from article: "also pays attention to how the pope and other Vatican
officials feel about controversial issues."Well Obama and
Democrats in power obviously pick and choose what they want to pay attention to
on what "Vatican officials feel about controversial issues.'If they actually paid real attention instead of giving lip service-- and using
the Vatican for its own ends--we would not have wholesale legal abortion and
"...Trump's racism, hatred toward all Muslims, his disdain for women
and minorities, or LGBTQ people..."All lies.
@ DN: Thanks for the article; I learned a lot about the Vatican and their
diplomatic efforts.@NoNamesAccepted: Thanks for showing some real
history of those appointed as Ambassadors to the Vatican and what the
Constitution says about the President appointing ambassadors. That was also
insightful to me.@Everyone: The Catholic Church has made some poor
decisions in the past as well as some wonderful, loving decisions. I invite
everyone to be less critical and not demand perfection of others, just as we
allow ourselves to be human and imperfect. Thanks.
The WORLD does not need a leader like Trump. (Feed the rich and
drain money from the poor.) I am sure Pope just loved him.
It is greatly to be hoped that the President will not embarrass himself, not to
mention us, by telling the Pope "I was just at the Vatican."
The papacy has not needed trump or the Presidency at large to any great extent.
It does not now, and will not in future.
Remember, please that Catholicism is no friend of human rights, unless you are a
Catholic male. Each and every murderous Fascist Dictator in Europe as
well as Middle and South America, had the blessing and support of the Vatican.
Priests and Nuns were executed in every Fascist Nation, with no active
condemnations of those Dictators from the Vatican. Germany, Italy,
Argentina, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Brazil, just to name a few, with the shameful
exception of Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy (majority Catholic Nations, then and
now) where both Hitler and Mussolini had the blessings of Pope Piux XII, as
well as the written promise of no Vatican interference. Those were Vatican and
Papal Concordats. Hitler was a Catholic. Before we expect any
interference by the Vatican against Trump's racism, hatred toward all
Muslims, his disdain for women and minorities, or LGBTQ people, remember the
hundreds of millions who have already been slaughtered in Catholic, Fascist
Nations.This Pope gives lip service to Human Rights, just as Popes have
done since WWII, with little or no actual opposition.Why? Follow the
money and list for power, as always.
@TAS: "my argument... with the American way of appointing people top
diplomatic posts. We would be better served by having career diplomats rather
than politicians as ambassadors."That may or may not be true.
But under Article 2, Section 2 of the United States Constitution, the President
gets to appoint Ambassadors with the advice and consent of the US Senate. And
since the nation began, Presidents (of all parties and personalities) have been
appointing a combination of well experienced diplomats, those with lots of
public service, seemingly average folks, and political friends. There is something to be said for professional experience and credentials.
But sometimes there is also great value in someone who has lived in the real
(private) world and has some common sense left, rather than always picking
lifetime bureaucrats, lawyers, or post certified cops for various government
NoName in St George, my argument is not with Trump personally, but with the
American way of appointing people top diplomatic posts. We would be better
served by having career diplomats rather than politicians as ambassadors.
I don't imagine Trump and the Pope will have much in common to work with,
but the Pope will try because that is who he is. I predict Trump will run his
mouth and embarrass the U.S., because that is who he is. As for the
others Trump will be meeting with on his trip, someone needs to lock
Trump's lips and throw away the key, then take away his cell phone so he
can't tweet. Sigh.
Just what embarrassing things will Donald say? It's been a few hours since
his last tweet.
The photo of the statue reminds me of how much the world owes to three great
leaders who had the courage to see communism (the ultimate progressivism) for
the evil it is and to fight it: Pope John Paul, President Reagan, and Lady
Thatcher.Whatever personal failings or public service shortfalls any
of these 3 had should be greatly overshadowed by the great service they rendered
to humanity in bringing about the downfall of the evil empire and the freeing of
Eastern Europe.As Churchill is remembered for keeping up the fight
against the Nazis when England stood alone, as the Greatest Generation is
remembered for winning the war against the Nazis, Fascists, and Imperial
Japanese, John Paul, Reagan, and Thatcher will be remembered for winning the
Cold War against communism.
@TAS:Folks really need to get off the anti-Trump bandwagon and look
at history.FDR sent the Postmaster General to normalize relations
with the Vatican.Nixon sent a personal representative, Henry Cabot
Lodge, who had been a US Senator and ambassador.Carter sent Robert
Wagner who had been Mayor of New York and served as Ambassador to Spain for one
year.Reagan sent William Wilson, who had no prior diplomatic
experience as a personal representative. Reagan then sent Francis Shakespeare
who had one year of diplomatic experience in Portugal at the time.HW
Bush appointed a long time diplomat to the post. Bill Clinton appointed Ray
Flynn, Lindy Boggs, and Jim Nicholson none of whom had any prior diplomatic
experience. W. Bush's two appointments had not previously
served as official diplomats, but one had previously been a Vatican
representative.Neither of Obama's appointments had prior
diplomatic experience. Mrs. Gingrich has similar government and
private-sector experience as many prior appointments from both parties.Nothing unusual about Trump's pick. But the Trump haters refuse to even
Trump is planing on lecturing the Saudi's about Islam, that should be
So what does Trump appoint as our diplomatic representative to the Vatican, the
wife of one of his big time supporters. She may be bright but has no diplomatic
experience. We need someone there who doesn't have to learn on the job.