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The stakes are high for Trump, the U.S. and the Vatican

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  • U. C. Professor ,
    May 19, 2017 12:53 p.m.

    Remember, please that Catholicism is no friend of human rights, unless you are a Catholic male.
    Each and every murderous Fascist Dictator in Europe as well as Middle and South America, had the blessing and support of the Vatican. Priests and Nuns were executed in every Fascist Nation, with no active condemnations of those Dictators from the Vatican. Germany,
    Italy, Argentina, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Brazil, just to name a few, with the shameful exception of Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy (majority Catholic Nations, then and now) where both Hitler and Mussolini had the blessings of Pope Piux XII, as well as the written promise of no Vatican interference. Those were Vatican and Papal Concordats. Hitler was a Catholic.
    Before we expect any interference by the Vatican against Trump's racism, hatred toward all Muslims, his disdain for women and minorities, or LGBTQ people, remember the hundreds of millions who have already been slaughtered in Catholic, Fascist Nations.
    This Pope gives lip service to Human Rights, just as Popes have done since WWII, with little or no actual opposition.
    Why? Follow the money and list for power, as always.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    May 18, 2017 4:32 p.m.

    @TAS: "my argument... with the American way of appointing people top diplomatic posts. We would be better served by having career diplomats rather than politicians as ambassadors."

    That may or may not be true. But under Article 2, Section 2 of the United States Constitution, the President gets to appoint Ambassadors with the advice and consent of the US Senate. And since the nation began, Presidents (of all parties and personalities) have been appointing a combination of well experienced diplomats, those with lots of public service, seemingly average folks, and political friends.

    There is something to be said for professional experience and credentials. But sometimes there is also great value in someone who has lived in the real (private) world and has some common sense left, rather than always picking lifetime bureaucrats, lawyers, or post certified cops for various government positions.

  • TAS Tehachapi, CA
    May 18, 2017 3:17 p.m.

    NoName in St George, my argument is not with Trump personally, but with the American way of appointing people top diplomatic posts. We would be better served by having career diplomats rather than politicians as ambassadors.

  • JBs Logan, UT
    May 18, 2017 3:14 p.m.

    I don't imagine Trump and the Pope will have much in common to work with, but the Pope will try because that is who he is. I predict Trump will run his mouth and embarrass the U.S., because that is who he is.

    As for the others Trump will be meeting with on his trip, someone needs to lock Trump's lips and throw away the key, then take away his cell phone so he can't tweet. Sigh.

  • The Real Maverick Spanish Fork, UT
    May 18, 2017 12:07 p.m.

    Just what embarrassing things will Donald say? It's been a few hours since his last tweet.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    May 18, 2017 12:04 p.m.

    The photo of the statue reminds me of how much the world owes to three great leaders who had the courage to see communism (the ultimate progressivism) for the evil it is and to fight it: Pope John Paul, President Reagan, and Lady Thatcher.

    Whatever personal failings or public service shortfalls any of these 3 had should be greatly overshadowed by the great service they rendered to humanity in bringing about the downfall of the evil empire and the freeing of Eastern Europe.

    As Churchill is remembered for keeping up the fight against the Nazis when England stood alone, as the Greatest Generation is remembered for winning the war against the Nazis, Fascists, and Imperial Japanese, John Paul, Reagan, and Thatcher will be remembered for winning the Cold War against communism.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    May 18, 2017 11:18 a.m.

    @TAS:

    Folks really need to get off the anti-Trump bandwagon and look at history.

    FDR sent the Postmaster General to normalize relations with the Vatican.

    Nixon sent a personal representative, Henry Cabot Lodge, who had been a US Senator and ambassador.

    Carter sent Robert Wagner who had been Mayor of New York and served as Ambassador to Spain for one year.

    Reagan sent William Wilson, who had no prior diplomatic experience as a personal representative. Reagan then sent Francis Shakespeare who had one year of diplomatic experience in Portugal at the time.

    HW Bush appointed a long time diplomat to the post. Bill Clinton appointed Ray Flynn, Lindy Boggs, and Jim Nicholson none of whom had any prior diplomatic experience.

    W. Bush's two appointments had not previously served as official diplomats, but one had previously been a Vatican representative.

    Neither of Obama's appointments had prior diplomatic experience.

    Mrs. Gingrich has similar government and private-sector experience as many prior appointments from both parties.

    Nothing unusual about Trump's pick. But the Trump haters refuse to even check history.

  • mcclark Salt Lake City, UT
    May 18, 2017 11:04 a.m.

    Trump is planing on lecturing the Saudi's about Islam, that should be interesting.

  • TAS Tehachapi, CA
    May 18, 2017 9:40 a.m.

    So what does Trump appoint as our diplomatic representative to the Vatican, the wife of one of his big time supporters. She may be bright but has no diplomatic experience. We need someone there who doesn't have to learn on the job.