So this lawyer has possible information about Hilary selling uranium to the
Russians just after Bill Clinton just received $500,000 for an hour long speech
in Moscow? YOU BET I'D BE GOING TO THAT MEETING. If I could get
information that Clintons broke the law or had a quid pro quo (which many
observers believe is obvious) agreement with the Russians it would be a no
brainer. Why all the outrage? After all Obama said that believing that Russia
was the biggest geopolitical enemy was 1980's diplomacy. What a joke.
Hey Joe Capitalist -" . . . it is nothing but a witch
hunt."Well, that's what the Russians say.Once
again, Republican "Conservatives" are on the same side as
America's enemies.And as usual, we Democratic patriots are on
airnaut: "But you go right ahead JoeCapitalist2 and keep right on defending
crimes and treason, so long as it isn't drugs, prostitution, or bank
robbery -- you seem ok with it. right is right, wrong is wrong. me thinks
someone's moral compass is broken."What I am not ok with is
an unequal treatment of the law. When you want to accuse Trump or any other
political opponent of treason when you want to give everyone who did the same
thing but are political allies a complete pass, I have a problem with that.Get back to me when you want to open investigations into every
interaction between Hillary and Obama and a foreign government for monetary or
political gain and have them tried for treason as well. When you are really
serious about going after everyone and not just the GOP, then I will know this
is a real issue for you. Otherwise it is nothing but a witch hunt.
@JoeCapitalist2 - Orem, UTJuly 13, 2017 9:28 p.m.Airnaut,Last I checked, soliciting prostitution, buying drugs, and robbery are
real crimes. Getting 'dirt' on your political opponent is not. =========Federal law, Section 30121 of Title 52, makes it a
crime for any foreigner to contribute or donate money or some “other thing
of value” in connection with an American election, or for
anyone to solicit a foreigner to do so....But you go
right ahead JoeCapitalist2 and keep right on defending crimes and treason, so
long as it isn't drugs, prostitution, or bank robbery -- you seem ok with
it.right is right, wrong is wrong.me thinks someone's
moral compass is broken.
So basically Putin wanted Trump to win. So he sent laundered money and hackers
to help. Since when does Putin get a say in American elections?
It is allowed to find "dirt" on a candidate.It is NOT allowed to
take help on campaigns from a foreign entity. That is the difference. The reason for this is it also allows other countries to support the
candidate that would be most favorable to them. So in this example, Putin
didn't like how tough Hilary was being on them. He wanted Trump. So he
organized a hacking of the Democratic Party, planted fake stories and funneled
money into SuperPacs to support Republican candidates that were friendly to
Russia.Is Russia now allowed to chose the American President?
Airnaut,Last I checked, soliciting prostitution, buying drugs, and
robbery are real crimes. Getting 'dirt' on your political opponent is
not. If it were then Obama, Hillary, Bernie, and just about every other
politician would be in jail (as if any of them would be charged with a crime
that they did actually commit like leaking top secret documents).
@joe5Let's look at your claim again,"unlike the
clear and irrefutable evidence of Obama using the intelligence community to
monitor and spy on political opponents"You then proceeded to
state the the 'clear and irrefutable' evidence was an anonymous
anecdote about your sister being audited by the IRS.Unsubstantiated
anecdotes do not equate to clear and irrefutable evidence. The IRS is not part
of the 'intelligence community'"you can accept that
MSM silence means there is nothing there"i'm not accepting
MSM silence to mean anything. I'm asking for a citation of the evidence
you claim is clear and irrefutable.
@ joe5If your friends belonged to a political action group
masquerading as a charity, they deserved to be audited. Besides, no
one who supports this GOP can lecture us on morality. Other than lindsey Graham
and John McCain, you folks have remained in a silent stupor regarding
trump's family colluding with Russian agents. I've never
heard of a worse political scandal in my life. Cleanse your inner
vessel first before coming after democrats.
Americans still hear the chants of lock em up well after the campaign.
@joe5"So what's not to like about this administration? DJIA at
all time high. Jobs being created without other jobs being destroyed.
Unemployment at lows we haven't seen for over a decade. Illegal immigration
reversing its trend by going down, down, down. "Thank Obama;
he's the one who set all those things in motion and under whom the vast
majority of the progress on all of them was made.
@joe5 - South Jordan, UT; You don't say?
Hey Joe5 -RE: "Guess what ... 75% of the people she spoke to
had also been audited and almost all of them for the very first time in their
lives."But 100% of those people are Republicans, and Republicans
are not known for being truthful, are they?In fact, studies show
Democrats are much more honest than Republicans. Look it up. Check out the
George Mason University study.And let's not forget, the most
prolific liar, cheat, and thief in the history of U.S. politics is the moral
leader of the GOP. That should tell you something, assuming you are
honest with yourself.Can we assume that?
silo:Okay. Maybe I indulged in a bit of rhetoric by calling the
evidence irrefutable. After all, some people will refute that the sun rose this
morning or that it's raining when they're standing in a downpour
getting drenched. What Obama did during the election was nothing new for him and
his administration and it was certainly never going to be covered by MSM.Obama has continually used government resources against his political
opponents. In 2012, my sister, from San Diego, took a bus with 30+ other
volunteers to Colorado in support of the Romney campaign. My sister, who had
never been audited by the IRS, was audited the next year. This was upsetting to
her so she contacted almost everyone else that had been on that bus. Guess what
... 75% of the people she spoke to had also been audited and almost all of them
for the very first time in their lives.Abusing his power by the
unlawful use of government agencies was Obama's modus operandi for 8 years.
Now, you can believe what you want and you can accept that MSM silence means
there is nothing there. But you're only deluding yourself.Welcome to Fantasy Island!
Republican administrations are known for their dirty deeds, aren't they?Watergate was bad enough, but even Richard Nixon didn't stoop to
treason.Republican politicians are constantly setting new lows . .
. Records that can ONLY be broken by other Republican politicians.
How do we know that the Trumps left this meeting without gaining damaging
information on Clinton? Oh, because the Trumps claim that they didn't gain
damaging information? Why the heck should we trust them? They've lied about
everything so far. They have every motive to lie again. Folks, what
we are seeing from the right is justification of treason. Are you
fine with this? What sort of precedent are we setting? Will China, North Korea, and Iran be colluding with political parties in the
future as "operational research?" Repubs, are you fine with opening up
this pandora's box?
Face it, American politics is as corrupt as it is in any Third World nation.We need to drain the swamp and the cesspool they call Congress. Every incumbent needs to be voted out of office.
"Smoking guns don't need to be nearly this hot to capture
Washington's attention . . . . "____________________What
explanation could Donald Jr. offer about holding a smoking gun? He might be best
off to stick with I didn't know it was loaded.
@joe5"unlike the clear and irrefutable evidence of Obama using the
intelligence community to monitor and spy on political opponents"Since you state there's 'clear and irrefutable evidence', then
please feel free to cite resources backing up your claims that Obama used the
intelligence community to spy on political opponents.
Donnie Jr. calls this a "nothing-burger." Looks more like a combo plate
The dirt, it turns out, is the intent of those looking for it.
Funny, I don't feel any quaking beneath my feet. I am wondering why the
left is so focused on Trump getting the dirt instead of the actual dirt itself.
Of course, nothing is proven yet (even Kaine, who wants Trump charged with
treason, admits that) unlike the clear and irrefutable evidence of Obama using
the intelligence community to monitor and spy on political opponents (especially
Trump), Clinton (with help from the DNC) cheating Sanders out of a fair
election, and deep state leaking classified information like a sieve.I didn't vote for Trump but I am so glad he won. Clinton and Kaine have
both shown their true character since the election and it terrifies me to think
what a deeper mess our country would be in if they had been elected.So what's not to like about this administration? DJIA at all time high.
Jobs being created without other jobs being destroyed. Unemployment at lows we
haven't seen for over a decade. Illegal immigration reversing its trend by
going down, down, down. Rejecting the green scams and becoming more energy
independent. Reason being brought back into the judiciary. I kind of like what
"He is arrested, even though he did get the drugs,..."airnaut--You need the word "not" between "did" &
"get".I think you wanted to say---He is
arrested, even though he did NOT get the drugs, the sex, or the cash.Regardless, if he actually did it, he has already let his intent to
break the law known.
Gotta love the defense here.Yes judge. I did break into the bank
with the intent of stealing all the money. But the safe was empty so I
didn't steal anything.
We all know that this is collusion and treasonous. What is also treasonous is
the GOP politicians, including all those in Utah, that continue to support a
This is what happens when you nominate such a profoundly unfit candidate.
Inexperience and ineptitude are not good reasons to vote for a candidate.
Remind me again...why did the GOP think otherwise?No American --
liberal or otherwise -- is enjoying the grim slog our country is merely
beginning. We are at least 2 years out from understanding, much less
rectifying, the full scale and scope of Russia's infiltration of the 2016
election.But I thought we at least knew the major areas of inquiry.
Which makes this Don Jr. situation so unnerving.This meeting was not
on anyone's radar. It makes one wonder what other one-off violations are
floating around.Don Jr. seems genuinely oblivious how the e-mail he
released perfectly maps to the elements a prosecutor would need to convict for a
campaign finance violation. Not merely a confession, Don Jr. practically
drafted the prosecutor's summation to the jury.This behavior
suggests an insufficient conscience, an inability to recognize one's own
wrong-doing. Without the attendant guilt and fear of consequence, these small
one-off violations will just pile up like dust-bunnies under the sofa. Out of
sight, out of mind.
Plausible deniability...The reality show host said...I
call the shots...everyone knows that.Bye-Bye plausible
deniability.To suggest that the reality show host did not sign off,
on the meeting, with the russian, is preposterous.I call the
shots...everyone knows that.The reality show host denied any
knowledge of the meeting.Anyone who would believe anything coming
out of the reality show hosts mouth or 140 character twitter account does so at
their own peril.The newly hired legal team is begging the reality
show host to stop putting himself in harms way.I call the
shots...everyone knows that.Good luck to the reality show hosts
legal team in putting that oversized ego on a leash.
Don't you just love it when the left sets themselves up for a fall. What
the left news won't tell you about Hillary, her campaigns, and the DNC
actual evidence of collusion with Ukraine to influence the election.
A man shows up and says:You got the stuff?How much for sex?This is a robbery.He is arrested, even though he did get the
drugs, the sex, or the cash.Regardless if he actually did it, he has
already let his intent to break the law to know.Intent to commit the
crime is enough evidence to be accused of actual crime.We were told
there'd be dirt - I love it...clearly shows the intent of
Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner and Paul Manafort [Trump campaign manager at the
time] all on behalf of Trump campaign. ....just like showing up at a
whorehose, drughouse, or bank and saying what you are there for.