Wallbanger"Thus creating major changes..."Major
changes - the CFP - that took THIRTY years to bring to fruition!It's absolutely hysterical how jealous Utah fans keep pounding the
nonsensical 1984 narrative.The truth is, split national
championships in 1990, 1991 and 1997 were the real impetus to creating a format
that would guarantee that the two best teams would meet each other in a
@WallbangerI'm glad you see the hypocrisy in Ute "fan"
comments as well.
WACerton coug:"Yet despite having WAY more talent, you could
only win by one point at home against that team""Besides,
why bring up margin of victory? I thought you Ute "fans" didn't
think that mattered in any way, shape, or form."Hello Mr
Pot...have you met Mr. Kettle?
WSU taking a page from little red. Run away for two years so you don't get
any owies. That conference has caught the fever. Hilarious.
"Love it that byu success now is measured by the size of their losses to
Utah."We don't measure our success by how much we lose to
the Utes. We bring it up because you haters think Utah's victory proves
their clear dominance and superiority over BYU, and we're bringing you back
to reality that they are not. It just doesn't seem to register, though. Can you imagine if BYU fans claimed that BYU has far surpassed Oklahoma;
BYU is clearly superior, BYU clearly has better talent, if BYU and OU played
regularly OU would only win about 1 in every 5 or so, etc.? Think it's
ridiculous? Well, that's how Ute "fans" sound.(Also, on
a side note, it's "BYU" not "byu"; these kinds of errors
don't help your credibility)"That #2/#4 finish happened by
beating multiple teams that FINISHED ranked. Not by barley beating a 6-5
Michigan team by 7 points, and no teams that finished the season in the final
top 25."And that's BYU's fault that their opponents
didn't finish in the top 20? The fact remains: BYU was the best team in
1984. Besides, why bring up margin of victory? I thought you Ute "fans"
didn't think that mattered in any way, shape, or form.
I remember going to rivalry games in the 80's - watching Steve Young
demolish my Utes, etc. byu fan sure enjoyed the rivalry back then, and
deservedly so. Today, the byu fan battle cry is "we came within
two points of beating Utah".Love it that byu success now is
measured by the size of their losses to Utah.It's a great day
to be a Ute!Go Utes!
chili corn dog-Austin, TX"like pretending that a #2/#4 finish is
somehow superior to winning a Consensus National Championship."Thus creating major changes in how one does actually get a NC (one of which,
the BCS) to make sure an embarrassment of a "NC" never happened like
that again. That #2/#4 finish happened by beating multiple teams
that FINISHED ranked. Not by barley beating a 6-5 Michigan team by 7 points, and
no teams that finished the season in the final top 25. Gotta love
the '84 talk. I'm sure all the recruits are super impressed by it, as
it was so recent and relevant in this century.
"And that's even at home against a team's 2nd game with a new HC,
OC, DC, offense, and defense."I'm just curious, what were
your excuses for the prior 5 losses to Utah? I remember one byu fan blaming the
loss in the Vegas Bowl because the sun was in Mangum's eyes. No joke,
that's what he claimed attributed to the loss. So I'd like to hear
your other excuses.
"LOL, you're kidding right? I guess winning the last 6 in a row
didn't contribute to the overall lead or winning 90% of the head to head
match ups in the last couple decades didn't contribute to overall
lead."Sure, it contributed. But 6 in a row isn't
"insurmountable". The lead became "insurmountable" a long time
ago. In 1964 Utah was up 37-5-4. It was enough that BYU's 19-2 streak still
had BYU about 15 games behind. I don't know how you can claim that the last
6 in a row caused Utah's overall record to be so large."You
cougie fans continue to give me good laughs on how completely blinded you get
and are completely delusional when it comes to being objective with the mighty
cougies."Wait.... You bring up "being objective". I
don't think that word means what you think it means, because you have
absolutely NONE."And it is so funny to see the blue faithful
resort to bragging about the margin of defeat against Utah."We
bring it up because if Utah was so much more superior, as the so-called
"objective" Ute "fans" say, then the margin of victory would be
way more than one point. And that's even at home against a team's 2nd
game with a new HC, OC, DC, offense, and defense.
Travis, as a true blue BYU fan, let me extend my congratulations to you and wish
you a successful NFL career. Stay healthy and all the best.
@Rivertoncougie.........."ou appreciate when people don't bring up
decades old accolades, but shortly before you brought up Utah's
insurmountable overall lead in the series. Tell me, when did Utah establish that
lead? Today, as in 2017? Or did Utah's lead come from something decades (or
a century) ago?"LOL, you're kidding right? I guess winning
the last 6 in a row didn't contribute to the overall lead or winning 90% of
the head to head match ups in the last couple decades didn't contribute to
overall lead. You cougie fans continue to give me good laughs on how completely
blinded you get and are completely delusional when it comes to being objective
with the mighty cougies.
Good luck, Travis!
It's hilarious how the kids on the hill whine about BYU fans clinging to
moral victories, while completely ignoring how Utah fans cling to
moral accomplishments,like pretending that a #2/#4 finish is somehow
superior to winning a Consensus National Championship.
@BYUHusker,The comment right before yours, literally one up from
yours was belittling TW and Utah and you're going to claim the only
belittling comes from Utah fans? LOL!
RivertonWAC coug:You keep clinging to those "moral
victories", you guys are absolute pros at that now. I'll cling to
this...2755 days since byu last beat Utah with combined scores of 170-107!
It appears Coach Leach decided he couldn't take the SOS hit by playing the
Cougs.And it is so funny to see the blue faithful resort to bragging
about the margin of defeat against Utah. My, how times have changed. 😂
I guess Coach Leach decided they couldn't take the hit in SOS. Why else
would he give up a sure win?Oh, wait... I wonder if the Cougs scheduled a
home and home with Wagner.
"Not to mention, six in a row, WAY more players sent to the NFL"Yet despite having WAY more talent, you could only win by one point at
home against that team, even when that team was installing a new offense, a new
defense, with a brand new HC, OC, and DC? Oh, and that new team/staff was only
in their second game together."and the insurmountable overall
lead in the series. (56-31) I'm glad for the many Y fans that I know,
actually admit Utah has completely surpassed byu the last quarter century, and
don't have to bring up decades old accolades to feel like they're
better or more relevant today, as in 2017."You appreciate when
people don't bring up decades old accolades, but shortly before you brought
up Utah's insurmountable overall lead in the series. Tell me, when did Utah
establish that lead? Today, as in 2017? Or did Utah's lead come from
something decades (or a century) ago?And many of the Ute fans that I
know realize that even right now BYU and Utah are about even overall. Of course,
they're not the haters I refer to. That's why I mention "according
to the haters", because the real Ute fans I know are more realistic.
Riverton coug:"BYU has always had a bowl game."No, really? Haven't fared too well in them, with a bowl record of
.414.I meant how the Y had a contract with the Poinsettia Bowl, which is
now gone. Nothing new on the table."Utah's supposed far
superior talent could only beat lowly (according to the haters) BYU by only one
point last year."Ah yes, that statement never gets old does it?
(According to the haters) But, when a team turns the ball over six times, and
still wins the game, as in, the final score, I would definitely say that team
does have superior talent. Not to mention, six in a row, WAY more players sent
to the NFL, and the insurmountable overall lead in the series. (56-31) I'm
glad for the many Y fans that I know, actually admit Utah has completely
surpassed byu the last quarter century, and don't have to bring up decades
old accolades to feel like they're better or more relevant today, as in
2017.Appreciate the honest answers from others about their opinion
of Indy. I think byu will do pretty well for the most part, but a lot seems too
uncertain, and not in a good way. But I'm sure it'll work itself out.
Best of luck though. 2 1/2 months until kick off!😁
@Rememberthreedecadesago:Doesn't it just drive you nuts that
Utah is putting so many people into the NFL? 16 NFL contracts just from last
year's team - including a first rounder - now Travis. You go
on pretending that Utah is just a party school. Continue mocking players your
team never beat. The only person that reflects badly on is you.Meanwhile, Utah will continue to graduate its athletes and put players into
the NFL.Go Utes!Seven in a row
BYU_Husker "The better schedules"A MWC schedule is 8 conference
games, leaving 4 non-conference. BYU could still schedule P5 schools in NFL
stadiums and play their conference schedule. November would mean something
again. You miss that."the ESPN deal"Is not all that
great. 5 home games televised at @ 1.5 million each. Have you seen the 2018
home slate? Tom Holmoe should write an apology to season ticket holders for
that schedule. But... it will be on television! "Has it been so
long that even Utah fans have forgotten how terrible the MWC is"It was
bad, but it IS better. More games are on TV, and the MWC often contends for
that G5 spot in the NY6. When Boise goes NY6 they bring home more money than
BYU.BYU could own the MWC reminding them of their WAC glory days.
Plus they could still schedule four P5 schools for national exposure. Its a
good opportunity, but pride stands in the way.
Way to go Bulldog! There is nobody with a bigger heart than Travis. And he
likes to hit.Go Utes!
This BYU fan prefers Independence. I am sympathetic to season tickets holders
leaving the stadium at 11:00 pm Thursday, or who would prefer a home game every
other week rather than having all of the home games in October. For fans outside
of Utah, Independence has been fantastic. The unusual game times make watching
games less disruptive, and the only games not available on basic cable are the
PAC 12 Network games. No other team plays at as many locations as BYU, so fans
anywhere in the country will be able to drive to a local game every other year.
It doesn't matter that Texas will only agree to a 2 for 1 contract; because
we are watching the games on TV, and if you are within driving distance of
Texas, the 2 for 1 is better.My only real concern is that lower
coaches salaries may result in second rate coaches. Coaches will build a resume
at BYU then transfer for higher salaries. Guy Holliday was happy at BYU, BYU was
happy with him. He received an offer from Utah, BYU was unable to match it.
Everybody was polite about the whole thing, and no one said anything about
money, but we all know that is why he left. Same job, similar environment, more
"no more guaranteed bowl games"BYU has always had a bowl
game."the cut backs at ESPN, most likely bring 'no renewed
contract'"Actually, that's not most likely; just
wishful thinking from the haters."or one for much, much
less"Again, that assumes ESPN won't renew."and a bunch of '2for 1s or '1 and done' from other P5
teams "BYU has been pretty successful at scheduling P5 teams,
even if some are 2-for-1 or 1 and done. By comparison, the only 1-for-1 game
with a P5 team the Utes have been able to schedule was Michigan, and context
suggests it had more to do with the at-the-time potential PAC/B1G scheduling
agreement which ultimately fell through."For byu leaving the Mtn
West, why are they still filling 1/3 to half their schedule WITH Mtn West
teams?"1/3 to half is better than 4/5. BYU gets better teams on
their schedule than they would in the MWC."Is it like their
recruiting, take what you can get, with an occasional good one, but hope for the
best?"Funny that you mention recruiting; BYU has limitations but
manages to do well with what they get. Utah's supposed far superior talent
could only beat lowly (according to the haters) BYU by only one point last year.
Washington State - "We have a chance to schedule Houston to a home and home.
Move BYU back as far as necessary". (A no brainer!)or was it
Northern Colorado or New Mexico that they scheduled and moved BYU back?
So, potentially being one of, if not the top team in the Mtn West, which would
give you better access to the CFP and or NY6 bowls, and consistent schedules
(yes, even Laramie) vs. no more guaranteed bowl games, the cut backs at ESPN,
most likely bring 'no renewed contract', or one for much, much less,
and a bunch of '2for 1s or '1 and done' from other P5 teams? For byu leaving the Mtn West, why are they still filling 1/3 to half
their schedule WITH Mtn West teams? Is it like their recruiting, take what you
can get, with an occasional good one, but hope for the best? I don't Sitake
sticking around for more than six or seven years, especially if he out does
If independence could be proven to be sustainable, I am actually one who would
prefer independence to a "power" conference; I happen to like the idea
of not being stuck playing the same teams all the time. The reality, of course,
is that we won't get the home-and-homes with USC, Texas, Michigan, Ohio
State, Alabama, Florida State et cetera without being in a "power"
conference, and we often don't get them to come to Provo even with a
two-for-one--or don't you think Tom Holmoe has tried? They're not
going to risk coming to Provo and leaving with a loss. So the best we can
currently do in many instances is the "neutral" site game close to the
home of the opponent. Going beyond that, even Notre Dame has a scheduling
agreement with the ACC to simplify things for themselves; how can BYU expect to
ever do better than that? But I wish we could; it suits BYU uniquely.
Wallbanger. You and I need to talk then, 'cause happiness is a relative
thing, and there are many Cougar fans who vastly prefer independence over the
Mountain West. BYU is not stuck with 8-9 games with MW teams, never has to go to
Laramie, and each year has the opportunity to play an interesting range of P5
teams. That said, certainly membership in a P5 conference would be
better, for some of the reasons you mention. So let me summarize it for you:
Mountain West Conference < Independence
Wallbanger,The only belittling I hear is from Utah fans. Case and
point: your post. BYU fans' view of independence is actually
quite simple - I'm sure most BYU fans would love for BYU to be in the
PAC-12 or another major conference, but since that doesn't seem to be
happening, independence is still preferable to the MWC, even with all of its
uncertainty. The better schedules, the ESPN deal (I really don't think
ESPN is in any danger), playing in NFL stadiums - these are are all preferable
to the MWC... by a long shot. Has it been so long that even Utah fans have
forgotten how terrible the MWC is (let alone a MWC that now doesn't have
BYU, Utah, or TCU in it), or do you just pretend we don't all share the
same WAC/MWC history?As for the article here, I think it's
awesome that Wilson signed a spot as a TE with the Rams. Hard work pays off,
and I wish him the best of luck.
Recruits, go to UofU and earn your degree and then you can sell T-Shirts for $12
an hour. Guess all that partying in college paid off. Where are you Chris B?
Can't see someone with his build EVER making a roster, (okay maybe the
Rams) in the NFL. Secondly, has he even played tight end?
I wish Travis all the best in the NFL. Guy has a heart of a lion. Wasn't
the most consistent QB for Utah, but did a lot for the team, and is tough as
nails!Of the many, many Y fans I know, I have never heard one say
they truly like independence. As I've always said, it's got too much
uncertainty, which would explain all the belittling of Utah in the PAC 12. A
place that coug fans wish their team could be. If you prefer Indy vs being in a
conference, tell us why? With the instability of ESPN and no more bowl tie-ins,
poor home games, and difficult scheduling, what's there to be optimistic
about? Besides the ancient accolades of the 80s.