RE: Craig Clark . Mosiah 3 is a Modern Composition."Beyond the
problem the N.T. allusions pose for the theory of chiasmus in the Bo M, they
also add another line of evidence for the modern composition of the Book of
Mormon. We have seen that Mosiah 3 anachronistically addresses theological
issues of great concern to nineteenth-century Protestants, presents a supposed
prophecy of the coming of Jesus Christ in highly anachronistic fashion
(including a misunderstanding of one element of the Gospel accounts popular in
modern times), and that it does these things in clear verbal dependence on the
N. T.in the K J V. Just as we showed a cumulative-case argument against
Mosiah 3:18-19 being a chiasmus, what we now see also is a strong cumulative
case for the modern composition of all of Mosiah 3. By far the simplest and most
plausible explanation for this evidence is that Mosiah 3 is indeed a modern
composition, not a translation of an ancient historical record.See
the table that shows that there are at least 30 likely allusions to the N.T.in
Mosiah 3 alone.. Mosiah 3 is a Modern Composition."
sharrona," . . . . the passages are not genuine instances of chiasmus
and that other features of the passages show that they are modern in
origin."____________________Those Book of Mormon passages are
indeed chiasmus regardless of the dates of composition or the identity of
authorship. Chiasmus, as we formally understand it is a post-modern effort that
makes distinct literary techniques long practiced throughout history. It is
discernable in the Book of Mormon, the Bible, the Quran, and literature by
writers who had no name for what we today formally understand as literary
style.A classic example is the expression “the first shall be
last and the last shall be first”. We all know who said that. But Jesus
himself had no comprehension of chiasmus as the formal style he used to great
Chiasmus in the Book of Mormon? One of the main types of evidence that
Mormons currently claim supports the authenticity of the Book of Mormon as
ancient Israelite scripture is chiasmus. Chiasmus is a type of parallelism in
which the second half of the text parallels in reverse order the first half.
Mormon scholars and apologists argue that there are impressive examples of
chiasmus in the Book of Mormon that Joseph Smith could not have composed and
certainly could not have dictated off the cuff.Several articles
listed on this page address this argument by examining the most important
passages of the Book of Mormon said to be written in chiasmus form. The articles
demonstrate that the passages are not genuine instances of chiasmus and that
other features of the passages show that they are modern in origin. There are
additional resources on chiasmus also listed here.Mosiah
3:18-19—Ancient Chiasmus or Modern Composition? Why this often-cited
example of an Israelite chiasmus in the Book of Mormon is really a modern text.
“ Robert M. Bowman Jr.
This is of much interest because chiasmus show us where to find the BOM people.
Definition (from Merriam Webster): chiasmus--an inverted relationship between
the syntactic elements of parallel phrases."to stop too fearful,
and too faint to go" is an example of chiasmus, not the definition.
sportswriter," . . . . since it is not commonly familiar, it would
seem advisable--if not necessary--for a long column with the uncommon word
[chiasmus] in the headline to include at least a sentence explaining or defining
the word.____________________Chiasmus itself is a relatively recent
concept describing a rhetorical device that to some extent is imbedded in all
cultures. It is not a religious concept. Book of Mormon apologists seize upon
elements of chiasmus identified in the Book of Mormon, as though it proves
something. Well, it certainly does. It proves that chiasmus is evident in Book
of Mormon composition. Not exactly remarkable and anything but singular.
RE: KGW. “ I hope they also bring in remnants of the tablets Moses
“The Pearl of Great Price in comparison to the Bible: The
first 6 chapters of Genesis(JST)or The Book of Moses contains 311 verses, While
the Septuagint and Masoretic texts contain 184 verses. JST adds “
127” verses which are not supported by the Septuagint and Masoretic
texts or Dead Sea Scrolls But over 123 N.T. quotes support the existing O.T.@: Abraham 3:26 “kept not their *first estate= (Jude 1: 6
KJV,JST,). ).JS misunderstood the KJV translation. Context, E.g
.the angels who did not stay within their own position of
authority,..(Jude 1: 6 NIV)or,
the angels who did not stay within the
limits of authority
( Jude 1:6 NLT) Context,”
angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell
”) 2 Peter 2:4)
actually Fallen angels(demons) Not pre mortality..Christians
believe in creation Ex Nihlio E.g..,”Through faith we understand that the
worlds=(time,G. aion) were framed by the word of God, so that things which are
seen were not made of things which do appear.(Heb 11:3).)
Dear Censors. What is the timeframe to review and accept or reject a post. My
comments are tame compared to Dan Peterson's detractors who disparage the
church. Please let me know the status and disposition of my comments in
rebuttal of the veracity of Chiasmus and other BOM topics. Thank You,KGW
Re: MoleMan San Diego. Yea, I see your point. I hope they also bring in
remnants of the tablets Mosesacquired and some planks from Noah's
Ark. Maybe partial remains of the Ark of the Covenant. Boy, if so, sign me
up.It wasn't until the late 1980's that skeletal remains of
lions mentioned in biblical times were found. Until then you either went on
faith or like you it was wishful thinking and a quaint biblical account of
encounters with mythical giant cats. Or, you might want to vacation in SE Mexico
and Central America orviff the coast of Oman. Dozens of sites and ancient ruins
coincide quite nicely with the description of life described in BOM times. The
reality is that no amount of the type of "proof" you demand would convince you of the truth of the BOM. It's conversion comes with
spiritual proofs that are readily accessible to those open to the prompting of
the Lord's spirit. Otherwise you're incapable of recognizing spiritual
matters that are available to anyone with a thirst for God's will in their
For those who don't think the Book of Mormon stories happened in
Mesoamerica, the Heartlanders have their own conference. There is something for
everyone who believes.
I look forward to your weekly columns in the DesNews and vaguely remember the
word chiasmus, but since it is not commonly familiar, it would seem
advisable--if not necessary--for a long column with the uncommon word in the
headline to include at least a sentence explaining or defining the word.
Hickory dikory dockthe mouse ran up the clockthe clock
struck 1The mouse ran downHickory dickory dock.Eureka, a chaiasmus!
Somnolent.... now that is the perfect new word for my vocabulary.
The dictionary defines chiasmus as the following. "to stop too fearful, and
too faint to go" I interpret that as back away slowly.
I hope they have a Lamanite fossil or verified proof of a Laminite civilization
in the Americas for me to examine... otherwise, it is simply wishful thinking.
As verily, it has been this way for the last 180 years.