of fighting "communism", was being supported by the US government to the tune of almost a billion dollars a year. Of those, thousands found their way to Los Angeles where there was NO effort on the part of the US government to help them integrate, get an education or jobs. The result: development and explosive growth of increasingly lethal gangs. When the war ended, these gang members were shipped back to El Salvador where they have wrecked increasing havoc ever since. The US response has been minimal and, unsurprisingly, unhelpful. For readers who think I don't know what I'm talking about, I spent 25 years doing research in El Salvador, from 1979 to 2004. You can find my books on Amazon and many of my articles on academia.edu.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    May 18, 2017 12:46 p.m.

    Central America sadly is a war zone where the wiked rule. The answer is perplexing. America can't handle millions of immigrants even if they are good people. We are over 300 million now so we have reached an economic limit without degrading our own country into the same state. We certainly can't keep taking in uneducated people that offer nothing but welfare cases. Cases like this woman are a nightmare senerio and I could see US immigration policy granting exceptions for cases like this and bringing these few people in to the country and putting them on a fast path to citizenship. This wouldn't involve a large number of people. This woman deserves help and so does her daughter. It would be wonderful if we could save all the poor tortured people from African and Asia and Central and South America as well as the Ukraine but you would have to have a country 10 times the size of America with 10 times the economy.

  • Casey See Camarillo, CA
    May 18, 2017 12:30 p.m.

    Goldminer, you asked why not just get a plane ticket and fly here?

    First everyone needs to understand what it takes to fly to the United States. 1st is a passport. It doesn't matter if you are a US citizen or a citizen of another country, you cannot get on a plane coming to the United States.

    So, get a passport. Yes, but next, if you are not a US citizen, you must have a valid reason to come. A tourist VISA is the easiest, but it is required that you explain where you plan to visit. A young child under 16 traveling without an adult escort, who probably not be approved for a Tourist VISA.

    If a lot of children starting applying for a tourist VISA it would raise flags. I am sure a few people have tried it and probably have been successful.

  • Goldminer Salem, UT
    May 18, 2017 12:05 p.m.

    Carman: Your comment is worthy. How can we really, as a nation, help these nations get rid of their problem? El Salvador has had a corrupt, criminalized government since its inception. I am not even sure sending in US troops would solve the problem; it certainly hasn't done so in the Mid-East. And, frankly, unless the citizens rise up (as did our Fore- Fathers in 1776) and put their lives at risk for Freedom, it will not happen.

    Were I living there and my child was threatened, I would take action. And, BTW, where is the father in this, nothing was said about him?

  • Goldminer Salem, UT
    May 18, 2017 12:01 p.m.

    James E. you raise a good point. Why don't they just fly here with their family and see what happens?

    Our problem is world-wide and, frankly, is similar to problems that people have struggled with for millennia. We can NOT take in the world, and even if we did, would our lib/elites really be loving and caring? Or would they become the ruling bunch they are trying to become? And how would that help the people? It wouldn't.

    Frankly, as scripture shows repeatedly, that turning to God and following His principles is the ONLY way to be safe and even that will take strong action, too. We certainly are NOT seeing that happening even now, are we?

    The swamp DOES need to be cleaned out!

  • James E Tooele, UT
    May 18, 2017 10:18 a.m.

    Under the guise of compassion are we to absorb the entirety of the world's population, depriving our own children of the freedom and treasure we and our forefathers have prepared for them? Transporting en mass the youth of any nation to the U.S. not only harms us but harms the nation of origin by siphoning off the best of their generation reinforcing the feedback loop of destruction. It also relieves the pressure to change, protecting the evil taking root.

    In the past our attempts to help these nations has been criticized as colonialism or adventurism but now we see the price of non-interventionism. And so we are faced with a choice: intervention or isolation. Both are reasonable, both have advantages and disadvantages. However, the path we're on, non-interventionism with unlimited immigration, only leads to our destruction. And then we won't be helping anyone.

    As an aside, I've always wondered why people pay a Coyote thousands of dollars when they could fly to America with their child, first class no less, to any city for far less money on a tourism visa.

  • WasatchReb Provo, UT
    May 18, 2017 9:29 a.m.

    One major issue with many of these countries is the deportation of U.S. grown criminals back to their "home" country. It's certainly not the only issues they have, but having lived in Central America (yes, a mission many moons ago), and having traveled back and forth to Mexico, Central America, and South America for the past 20+ years for work, I've seen first hand the problems created by the U.S. just washing it's hands of the illegal immigrant "criminals", that were fostered and created to be criminals, in the U.S.

    The countries that these people were sent back to, had little to no planning or aid by the U.S. to handle the influx of violence that was sent back their way. In Guatemala, for example, many of the worst criminals were sent to a prison in Escuintla...which couldn't handle what was coming their way, and eventually the prisoners took over the prison, killed the guards and escaped to created havoc and unrest in a country that was just beginning to control the guerilla warfare that existed in teh 70s and early 80s.... now it's begun to spin out of control.

    The U.S. needs to control immigration, but can't just "wash it's hands" by simply deporting in mass, all the bad...

  • nicholdraper West Jordan, UT
    May 18, 2017 6:34 a.m.

    So a president should continue this sham that lets people into our country and treats them as second class citizens their entire lives? I am all for changing the racists quotas that the Democrats want. The Democrats want the illegal aliens to be their slave laborers. Change the quotas and make them legal or keep them out. But don't pretend that the progressive agenda of lawlessness is moral.

  • Gregory Hill Richboro, PA
    May 18, 2017 6:12 a.m.

    Unfortunately, the pattern of evil gangs that use violence and intimidation to plunder, profit and rule in blood and horror is ancient in Central America, if we believe the Book of Mormon's account of the Jaredite and Nephite civilizations, both extinct because they tolerated those secret combinations. The plight of innocents caught in these societies is heart-rending.

    I am a confessed liberal. I do believe that we ought to try to help those who flee this type of oppression, and that we ought to try to help the good souls who remain and choose to fight back against the gangs. How we most effectively help is unclear to me, however. The successes found in the Book of Mormon were pretty draconian at times, and in the end, unsuccessful over the "long haul."

  • Iron Rod Salt Lake City, UT
    May 18, 2017 3:21 a.m.

    Second try.
    First comment put on hold for unknown reason.

    What if we had these opinions of the majority of KSL posters when the Jews were fleeing the Holocaust before and during WWII?

    Would economic reasons or lack of valid Visa prohibit them from entering and staying in the US?

    Would we deport them back to their country of origin?

    Why are Cuban's treated differently than other Latins ?

  • Dot Northern Utah, UT
    May 17, 2017 10:55 p.m.

    We can't just keep accepting all illegals. The budget strain is enormous.

  • comments4us Brigham City, UT
    May 17, 2017 9:24 p.m.

    If gang violence is the only requirement for sending people to illegally enter another country, then where should we send the children of New York and Chicago? This mother is being misled by just another gang (of smugglers) and her daughter will be lucky if she does not end up in a human trafficking ring. If the mother has enough money to send her daughter to the U.S., then she has enough money to move herself and her daughter to a closer location away from the current gangs that are harassing them. The U.S. does not have unlimited resources to take in all the hardship cases of the world, as can be seen in our $20 trillion debt. Those countries' citizens are responsible for fixing what is wrong in their country rather than sending their problems to our country. This article is trying to mislead people into thinking that illegal immigration and breaking our laws and subverting our nation's security is justified just because these people have been misled into thinking that it's the only option. It's not.

  • Walt Nicholes Orem, UT
    May 17, 2017 8:09 p.m.

    Clearly, the solution is for Congress to change the immigration laws so that they can come here legally. But until Congress does, it is the sworn duty of the President and all officers of the law to enforce it.

    This article selects the most pathetic of all of the stories. Let us all feel appropriately guilty then, because guilt is the tool that Lucifer uses to estrange us from rationality.

    It is not the correct method to force the hand of Congress by flooding the nation with people who can't be here legally. So lets make a legal path and bring them all! If we can sort out those who will just form more gangs when they get here and keep them out, then lets destroy what was once the American dream for the sake of guilt. When we have become a third-world country maybe then the world will love us like its own.

    Really, is that what we want?

  • RRB SLC, UT
    May 17, 2017 4:59 p.m.

    LDS church position.
    "Families are meant to be together. Forced separation of working parents from their children weakens families and damages society," but adds: "We acknowledge that every nation has the right to enforce its laws and secure its borders. All persons subject to a nation's laws are accountable for their acts in relation to them."

    I disagree with the wording of one sentence, it should be "Forced separation of parents from their children for breaking our countries laws, weakens families and damages society," American families suffer the same. We should not be encouraging parents to send their children here alone, hoping for amnesty, and eventual sponsorship.

  • No One Of Consequence West Jordan, UT
    May 17, 2017 4:02 p.m.

    The coyotes are just a different kind of gang exploiting the people. There is a better way. They need to arm the good citizens to give them a chance against the gangs. They need to create a "well-regulated (trained) citizen militia," and let the honorable citizens take control of their country.

  • carman Wasatch Front, UT
    May 17, 2017 2:38 p.m.

    The answer is not to bring 1.5 billion people from all of the lawless, gang-infested, corrupted countries around the world. The answer is to help these people address the problems in their home countries. In Central America, we should be helping governments rid their countries of violent gangs. It will be a tough job, but it is a better solution than having the entire country move to the U.S. The problem is that it is not just the victims that come, but the criminals as well.

  • prelax Murray, UT
    May 17, 2017 1:38 p.m.

    Choose the right. We don't give compassion by rewarding illegal behavior.

    Millions of people died in Ireland before they could escape the famine, my grandmother took 11 years to come here legally with her sister.

    Encouraging people to come here illegally is against Gods laws, lying, stealing and coveting should not be a means. We already gave over a million green cards to central America in the 90's because of the unrest. The Nicaraguan Adjustment and Central American Relief Act (NACARA) Amnesty, 1997: An amnesty for close to one million illegal aliens from Central America. It's up to the government to decide, not foreign individuals.

  • RRB SLC, UT
    May 17, 2017 1:20 p.m.

    El Salvadore sounds bad with a muder rate of 80.94 per 100,000 inhabitants yearly. But then you look up St. Louis with 49.9 murders per 100,000, and Detroit at 43.5 per 100,000 and you realize that there are areas of this country that are just as bad.

    We have legal ways for people to send their children as refugees. We don't need people breaking our laws or others who support them.

  • hbeckett Colfax, CA
    May 17, 2017 12:54 p.m.

    this is a tragic situation we have got to change the course of events to help these people and their families they are not the problem in trying to make their lives better thank you for this article DN could it be sent on to our representatives in congress

  • Spellman789 Syracuse, UT
    May 17, 2017 12:20 p.m.

    I guess you don't really know what you would do unless you were in a similar situation. When you get to know people one on one their situation becomes more real and you can empathize on some level.

  • KentBrowning Houston, TX
    May 17, 2017 12:02 p.m.

    It is not undocumented migration. It is illegal immigration. President Trump is working very hard to keep Americans safe. The rule of law matters.

  • Bobster , 00
    May 17, 2017 11:33 a.m.

    I respectfully submit that not every person on the planet has a right to immigrate to the US because of instability and unrest in his or her home country. Imagine a dysfunctional family next door suddenly and without warning sending over two teenagers to live with you because they are being threatened by gangs. How long would you keep them? El Salvador is a small country with a relatively large population with a long history of political instability. The solution to this problem lies with the people of El Salvador, not the United States. Hiring a smuggler to illegally transport a daughter who has a 60% chance of being raped on the journey in order to protect her from being shot by a gang member is not a viable choice. It is a total abdication of parental responsibility. What keeps the gang member from shooting the parent who allowed the informant to escape? If things are so bad, why isn't the parent making the trip? This is a tragic situation, to be sure. But seeking to make villains of US law enforcement is not the answer.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    May 17, 2017 11:27 a.m.

    After all the pain and heartbreak and danger, to arrive here and be called a criminal for your mere existence is kind of amazing. This, a 'christian' nation, we're told.

  • Lazaro Salt Lake City, UT
    May 17, 2017 11:06 a.m.

    Having compassion towards your fellow human beings shouldn't be considered conservative or liberal. It's called being human.

  • IQ92 hi, UT
    May 17, 2017 10:13 a.m.

    Is there a non-liberal newspaper for Utahn's? Deseret News is no longer a choice.

  • happytobehere Fillmore, Utah
    May 17, 2017 10:08 a.m.

    I cannot even imagine.