@skywalker:"Stanford has a club sport ski team..."Directly from Stanford's ski team page:"Do you love
skiing? So do we! Joining the Stanford Ski Team is a great way to improve your
skiing, have a lot of fun, and meet a bunch of people who share your love for
the snow. We are primarily a racing team, competitive in slalom and giant
slalom, but anyone is welcome to join""And if you’re
still on the fence about joining even after all that, here are ten easy reasons
to join ski team:Access to a sweet Tahoe cabin from December to
MayDiscounted no-blackout pass to Squaw Valley and Alpine Meadows"Lol! A bunch of rich kids playing at Tahoe. Who could pass up that
sweet Tahoe cabin? That's why it is a club sport to Stanford. It would
never be sustainable as an NCAA sanctioned actual team. 200+ miles away from
campus is hardly close.Nice try!Go Utes!
Ron Swanson:“If BYU had been only competitive in the WAC then
the U would never have pushed to up its game. So take it from this U fan, it was
a rough day when the U decided to leave BYU behind, something BYU never did to
the U...”Total rubbish! Utah didn’t become competitive
because the Y propelled us to “up our game”. It became competitive
because of Dr. Hill had propelled us to do so.And the cougars never
left the U behind because they were loyal. They didn’t do so because they
had no other place to go. Make no mistake here – the Y has a long history
of NOT being a “team player”, and only looking out for themselves.
Furthermore, they have a history of inventing bogus tales of “secret
negotiations” with leagues bigger than the WAC and MWC. So while the
“option” to leave the U behind wasn’t there, the
“will” to do so clearly was!
Vegas Ute"what ski resorts are close to... Stanford?"Stanford has a club sport ski team...so much for that whiny
VegasUteDespite your whiny excuses, it's an undeniable fact
that there's so little competition in Skiing that the NCAA had to make it a
Coed competition just to keep it alive.The "National
Championship" is literally nothing more than a three team competition
between Denver, Colorado and Utah, which together have won 90% of the NCAA
Title IX is the only thing preventing Men's Volleyball from being a much
more popular sport. The immense popularity of Women's Volleyball is proof
of that.The exact same reason Women's Gymnastics is the most
popular sport on the hill, yet not "popular" enough for the Utes to
sponsor a Men's Gymnastics team.
@Road Runner:"a school that doesn't even have a football
team and plays basketball in the Summit League."Do they have a
mountain with a ski resort close by and money dedicated to the team? I would
think that has much more to do with having a successful ski team than where they
play basketball.Does Lewis or Loyola Chicago play football? In what
league do they play basketball? Should this matter to them being D1 men's
volleyball champions?We all know that byu would have a ski team if
events did not take place on Sundays. Unlike other sports, there is no way
around Sunday participation. Outside of that, byu would be there in a
heartbeat.Nice attempt at deflection.Go Utes!Onward!
@navalvet - you have to agree that had it not been for BYU's dominance in
the 1980s very little would have changed for any WAC teams. If BYU had been
only competitive in the WAC then the U would never have pushed to up its game.
So take it from this U fan, it was a rough day when the U decided to leave BYU
behind, something BYU never did to the U...Deciding to sponsor D1
Lacrosse is one more sign that Dr Hill is only interested in the money side of
things. I wonder how much he really cares about student-athlete development.Civil dialog is the only good course here.
@Road Runner:Unlike men's volleyball, skiing requires an
intense amount of equipment, travel costs (even to a schools home ski resort,
and - most importantly - needs an actual mountain within a reasonable distance
with actual snow. This severely limits that amount of schools that can field
ski teams.Every single gymnasium in this country, and most LDS
cultural halls, can be used for volleyball games. There isn't one single
institution of higher learning without the facilities for volleyball. It's
just a matter of interest - which is extremely low.Recap:- Ski teams require immense dedication and capital, and is extremely limited
geographically.- Volleyball teams require interest.As far as
attendance goes - if byu played men's volleyball outside at Park City in
the middle of winter, what would the attendance be?Apples and
oranges. Better yet - grapes and watermelons.@Y's a little
brother:Thank you for reiterating my post - only five schools from
P5 conferences with men's volleyball. Extremely low interest. But tell me,
what ski resorts are close to USC, UCLA & Stanford?Thought
so.Go Utes!Spin away Utah haters!
$15.9M will not pay for field construction plus running the team plus dedicated
locker room facilities plus coaching salaries plus travel...it seems the
football team will be funding a lot of these other sports. Now if the U could
just pick the right sports to participate in...LAX isn't it...
I didn't realize it dropped Men's Track & Field in 2005...so how
will LAX be any different?"We have never been able to fund
men's cross country and track at a level that would allow us to have
realistic team goals. The reality is that we believe a reallocation of resources
will strengthen our other programs that we believe have more potential for
success. Some of our programs are not fully-funded and this will give us a
chance to get closer to that goal," said Hill. "The timing of this
decision may seem unusual since we are in compliance with gender equity, but
after a careful review of our athletics program, we felt a change was needed for
our overall well being."The move will free up five scholarships,
as well as travel, equipment and coaching dollars for other sports. The U. will
sponsor 18 sports starting in fall of 2005: 11 for women (basketball, cross
country, indoor and outdoor track and field, gymnastics, skiing, soccer,
softball, swimming and diving, tennis and volleyball) and seven for men
(baseball, basketball, football, golf, skiing, swimming and diving and tennis).
Navel VetRemind us how many years it's been since U beat BYU in
unYs little brother:On the contrary, LOL at OUR little brothers
because we actually DO have something to brag about.Who had been
ranked in every single CFP poll ever published?Who has the
Pac-12's best OOC record?Who has the Pac-12's best
postseason record?Who isn't "midmajors forever" like
their indy-WACey little brother, who had been beaten 6 times in a row, all but
three times over the past 15-yrs, two-thirds of the games over the past quarter
century, and sits on the wrong side of a quarter century lead in the all-time
series?Answer: Utah. All across the board. Haha!
I can't even imagine a sport that is more irrelevant than a Coed sport in
which THE most dominant program is a school that doesn't even have a
football team and plays basketball in the Summit League.
ND95CA:"Conference affiliation doesn't mean diddly when
you're a perennial conference bottom dweller, incapable of even winning a
men's division or conference championship..."So what does
that have to do with Utah? We're not perennial conference bottom dwellers,
and we actually HAVE won a men's division and conference championship. How
miserable for you. "U weren't even good enough to win
club-level championships in Lacrosse, so what proof do you have that you
won't be perennial losers against NCAA-level competition?"We were good enough to win the RMLC conference championship this year, and
what proof do YOU have that we WILL be perennial losers against NCAA-level
competition once we've finally fielded a team with a full allotment of
scholarships? See how THAT works? It goes both ways little bro."U backed your way into your lone men's PAC 12 championship in
Baseball with a losing record"By winning EVERY single series?
Nope. You made that up. How frantic and emotional of you."Bottom line:...BYU owns U in Men's Lacrosse"Nope.
The "bottom line" here is, Utah is moving on up to the NCAAs, whereas
the Y is "MCLA forever"! Haha!
VegasUteRemind us how many other P5 programs Utah competes against
in Coed Skiing and which team has won the most Coed Skiing National
Championships.BYU draws crowds of 3,000 to 5,000 for Men's
Volleyball.Remind us what size crowds attend Utah ski meets.
VegasUteSmack talk about a sport in which the PAC 12 has won 25
National Championships and BYU competes against some of the most successful
athletic programs in the country - Ohio St, Penn St, UCLA, USC, and Stanford.Remind us who the Utes compete against in Coed Skiing - Denver and
Colorado?Your spin is absolutely hysterical.
@Phoenix:"Unlike BYU which competes against the PAC 12's
big boys in Men's Volleyball"Lol. Smack talk about a sport
so irrelevant that there are only ... what ... 30 D1 teams in the entire country
(if you include the three teams in Puerto Rico) - with only 3 participants from
the PAC, and only five total schools from P5 conferences. You really have us
there!Carry on Utah haters!Go Utes!Onward
LOL at our little brothers already beating their chests about their
"associates", since they have absolutely no accomplishments of their own
to brag about.
Navel VetConference affiliation doesn't mean diddly when
you're a perennial conference bottom dweller, incapable of even winning a
men's division or conference championship, let alone a national
championship.U weren't even good enough to win club-level
championships in Lacrosse, so what proof do you have that you won't be
perennial losers against NCAA-level competition?U backed your way
into your lone men's PAC 12 championship in Baseball with a losing record,
and even in that "championship" season, BYU beat U 2 out of 3, including
a 6-0 shutout.Utah hasn't shut out BYU in Baseball since the
mid 70's.Bottom line:BYU owns U in Men's
Lacrosse:FOUR National Championships to NONE!
You're right, Naval Vet, that the Utes have a serious mountain to climb in
trying to become a competitive NCAA lacrosse team. What I am most interested to
see though is how many homegrown lacrosse players the Utes can keep here
in-state now that there is an NCAA team to play for. Most people in
Utah don't realize just how many Utah high school lacrosse players go on to
play for NCAA teams in other states. Hopefully the Utes can now recruit a
majority of those top players from Utah and build a competitive program.
Correct you are Bandit. But that said, remember to keep realistic expectations
with this jump. For example, consider the case of the Univ. of Michigan. They
too once competed in the MCLA, and even threepeated with National Championships
in 2008, 2009, and 2010. But since making the jump to NCAA D1 back in 2012,
they'd had only 1 season above .500 (2017), and had also won only 2
conference games: 1-win vs. Rutgers (5-10) back in 2014, while playing in the
BigTen, and one OT win vs. Bellarmine (7-5) back in 2013, while they were
playing in the ECAC. And Michigan's program was further along
than ours upon making that jump.Since Utah will be restricted -- by
NCAA rules -- as to how many scholarships we can offer, we won't have a
full "scholarship" roster until 2022. So I foresee a lot of
"L"s coming our way for the first couple of years.But
it'll SURE be worth it to make that MCLA leap to the NCAA!GO
I'm really impressed that this announcement has gotten so many BYU fans
rushing here to post about Ute Lacrosse! Anyone doubting that an
NCAA Ute Lax team is a big deal just look at all the Cougars throwing a temper
tantrum over this. This is going to be a fun few years watching what
the Utes are able to do on the lacrosse field!
Marked it Down (cont.):BTW: You seem to have forgotten that
there’s ANOTHER area – in addition to the scoreboard – that
“really counts”! And that’s “conference
affiliation”. For example, Utah is in the Pac-12. The cougs on the other
hand weren’t wanted by any P5 league, and are thus “midmajors
forever” making something like 87% less money than their P5 big brother on
the hill. Edge: Utah. And here’s another one, in 2018-19, Utah will be
playing our Lacrosse in the NCAA, and likely in either the BigTen, the ACC, or
the Big East. Meanwhile, the Y will be playing in the MCLA’s RMLC.
Another huge edge to Utah. How miserable for you.
Marked it Down:“Seriously, attendance smack?... Unfortunately
for U, BYU owns U in Men's Lacrosse where it really counts...”Interesting that you would go there, seeing as how cougar nation keeps
pointing to their 60K+ stadium attendance at LES (even though it’s really
50K+), as a means to tout their relevance, while insisting that the field
isn’t really where it counts. And that’s not to mention
the fact that I wasn’t the one talking attendance smack. That would have
been Y-homer “Gandalph”, when he’d said,
another sport on the hill that absolutely no one, except for a
handful of family and friends, will attend.” So if you’re so
anti-“attendance smack”, why did you give HIM a pass? Typical
JohninSLC"So, please follow up your BYU brag and tell us why
your school has remained playing men's LAX as a club sport, instead of as
an NCAA-sanctioned varsity sport."Typical of the Utes to find a
niche sport not occupied by any other team west of the Rockies so the Utes can
beat their chests about beating...NOBODY!(Kinda like
they do with their little coed tri-team skiing competition.)National
Championships won by PAC 12 Men's teams in which 3 or more PAC 12 schools
compete:Men's Volleyball - 25Men's Indoor Track -
8Men's Outdoor Track - 48Men's Cross Country - 16If the PAC 12 is relying solely on the Utes to produce a Men's Lacrosse
National Championship, it could be 50 to 100 years before that happens,
considering the one, and only, NCAA championship won by Utah's men is their
1981 Skiing championship, which is now a coed sport.Unlike BYU which
competes against the PAC 12's big boys in Men's Volleyball, Track
& Field, and Cross Country, Utah won't have any PAC 12
competition in Men's Lacrosse.
JohninSLC U just can't handle the fact that BYU owns U-North in
Men's Lacrosse, can you?Call us when U add NCAA Volleyball,
Indoor and Outdoor Track, and Cross Country, sports which are all much bigger in
the PAC 12.
Johnny boyTwo words: Title IXEven with the addition of a
Utah Men's Lacrosse team, BYU will still sponsor more Men's teams than
our little brothers on the hill.
Marked:So, please follow up your BYU-P brag and tell us why your
school has remained playing men's LAX as a club sport, instead of as an
NCAA-sanctioned varsity sport. Or are the coogs scrambling to find enough
donors so they can again follow big brother?
Naval Vet"What do YOU care how many fans attend Utah
Lacrosse?"Seriously, attendance smack?Unfortunately
for U, BYU owns U in Men's Lacrosse where it really counts...on
the field.The Cougars have won four Men's Lacrosse national
championships in 1997, 2000, 2007, and 2011, have won the RMLC championship
eight times in the past 15 years, and are the only MCLA Division 1 team in the
country to have played in the MCLA National Championship Tournament every year
since its inception in 1997.BYU swept U this season 14-8 and 10-4.
Gandalph:What do YOU care how many fans attend Utah Lacrosse? If
anything, a turnout like the one YOU'D described would be a dream come true
to you, what with you being a Utah-hater and all.Unfortunately for
YOU however, Utah ALREADY brings a much larger crowd to Ute Lacrosse games than
you'd fantasized. All one has to do is go to the Utes' Lacrosse
website and you'd see several "crowd" photos to see for themselves.
And THOSE games were for MCLA matches. Just imagine how much larger our crowds
will be once they start facing off vs. NCAA teams.You're
welcome to take a peek, but you're not gonna like it. Haha!
What this state needs is another college wrestling program. On a national level
high school wrestling in Utah excels far exceeding the talent developed in most
Great,another sport on the hill that absolutely no one, except a
handful of family and friends, will attend.
Mark from Montana:From the press release..."The
program was endowed through a $15.6 million gift funded by an anonymous lead
donor and other benefactors he enlisted. No state or university funds will be
used to support the program."There, there. Feel better now?
Ive enjoyed local Rugby as well. Its another international sport that is gaining
Great addition to the University of Utah's sports program. Fitting it is
announced on the 6th year anniversary of the University of Utah, Salt Lake City,
and the state of Utah becoming a member of the PAC-12. Proclaiming, and being
able to back it us, as the conference of champions. The PAC-12, along with the
Big 10 are regarded as the top two conferences considering both academics and
I hope the $15 million pays for the LAX for the next 25 years. As a tax payer,
I am tired of footing the bill for sports for the state's universities
Utes are a trendsetter!
As someone who grew up in Maryland (where lacrosse is the state sport and where
several of the powerhouse programs are at), I totally approve of this.
Everyone that is questioning why LAX and not soccer, Hockey or track and field
seem to be missing is that there is an anonymous donor that is paying for the
new LAX program. If the donor says I'll pay you $15.9 million for LAX you
do LAX. If you start a soccer team, you don't get that money.
Wow, I has expecting soccer. Disappointed
@Dr. G:"All other PAC-12 teams (except the U) sponsor men's
soccer. All the other PAC 12 teams (except the U) sponsor ZERO Lacrosse
teams."There are 5 PAC-12 schools that sponsor Div 1
women's Lacrosse teams. I think it is only a matter of time on the
@RedLegBandit:"I hate to say it but...soccer is more boring than
church, folks. There's just no getting around it. The U made the right
choice here."IMHO - this is absolutely correct. The only thing
that would be more boring is men's volleyball.
@RedLegBandit"I hate to say it but...soccer is more boring than
church, folks. There's just no getting around it."Well...Utah already has baseball and softball, so clearly perceived boredom is
not a factor in deciding what should be a varsity sport.
Meh. Lacrosse is one of the few sports that I really don't enjoy watching.
I wish Utah could make the jump up to Division I ice hockey.
My mistake, no offense meant to Kenric; he was actually a 20.80 200m runner as a
Would've loved for this to have been men's track and field; exact same
scholarship limit and close in roster size, and a handful of current and recent
football players were phenomenal track and field athletes (Drevian Young 48.10
400m, Kenric Young 21.30 200m, Javelin Guidry 10.13 100m), not to mention the
distance and throwing event talent that already resides in the state and region.
But understandable; Utah's outdoor facility is quite good, but no indoor
facility and building one or even turning the old field house into one would be
very costly, in addition to all the costs that LAX already has had donated
(scholarships, coaches, equipment, etc.). Excited to see what this
team can do, though. Between football, men's basketball, skiing,
women's gymnastics, women's volleyball, men's and women's
swimming and diving, and softball, already a lot of nationally recognized
competitive teams; the more, the merrier!
I agree with the Bandit. If Utah never one day adds Men's Soccer, I'd
be TOTALLY cool with that!
Dr G makes some good points. But I think he overlooks the incredible traction
Lacrosse has in Utah, especially at the high school level, including a huge JV
division. Utah is nuts about lacrosse right now. Great timing. Plus the
attraction of being a pioneer out west is interesting, as opposed to doing what
everybody else is doing. I believe Lacrosse will generate more excitement around
here than a D1 men's soccer team would have.
I hate to say it but...soccer is more boring than church, folks. There's
just no getting around it. The U made the right choice here.
Great step!However, there are three big time professional soccer
academies in this state (RSL, Liverpool, Barcelona) and we have exactly ONE D1
men's soccer program in Utah. There is a clear need for at least one more.
All other PAC-12 teams (except the U) sponsor men's soccer. All the other
PAC 12 teams (except the U) sponsor ZERO Lacrosse teams. Soccer has been a high
school sanctioned sport for nearly thirty years in Utah. Lacrosse won't
begin high school sanctioned play until 2019-2020. Utah soccer leagues have tens
of thousands of participates. Lacrosse has a few thousand. Utah has a
professional soccer club. Utah has no professional lacrosse. The U. has a donor
that gave them 15 million bucks to sponsor a sport with zero competition west of
Denver. Every game will be a massive road trip. Not even UVU (which sponsors a
men's division I soccer program) does not have a lacrosse team. Why? For
starters, the logic said men's soccer meets the sporting needs of a vastly
larger population in Utah than does lacrosse. Where is the U's soccer
donor? Money, apparently talks, because every other stat points to Men's
soccer being the no brainer sport to add to the U's NCAA programs.
AWESOME!!! Next up....let's add Ice Hockey for men, and either
Ice Hockey, Field Hockey, or Lacrosse for the women!GO UTES!!!