Utah officially adds men's lacrosse as a varsity sport

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  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    June 20, 2017 11:55 a.m.

    @skywalker:

    "Stanford has a club sport ski team..."

    Directly from Stanford's ski team page:

    "Do you love skiing? So do we! Joining the Stanford Ski Team is a great way to improve your skiing, have a lot of fun, and meet a bunch of people who share your love for the snow. We are primarily a racing team, competitive in slalom and giant slalom, but anyone is welcome to join"

    "And if you’re still on the fence about joining even after all that, here are ten easy reasons to join ski team:

    Access to a sweet Tahoe cabin from December to May
    Discounted no-blackout pass to Squaw Valley and Alpine Meadows"

    Lol! A bunch of rich kids playing at Tahoe. Who could pass up that sweet Tahoe cabin? That's why it is a club sport to Stanford. It would never be sustainable as an NCAA sanctioned actual team. 200+ miles away from campus is hardly close.

    Nice try!

    Go Utes!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 20, 2017 10:02 a.m.

    Ron Swanson:

    “If BYU had been only competitive in the WAC then the U would never have pushed to up its game. So take it from this U fan, it was a rough day when the U decided to leave BYU behind, something BYU never did to the U...”

    Total rubbish! Utah didn’t become competitive because the Y propelled us to “up our game”. It became competitive because of Dr. Hill had propelled us to do so.

    And the cougars never left the U behind because they were loyal. They didn’t do so because they had no other place to go. Make no mistake here – the Y has a long history of NOT being a “team player”, and only looking out for themselves. Furthermore, they have a history of inventing bogus tales of “secret negotiations” with leagues bigger than the WAC and MWC. So while the “option” to leave the U behind wasn’t there, the “will” to do so clearly was!

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    June 20, 2017 8:41 a.m.

    Vegas Ute

    "what ski resorts are close to... Stanford?"

    Stanford has a club sport ski team...

    so much for that whiny argument.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    June 20, 2017 7:20 a.m.

    VegasUte

    Despite your whiny excuses, it's an undeniable fact that there's so little competition in Skiing that the NCAA had to make it a Coed competition just to keep it alive.

    The "National Championship" is literally nothing more than a three team competition between Denver, Colorado and Utah, which together have won 90% of the NCAA "National Championships".

  • Lone*Star Austin, TX
    June 19, 2017 10:16 p.m.

    Title IX is the only thing preventing Men's Volleyball from being a much more popular sport. The immense popularity of Women's Volleyball is proof of that.

    The exact same reason Women's Gymnastics is the most popular sport on the hill, yet not "popular" enough for the Utes to sponsor a Men's Gymnastics team.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    June 19, 2017 4:35 p.m.

    @Road Runner:

    "a school that doesn't even have a football team and plays basketball in the Summit League."

    Do they have a mountain with a ski resort close by and money dedicated to the team? I would think that has much more to do with having a successful ski team than where they play basketball.

    Does Lewis or Loyola Chicago play football? In what league do they play basketball? Should this matter to them being D1 men's volleyball champions?

    We all know that byu would have a ski team if events did not take place on Sundays. Unlike other sports, there is no way around Sunday participation. Outside of that, byu would be there in a heartbeat.

    Nice attempt at deflection.

    Go Utes!

    Onward!

  • Ron Swanson Lahaina, HI
    June 19, 2017 4:29 p.m.

    @navalvet - you have to agree that had it not been for BYU's dominance in the 1980s very little would have changed for any WAC teams. If BYU had been only competitive in the WAC then the U would never have pushed to up its game. So take it from this U fan, it was a rough day when the U decided to leave BYU behind, something BYU never did to the U...

    Deciding to sponsor D1 Lacrosse is one more sign that Dr Hill is only interested in the money side of things. I wonder how much he really cares about student-athlete development.

    Civil dialog is the only good course here.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    June 19, 2017 4:18 p.m.

    @Road Runner:

    Unlike men's volleyball, skiing requires an intense amount of equipment, travel costs (even to a schools home ski resort, and - most importantly - needs an actual mountain within a reasonable distance with actual snow. This severely limits that amount of schools that can field ski teams.

    Every single gymnasium in this country, and most LDS cultural halls, can be used for volleyball games. There isn't one single institution of higher learning without the facilities for volleyball. It's just a matter of interest - which is extremely low.

    Recap:

    - Ski teams require immense dedication and capital, and is extremely limited geographically.
    - Volleyball teams require interest.

    As far as attendance goes - if byu played men's volleyball outside at Park City in the middle of winter, what would the attendance be?

    Apples and oranges. Better yet - grapes and watermelons.

    @Y's a little brother:

    Thank you for reiterating my post - only five schools from P5 conferences with men's volleyball. Extremely low interest. But tell me, what ski resorts are close to USC, UCLA & Stanford?

    Thought so.

    Go Utes!

    Spin away Utah haters!

  • Johnny Triumph Lahaina, HI
    June 19, 2017 4:18 p.m.

    $15.9M will not pay for field construction plus running the team plus dedicated locker room facilities plus coaching salaries plus travel...it seems the football team will be funding a lot of these other sports. Now if the U could just pick the right sports to participate in...LAX isn't it...

  • Johnny Triumph Lahaina, HI
    June 19, 2017 4:10 p.m.

    I didn't realize it dropped Men's Track & Field in 2005...so how will LAX be any different?

    "We have never been able to fund men's cross country and track at a level that would allow us to have realistic team goals. The reality is that we believe a reallocation of resources will strengthen our other programs that we believe have more potential for success. Some of our programs are not fully-funded and this will give us a chance to get closer to that goal," said Hill. "The timing of this decision may seem unusual since we are in compliance with gender equity, but after a careful review of our athletics program, we felt a change was needed for our overall well being."

    The move will free up five scholarships, as well as travel, equipment and coaching dollars for other sports. The U. will sponsor 18 sports starting in fall of 2005: 11 for women (basketball, cross country, indoor and outdoor track and field, gymnastics, skiing, soccer, softball, swimming and diving, tennis and volleyball) and seven for men (baseball, basketball, football, golf, skiing, swimming and diving and tennis).

  • Elkhorn Loveland, CO
    June 19, 2017 3:30 p.m.

    Navel Vet

    Remind us how many years it's been since U beat BYU in Men's Lacrosse.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 19, 2017 2:53 p.m.

    unYs little brother:

    On the contrary, LOL at OUR little brothers because we actually DO have something to brag about.

    Who had been ranked in every single CFP poll ever published?

    Who has the Pac-12's best OOC record?

    Who has the Pac-12's best postseason record?

    Who isn't "midmajors forever" like their indy-WACey little brother, who had been beaten 6 times in a row, all but three times over the past 15-yrs, two-thirds of the games over the past quarter century, and sits on the wrong side of a quarter century lead in the all-time series?

    Answer: Utah. All across the board. Haha!

  • Road Runner Cedar City, UT
    June 19, 2017 2:53 p.m.

    I can't even imagine a sport that is more irrelevant than a Coed sport in which THE most dominant program is a school that doesn't even have a football team and plays basketball in the Summit League.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 19, 2017 2:49 p.m.

    ND95CA:

    "Conference affiliation doesn't mean diddly when you're a perennial conference bottom dweller, incapable of even winning a men's division or conference championship..."

    So what does that have to do with Utah? We're not perennial conference bottom dwellers, and we actually HAVE won a men's division and conference championship. How miserable for you.

    "U weren't even good enough to win club-level championships in Lacrosse, so what proof do you have that you won't be perennial losers against NCAA-level competition?"

    We were good enough to win the RMLC conference championship this year, and what proof do YOU have that we WILL be perennial losers against NCAA-level competition once we've finally fielded a team with a full allotment of scholarships? See how THAT works? It goes both ways little bro.

    "U backed your way into your lone men's PAC 12 championship in Baseball with a losing record"

    By winning EVERY single series? Nope. You made that up. How frantic and emotional of you.

    "Bottom line:...BYU owns U in Men's Lacrosse"

    Nope. The "bottom line" here is, Utah is moving on up to the NCAAs, whereas the Y is "MCLA forever"! Haha!

  • Road Runner Cedar City, UT
    June 19, 2017 2:20 p.m.

    VegasUte

    Remind us how many other P5 programs Utah competes against in Coed Skiing and which team has won the most Coed Skiing National Championships.

    BYU draws crowds of 3,000 to 5,000 for Men's Volleyball.

    Remind us what size crowds attend Utah ski meets.

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    June 19, 2017 1:59 p.m.

    VegasUte

    Smack talk about a sport in which the PAC 12 has won 25 National Championships and BYU competes against some of the most successful athletic programs in the country - Ohio St, Penn St, UCLA, USC, and Stanford.

    Remind us who the Utes compete against in Coed Skiing - Denver and Colorado?

    Your spin is absolutely hysterical.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    June 19, 2017 1:13 p.m.

    @Phoenix:

    "Unlike BYU which competes against the PAC 12's big boys in Men's Volleyball"

    Lol. Smack talk about a sport so irrelevant that there are only ... what ... 30 D1 teams in the entire country (if you include the three teams in Puerto Rico) - with only 3 participants from the PAC, and only five total schools from P5 conferences. You really have us there!

    Carry on Utah haters!

    Go Utes!

    Onward

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    June 19, 2017 12:09 p.m.

    LOL at our little brothers already beating their chests about their "associates", since they have absolutely no accomplishments of their own to brag about.

  • ND95CA Lincoln Park, IL
    June 19, 2017 12:00 p.m.

    Navel Vet

    Conference affiliation doesn't mean diddly when you're a perennial conference bottom dweller, incapable of even winning a men's division or conference championship, let alone a national championship.

    U weren't even good enough to win club-level championships in Lacrosse, so what proof do you have that you won't be perennial losers against NCAA-level competition?

    U backed your way into your lone men's PAC 12 championship in Baseball with a losing record, and even in that "championship" season, BYU beat U 2 out of 3, including a 6-0 shutout.

    Utah hasn't shut out BYU in Baseball since the mid 70's.

    Bottom line:

    BYU owns U in Men's Lacrosse:

    FOUR National Championships to NONE!

  • RedLegBandit West Jordan, UT
    June 19, 2017 11:46 a.m.

    You're right, Naval Vet, that the Utes have a serious mountain to climb in trying to become a competitive NCAA lacrosse team. What I am most interested to see though is how many homegrown lacrosse players the Utes can keep here in-state now that there is an NCAA team to play for.

    Most people in Utah don't realize just how many Utah high school lacrosse players go on to play for NCAA teams in other states. Hopefully the Utes can now recruit a majority of those top players from Utah and build a competitive program.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 19, 2017 10:05 a.m.

    Correct you are Bandit. But that said, remember to keep realistic expectations with this jump. For example, consider the case of the Univ. of Michigan. They too once competed in the MCLA, and even threepeated with National Championships in 2008, 2009, and 2010. But since making the jump to NCAA D1 back in 2012, they'd had only 1 season above .500 (2017), and had also won only 2 conference games: 1-win vs. Rutgers (5-10) back in 2014, while playing in the BigTen, and one OT win vs. Bellarmine (7-5) back in 2013, while they were playing in the ECAC.

    And Michigan's program was further along than ours upon making that jump.

    Since Utah will be restricted -- by NCAA rules -- as to how many scholarships we can offer, we won't have a full "scholarship" roster until 2022. So I foresee a lot of "L"s coming our way for the first couple of years.

    But it'll SURE be worth it to make that MCLA leap to the NCAA!

    GO UTES!!!

  • RedLegBandit West Jordan, UT
    June 19, 2017 8:35 a.m.

    I'm really impressed that this announcement has gotten so many BYU fans rushing here to post about Ute Lacrosse!

    Anyone doubting that an NCAA Ute Lax team is a big deal just look at all the Cougars throwing a temper tantrum over this.

    This is going to be a fun few years watching what the Utes are able to do on the lacrosse field!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 19, 2017 6:06 a.m.

    Marked it Down (cont.):

    BTW: You seem to have forgotten that there’s ANOTHER area – in addition to the scoreboard – that “really counts”! And that’s “conference affiliation”. For example, Utah is in the Pac-12. The cougs on the other hand weren’t wanted by any P5 league, and are thus “midmajors forever” making something like 87% less money than their P5 big brother on the hill. Edge: Utah. And here’s another one, in 2018-19, Utah will be playing our Lacrosse in the NCAA, and likely in either the BigTen, the ACC, or the Big East. Meanwhile, the Y will be playing in the MCLA’s RMLC. Another huge edge to Utah. How miserable for you.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 19, 2017 6:08 a.m.

    Marked it Down:

    “Seriously, attendance smack?... Unfortunately for U, BYU owns U in Men's Lacrosse where it really counts...”

    Interesting that you would go there, seeing as how cougar nation keeps pointing to their 60K+ stadium attendance at LES (even though it’s really 50K+), as a means to tout their relevance, while insisting that the field isn’t really where it counts.

    And that’s not to mention the fact that I wasn’t the one talking attendance smack. That would have been Y-homer “Gandalph”, when he’d said, “Great…another sport on the hill that absolutely no one, except for a handful of family and friends, will attend.” So if you’re so anti-“attendance smack”, why did you give HIM a pass? Typical hypocritical coug.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    June 18, 2017 10:29 p.m.

    JohninSLC

    "So, please follow up your BYU brag and tell us why your school has remained playing men's LAX as a club sport, instead of as an NCAA-sanctioned varsity sport."

    Typical of the Utes to find a niche sport not occupied by any other team west of the Rockies so the Utes can beat their chests about beating...

    NOBODY!

    (Kinda like they do with their little coed tri-team skiing competition.)

    National Championships won by PAC 12 Men's teams in which 3 or more PAC 12 schools compete:

    Men's Volleyball - 25
    Men's Indoor Track - 8
    Men's Outdoor Track - 48
    Men's Cross Country - 16

    If the PAC 12 is relying solely on the Utes to produce a Men's Lacrosse National Championship, it could be 50 to 100 years before that happens, considering the one, and only, NCAA championship won by Utah's men is their 1981 Skiing championship, which is now a coed sport.

    Unlike BYU which competes against the PAC 12's big boys in Men's Volleyball, Track & Field, and Cross Country,

    Utah won't have any PAC 12 competition in Men's Lacrosse.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    June 18, 2017 9:04 p.m.

    JohninSLC

    U just can't handle the fact that BYU owns U-North in Men's Lacrosse, can you?

    Call us when U add NCAA Volleyball, Indoor and Outdoor Track, and Cross Country, sports which are all much bigger in the PAC 12.

  • Lone*Star Austin, TX
    June 18, 2017 6:26 p.m.

    Johnny boy

    Two words: Title IX

    Even with the addition of a Utah Men's Lacrosse team, BYU will still sponsor more Men's teams than our little brothers on the hill.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 18, 2017 3:21 p.m.

    Marked:

    So, please follow up your BYU-P brag and tell us why your school has remained playing men's LAX as a club sport, instead of as an NCAA-sanctioned varsity sport. Or are the coogs scrambling to find enough donors so they can again follow big brother?

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    June 18, 2017 10:29 a.m.

    Naval Vet

    "What do YOU care how many fans attend Utah Lacrosse?"

    Seriously, attendance smack?

    Unfortunately for U, BYU owns U in Men's Lacrosse where it really counts...

    on the field.

    The Cougars have won four Men's Lacrosse national championships in 1997, 2000, 2007, and 2011, have won the RMLC championship eight times in the past 15 years, and are the only MCLA Division 1 team in the country to have played in the MCLA National Championship Tournament every year since its inception in 1997.

    BYU swept U this season 14-8 and 10-4.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 18, 2017 9:55 a.m.

    Gandalph:

    What do YOU care how many fans attend Utah Lacrosse? If anything, a turnout like the one YOU'D described would be a dream come true to you, what with you being a Utah-hater and all.

    Unfortunately for YOU however, Utah ALREADY brings a much larger crowd to Ute Lacrosse games than you'd fantasized. All one has to do is go to the Utes' Lacrosse website and you'd see several "crowd" photos to see for themselves. And THOSE games were for MCLA matches. Just imagine how much larger our crowds will be once they start facing off vs. NCAA teams.

    You're welcome to take a peek, but you're not gonna like it. Haha!

  • eagle Provo, UT
    June 18, 2017 9:29 a.m.

    What this state needs is another college wrestling program. On a national level high school wrestling in Utah excels far exceeding the talent developed in most other sports.

  • Gandalph Sandy, UT
    June 17, 2017 2:43 p.m.

    Great,

    another sport on the hill that absolutely no one, except a handful of family and friends, will attend.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 17, 2017 12:23 p.m.

    Mark from Montana:

    From the press release...

    "The program was endowed through a $15.6 million gift funded by an anonymous lead donor and other benefactors he enlisted. No state or university funds will be used to support the program."

    There, there. Feel better now?

  • clayvickery SANDY, UT
    June 17, 2017 12:15 p.m.

    Ive enjoyed local Rugby as well. Its another international sport that is gaining popularity

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 17, 2017 11:14 a.m.

    Mark from Montana:

    From the press release...

    "The program was endowed through a $15.6 million gift funded by an anonymous lead donor and other benefactors he enlisted. No state or university funds will be used to support the program."

    There, there. Feel better now?

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 17, 2017 10:46 a.m.

    Great addition to the University of Utah's sports program. Fitting it is announced on the 6th year anniversary of the University of Utah, Salt Lake City, and the state of Utah becoming a member of the PAC-12. Proclaiming, and being able to back it us, as the conference of champions. The PAC-12, along with the Big 10 are regarded as the top two conferences considering both academics and athletics!

  • Mark from Montana Davis County, UT
    June 17, 2017 6:31 a.m.

    I hope the $15 million pays for the LAX for the next 25 years. As a tax payer, I am tired of footing the bill for sports for the state's universities teams.

  • cjd1 Draper, UT
    June 16, 2017 10:39 p.m.

    Utes are a trendsetter!

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    June 16, 2017 7:17 p.m.

    As someone who grew up in Maryland (where lacrosse is the state sport and where several of the powerhouse programs are at), I totally approve of this.

  • CentralcoastUte San luis obispo , CA
    June 16, 2017 2:55 p.m.

    Everyone that is questioning why LAX and not soccer, Hockey or track and field seem to be missing is that there is an anonymous donor that is paying for the new LAX program. If the donor says I'll pay you $15.9 million for LAX you do LAX. If you start a soccer team, you don't get that money.

  • Khoggan Eagle, ID
    June 16, 2017 12:59 p.m.

    Wow, I has expecting soccer. Disappointed

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    June 16, 2017 12:36 p.m.

    @Dr. G:

    "All other PAC-12 teams (except the U) sponsor men's soccer. All the other PAC 12 teams (except the U) sponsor ZERO Lacrosse teams."

    There are 5 PAC-12 schools that sponsor Div 1 women's Lacrosse teams. I think it is only a matter of time on the men's side.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    June 16, 2017 12:23 p.m.

    @RedLegBandit:

    "I hate to say it but...soccer is more boring than church, folks. There's just no getting around it. The U made the right choice here."

    IMHO - this is absolutely correct. The only thing that would be more boring is men's volleyball.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    June 16, 2017 11:50 a.m.

    @RedLegBandit

    "I hate to say it but...soccer is more boring than church, folks. There's just no getting around it."

    Well...Utah already has baseball and softball, so clearly perceived boredom is not a factor in deciding what should be a varsity sport.

  • chicagoborn Philadelphia, PA
    June 16, 2017 11:33 a.m.

    Meh. Lacrosse is one of the few sports that I really don't enjoy watching. I wish Utah could make the jump up to Division I ice hockey.

  • Jackie Treehorn St George, UT
    June 16, 2017 11:29 a.m.

    My mistake, no offense meant to Kenric; he was actually a 20.80 200m runner as a high schooler.

  • Jackie Treehorn St George, UT
    June 16, 2017 11:30 a.m.

    Would've loved for this to have been men's track and field; exact same scholarship limit and close in roster size, and a handful of current and recent football players were phenomenal track and field athletes (Drevian Young 48.10 400m, Kenric Young 21.30 200m, Javelin Guidry 10.13 100m), not to mention the distance and throwing event talent that already resides in the state and region. But understandable; Utah's outdoor facility is quite good, but no indoor facility and building one or even turning the old field house into one would be very costly, in addition to all the costs that LAX already has had donated (scholarships, coaches, equipment, etc.).

    Excited to see what this team can do, though. Between football, men's basketball, skiing, women's gymnastics, women's volleyball, men's and women's swimming and diving, and softball, already a lot of nationally recognized competitive teams; the more, the merrier!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 16, 2017 11:22 a.m.

    I agree with the Bandit. If Utah never one day adds Men's Soccer, I'd be TOTALLY cool with that!

  • Tom the Ute SLC, UT
    June 16, 2017 11:19 a.m.

    Dr G makes some good points. But I think he overlooks the incredible traction Lacrosse has in Utah, especially at the high school level, including a huge JV division. Utah is nuts about lacrosse right now. Great timing. Plus the attraction of being a pioneer out west is interesting, as opposed to doing what everybody else is doing. I believe Lacrosse will generate more excitement around here than a D1 men's soccer team would have.

  • RedLegBandit West Jordan, UT
    June 16, 2017 10:19 a.m.

    I hate to say it but...soccer is more boring than church, folks. There's just no getting around it. The U made the right choice here.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    June 16, 2017 10:08 a.m.

    Great step!

    However, there are three big time professional soccer academies in this state (RSL, Liverpool, Barcelona) and we have exactly ONE D1 men's soccer program in Utah. There is a clear need for at least one more.

  • Dr. G Bountiful, UT
    June 16, 2017 10:06 a.m.

    All other PAC-12 teams (except the U) sponsor men's soccer. All the other PAC 12 teams (except the U) sponsor ZERO Lacrosse teams. Soccer has been a high school sanctioned sport for nearly thirty years in Utah. Lacrosse won't begin high school sanctioned play until 2019-2020. Utah soccer leagues have tens of thousands of participates. Lacrosse has a few thousand. Utah has a professional soccer club. Utah has no professional lacrosse. The U. has a donor that gave them 15 million bucks to sponsor a sport with zero competition west of Denver. Every game will be a massive road trip. Not even UVU (which sponsors a men's division I soccer program) does not have a lacrosse team. Why? For starters, the logic said men's soccer meets the sporting needs of a vastly larger population in Utah than does lacrosse. Where is the U's soccer donor? Money, apparently talks, because every other stat points to Men's soccer being the no brainer sport to add to the U's NCAA programs.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 16, 2017 9:25 a.m.

    AWESOME!!!

    Next up....let's add Ice Hockey for men, and either Ice Hockey, Field Hockey, or Lacrosse for the women!

    GO UTES!!!