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  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    July 20, 2017 5:14 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "Saying that Utah is going to the Rose Bowl is less outlandish then saying Mika is a lock to be a lottery pick because of the way he played against Gonzaga..."

    Less outlandish?

    LOL!

    Utah fans were claiming that Utah would be playing in the Rose Bowl within 3 years and would win the National Championship in 5 years.

    Chris B - Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 5, 2011 10:49 a.m.

    "Rose Bowl within 3 years, national championship within 5"

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    July 20, 2017 5:05 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    Since you seem too embarrassed to answer the questions, I'll answer them for you:

    Remind us the last time Utah had an 11+ win, Top 12 finish.

    Utah - 2008
    BYU - 2009

    Remind us the last time Utah had back-to-back 11+ win, Top 15 finishes.

    Utah - NEVER
    BYU - 2006-2007

    Remind us the last time Utah had back-to-back Top 20 ranked conference champions.

    Utah - NEVER
    BYU - 2006-2007

    More?...

    Last National Championship Season

    Utah - NEVER
    BYU - 1984

    Last 14-win Season

    Utah - NEVER
    BYU - 1996

    Last back-to-back-to-back 11+ win seasons

    Utah - NEVER
    BYU - 1983-1985 and 1979-1981

    Last 12 straight bowl games

    Utah - NEVER
    BYU - 2005-present and 1978-1994

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    July 20, 2017 4:57 p.m.

    Blue Coug

    Saying that Utah is going to the Rose Bowl is less outlandish then saying Mika is a lock to be a lottery pick because of the way he played against Gonzaga; which is what you stated. FYI; I have never ever said squat about Utah going to the Rose Bowl; that would destroy my credibility. Have a good evening.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    July 20, 2017 4:35 p.m.

    Lone Star

    Why in the world would I answer those question when my very simple single question was ignored; "How long ago did those items happen?

    As far as the 1st question Utah did it 9 years ago, it was actually a 12 win season with a final ranking of #2. When's the last time the Cougs did that.

    Now stay on course and answer the questions; don't deflect.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    July 20, 2017 2:46 p.m.

    "only cougar fans think its more important where u start the season and not where u finish, lol"

    No, only in your imagination. But it's funny how some Ute "fans" pretend that where a team finishes is indicative of their skill the entire season, that a team is as good all season long as they were at the end of the season, not getting better or worse.

    Newsflash: teams have ups and downs from season to season and from week to week. Just because a team finishes just outside the Top 25 doesn't mean they weren't ever a top team at some point during the season, and just because a team ends in the top 5 or 10 doesn't mean they were top 5 or 10 each week. That's one reason why a head-to-head doesn't prove "dominance": a W could be because one team was doing well while the other was not doing so well (upsets happen).

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    July 20, 2017 2:13 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "Speaking of reminding; remind me again how Mika was a lock for a lottery pick? You seem to have swept that outrageous comment right under the rug. Typical."

    After all of the boasting Utah fans have done since 2010 about smelling roses, Mika deciding to leave school early before he had fully developed an NBA game is small potatoes.

    It's funny how Utah fans scoffed at BYU fans saying it could be decades before Utah played in a Rose Bowl, (see Arizona).

    So, you can add that to your very long list of "accomplishments" that Utah fans scoff at, but have never actually accomplished.

  • Lone*Star Austin, TX
    July 20, 2017 1:34 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    Nice try, but not germane to the football discussion.

    You still haven't answered any of the "Remind us" questions.

    Most likely because the answers would reveal just how hollow all of the "dominance" boasting of the hill folk is.

    Our little brothers seem to think that having a "dusty" trophy, is inferior, to not even having a trophy to dust.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    July 20, 2017 1:09 p.m.

    BlueCoug - Provo, UT
    July 20, 2017 12:37 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "...and none within the last 10 years."

    Remind us the last time Utah had an 11+ win, Top 12 finish.

    Remind us the last time Utah had back-to-back 11+ win, Top 15 finishes.

    Remind us the last time Utah had back-to-back Top 20 ranked conference champions.
    ---------
    It's my good friend Bluecoug. Speaking of reminding; remind me again how Mika was a lock for a lottery pick? You seem to have swept that outrageous comment right under the rug. Typical.

    Also, remind me how long ago these things happened?

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    July 20, 2017 12:37 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "...and none within the last 10 years."

    Remind us the last time Utah had an 11+ win, Top 12 finish.

    Remind us the last time Utah had back-to-back 11+ win, Top 15 finishes.

    Remind us the last time Utah had back-to-back Top 20 ranked conference champions.

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 20, 2017 11:52 a.m.

    navel lint

    Since 1972, your big brothers have beaten U by more than a touchdown EIGHTEEN times.

    In the same time period, our insecure, BYU obsessed little brothers have only beaten BYU by more than 7 points FIVE times.

    Bottom line, for the past FORTY-FIVE years, BYU has DOMINATED U in lopsided wins.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    July 20, 2017 11:50 a.m.

    Snack PAC - Olympus Cove, Utah
    July 20, 2017 10:20 a.m.

    Utefanfer

    Utah fans celebrate pre-season SOS rankings and are not dream of these other accomplishments...

    BYU fans celebrate National Championships, Heisman Trophies, National player awards, SEVENTEEN Top 25 finishes, conference championships, and 11+ win seasons
    ---------
    and none within the last 10 years. Yipppiieee!

  • CG Provo, UT
    July 20, 2017 11:32 a.m.

    Naval Vet

    "On the contrary little bro, it's cougar fans who've been kidding themselves, and only because they're a bunch of insecure "little brothers" too embarrassed to admit that the USC team that the Utes beat was the same USC team as every week thereafter: same QB, same coach, same game stats."

    LOL

    The USC team that Utah played had a Freshman QB who was starting his very first collegiate game.

    Are you really so delusional as to believe that he was the same QB in the Rose Bowl as he was when he played Utah?

    NOPE!

    That's nothing but a crimson bubble hallucination.

    USC improved dramatically week to week, not losing another game the rest of the season.

    Utah got steadily worse week to week, losing to two losing teams and barely beating 7-loss Indiana.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 20, 2017 10:21 a.m.

    Snack WAC:

    On the contrary little bro, it's cougar fans who've been kidding themselves, and only because they're a bunch of insecure "little brothers" too embarrassed to admit that the USC team that the Utes beat was the same USC team as every week thereafter: same QB, same coach, same game stats.

    You teeny-tiny little brothers are always trying to claim that our wins over you guys and every ranked team we'd beaten since 2013 "doesn't count", but only because you're all so insanely jealous that we CAN -- and often DO -- beat P5 teams that finish the regular season ranked...

    ...whereas you all have to travel back in time 20-yrs to find even ONE! And even then, we can claim NINE!

    Edge: Utah.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    July 20, 2017 10:20 a.m.

    Utefanfer

    Utah fans celebrate pre-season SOS rankings and are not dream of these other accomplishments...

    BYU fans celebrate National Championships, Heisman Trophies, National player awards, SEVENTEEN Top 25 finishes, conference championships, and 11+ win seasons

  • Utahman4life Lehi, UT
    July 20, 2017 9:48 a.m.

    @ sky walker
    I think U have your fanbases mixed up.
    One fan base had an airport celebration in September, had Quest for perfection t shirts printed up, predicts Heisman winners and plays a G5 schedule.
    The other fan base plays a P5 schedule, is a top 25 program, and has won 6 in a row and 11/14.
    See the difference?

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    July 20, 2017 9:16 a.m.

    Utahfan4life

    "only Cougar fans think its more important where u start the season and not where u finish"

    Nope, that's Utah fans who brag incessantly about the conference championships they've won and the Rose Bowl appearances they've earned in September...

    and then the reality of November hits them.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    July 20, 2017 9:10 a.m.

    Wise decision. One of the other teams has no "throw game" and the other team's coach is sitting on a very hot seat.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    July 20, 2017 9:09 a.m.

    Naval

    Don't kid yourself.

    Only a insecure crimson goggles wearer would try to claim that the USC team that Utah beat was even close to the team that beat Penn St in the Rose Bowl.

    USC finished the season 9-0, dominating every team U lost to.

    Utah finished the season 4-5, and barely squeaked out a win over Indiana.

  • Utahman4life Lehi, UT
    July 20, 2017 8:51 a.m.

    only cougar fans think its more important where u start the season and not where u finish, lol

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 20, 2017 8:08 a.m.

    B C:

    "Utah beat an unranked USC team..."

    That's just cougar folklore, born out of intense jealousy over our 6th win over final ranked P5 teams over the past 4 yrs, whereas you all are still looking for your 1st win since 1998.

    It was the same team, with the same coach, and the same QB, putting up relatively the same game stats (except for the final score) as their complete season averages. How miserable for you.

    Have fun playing small ball.

  • Road Runner Cedar City, UT
    July 19, 2017 9:07 p.m.

    It's going to be a glorious day in Utah football history when the Utes win their first SOS national championship...

    of course, the Utes will probably finish with no bowl and 10 losses,

    but getting that coveted #1 SOS trophy to add to their trophy closet will be well worth it.

  • MRM Ogden, UT
    July 19, 2017 8:41 p.m.

    Utah had a nice record, 10-3, against a good SOS, #26 in 2015, but the Utes lost three games to teams with a combined SEVENTEEN losses,

    and

    U finished with a LOSING record, 2-3, versus PAC 12 South teams,

    and

    U only beat Colorado(3-9) by 6.

  • FACTchequer Salt Lake City, UT
    July 19, 2017 8:24 p.m.

    azute1

    "Now go ahead & list respective Sos rankings..."

    hmmm, not much difference at all between BYU's SOS in 2007(59) and in 2009(61), and Utah's much ballyhooed SOS last season(60), but...

    BIG difference in record and final rankings

    2007 #14 BYU(11-2)
    2009 #12 BYU(11-2)

    2016 #23 Utah(9-4)

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    July 19, 2017 8:07 p.m.

    AZUTE1

    "Now go ahead & list respective Sos rankings per team/year..."

    As usual, our insecure little friends conveniently ignore the other half of the equation...

    RECORD versus sos (which has already been baked into the rankings):

    2006 BYU 11-2 (74)
    2007 BYU 11-2 (59)
    2008 BYU 10-3 (74)
    2009 BYU 11-2 (61)

    2014 Utah 9-4 (36)
    2015 Utah 10-3 (26)
    2016 Utah 9-4 (60)

    Utah had MORE losses in THREE years (11), than BYU had in FOUR (9).

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    July 19, 2017 7:40 p.m.

    AZUTE1

    "Now go ahead & list respective Sos rankings per team/year..."

    Typical frantic and emotional response from the little red engine on the hill crowd.

    SOS has already been calculated into the rankings.

    Sorry, but U don't get two or three bites at the apple just to sate your massive inferiority complex.

    btw, Utah's best team in history was included in that 2006 to 2009 period, with a so-so SOS of 56, not much different than BYU's #12 ranking in 2009 with a SOS of 61.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    July 19, 2017 7:14 p.m.

    "If you want to talk past history, BYU's AVERAGE finish from 2006 to 2009 was higher than Utah's HIGHEST finish from 2014 to 2016."

    Now go ahead & list respective Sos rankings per team/year....I'll wait....And please nothing tangential, but rather precisely what I asked for.

    You could also list the overall head-to-head record for all years referenced.

  • BYUFan12 Meridian, ID
    July 19, 2017 6:18 p.m.

    Romney is now a 4* recruit according to Scout, amazing pickup for the Cougs!!!

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 19, 2017 6:06 p.m.

    @Snack PAC: "Utah only beat two decent teams all season, both at home, one by only a single point."

    @Uteology: "Nope!"

    If you're going to dispute a claim, then provide evidence to support your claim.

    Besides BYU, who U beat by ONE, and USC, who U beat by FOUR, both at home, who else did U beat that could be classified as "decent"?

    Here's a clue:

    #102 Arizona, #75 Oregon St, #70 UCLA, #90 ASU, and #69 Indiana were your only other wins.

    Other than USC, #52 Toledo and #47 Mississippi St were both better than any of the PAC 12 teams you beat.

  • phantomblade Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 19, 2017 5:54 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    "Utah's high pressure Defense forced Hill to make that bad throw, and Utah's LB made the heads-up play, thus forcing that turnover."

    Are completely incapable of giving an honest analysis of a single play?

    There wasn't a Utah player within two yards of Taysom when he threw a pass slightly behind his receiver, who tipped the pass directly into the waiting arms of a Ute defender, who had nothing but 42-yards of green turf and an escort of four Utes players between him and the end zone for a gift-wrapped pick 6.

  • B C Park City, UT
    July 19, 2017 5:37 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    "Utah beat #3 USC"

    Nope!

    Utah beat an unranked USC team that lost 3 of 4 to start the season and was lead by a Freshman QB starting his very first collegiate game.

    The USC team that Utah beat was only a shadow of the team that played Penn St in the Rose Bowl.

    USC didn't even crack the AP poll until the ELEVENTH week of the season.

    USC caught U the twelveth week.

    And in the thirteenth week, left U in the dust, pulling TEN places ahead of U .

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    July 19, 2017 5:22 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    "Utah is a top 25 program in all MAJOR polls, BYU is not."

    WAS!

    The 2017 pre-season polls haven't even been published.

    If you want to talk past history, BYU's AVERAGE finish from 2006 to 2009 was higher than Utah's HIGHEST finish from 2014 to 2016.

    And let's not forget, BYU had THREE 11+ win, Top 15 finishes, more than the wannabe "big boy" Utes have had in their entire history.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    July 19, 2017 5:14 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    "Utah's high pressure Defense forced Hill to make that bad throw, and Utah's LB made the heads-up play, thus forcing that turnover."

    Nope!

    There was no pressure on Taysom. He simply made an off-target throw behind his receiver giving the defender a gift-wrapped pick 6.

    The defender didn't even have to alter his route to make the intercept.

  • brother roscoe Lehi, UT
    July 19, 2017 2:38 p.m.

    @ snak pack
    and byU's biggest win was at home in ot against mighty Toledo. lol

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 19, 2017 2:13 p.m.

    @Snack PAC - Olympus Cove, Utah

    Counting all games, Utah only beat two decent teams all season, both at home, one by only a single point.

    U only finished a few places ahead of BYU in the AP and U finished behind BYU in Sagarin.

    Sorry pal, but your frantic and emotional attempt to prove that there was a huge gap between BYU and Utah in 2016 has failed miserably.

    ----------------

    Nope, counting all games:

    * Utah is a top 25 program in all MAJOR polls, BYU is not.

    * Utah was 6-4 vs P5, BYU 3-3.

    * Utah beat #3 USC, BYU lost by "one-point" to #23.

    BYU would be 4-8 or 5-7 playing Utah's schedule.

  • Squirtle ,
    July 19, 2017 2:02 p.m.

    @Naval Vet - Philadelphia, PA
    July 19, 2017 12:45 p.m.

    "Utah's high pressure Defense forced Hill to make that bad throw, and Utah's LB made the heads-up play, thus forcing that turnover. Utah also provided the running lane for that pick to be run back for 6. He didn't just walk in ya know, and neither did your Offense pull a "Jake Heaps" and "wave him in" to the Endzone.

    Bottom line: Utah made the play. The cougars did NOT! Edge: Utah.

    See how THAT works?"

    -----------

    It doesn't. It's bogus like all of your supposed logic. Tired and sad really.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    July 19, 2017 1:32 p.m.

    "'Agreed. But its also wrong to make other meaningless claims like when was the last time BYU led in the fourth quarter.' Why? cause it doesn't fit the cougar narrative that byU is on par with Utah? Answer my question then?"

    I'm sorry, but making the argument that BYU is not on par with Utah because they didn't have the lead in the 4th quarter is very weak. It's naive to think that the only close games are games where the lead changes a lot in the 4th quarter.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 19, 2017 12:45 p.m.

    Rockwell:

    Utah's high pressure Defense forced Hill to make that bad throw, and Utah's LB made the heads-up play, thus forcing that turnover. Utah also provided the running lane for that pick to be run back for 6. He didn't just walk in ya know, and neither did your Offense pull a "Jake Heaps" and "wave him in" to the Endzone.

    Bottom line: Utah made the play. The cougars did NOT! Edge: Utah.

    See how THAT works?

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    July 19, 2017 12:31 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    Taysom threw behind his receiver, GIVING Utah an easy touchdown.

    Utah didn't do anything to force the pick six, unlike many of Utah's turnovers, which BYU created.

  • Jello is Good ,
    July 19, 2017 12:22 p.m.

    Squid Boy:

    Ahh. I see. You will respond to me as "Fear the Turtle". Must be afraid to get a little Jello on you.

    Not talkin to Snack, was addressing you and your flawed and obsessed logic. I will re-post my comment. Try to craft a sane response that is not so frantic and emotional or uses your tired mantra.

    "Utah played poorly enough and BYU played well enough that 6 turnovers occurred. I'm sure Coach Kyle will tell you that the turnovers weren't spotted. So either BYU was good or Utah was bad to have created them. (or a combination of both.)

    You are right on the second part. Utah was good enough to, in your own words, "edge" BYU by 1 point. Congratulations."

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 19, 2017 11:35 a.m.

    Fear the Turtle!!:

    "Utah played poorly enough and BYU played well enough that 6 turnovers occurred."

    What? Where was that sort of logic when Snack WAC was claiming, "BYU spotted U a touchdown on their first play from scrimmage..."??? Homer much?

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 19, 2017 11:29 a.m.

    Cougar in Texas:

    "Other BYU players with no P5 offers: Jamaal Williams (Boise, SDSU)"

    Jamaal Williams had a P5 offer from Utah. I wonder when they'll finally start teaching students how to do "research" at the Y.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 19, 2017 11:29 a.m.

    backWACn:

    “The best Utah team in PAC 12 history, LOST, at home, to a UCLA team that LOST to Nebraska in their bowl game… BYU beat that same Nebraska team, in their home opener…”

    And your point is……what? That because Neb beat UCLA, and UCLA beat Utah, that somehow means that the cougars are better than Utah? And DESPITE the fact that cougars not only LOST to the Utes that year, they’d lost to the Utes EVERY year that we’ve played going all the way back to 2010!

    Newsflash: Neb finished 6-7 that year. The UCLA win notwithstanding, they were a very mediocre team in 2015. You ARE aware that they’d lost to Illinois (5-7) and Purdue (2-10) that year too, aren’t you? How miserable for you.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 19, 2017 11:29 a.m.

    backWACn:

    “And if BYU's two-point conversion had been successful...the roles would have been reversed.”

    Nope. It doesn’t work that way. There IS no “if”, because they DIDN’T! I could just as easily say, “And if Utah went for it on 4th-&-inches late in the 4th Qtr, deep, deep, DEEP inside your redzone, Utah would have won by even MORE points, despite turning the ball over 6 times, and losing the turnover margin.” In fact, that would be the more plausible “if” story, seeing as how Utah converting on 4th-&-inches is SUBSTANTIALLY more likely than the cougars converting a 2-pt play, and ESPECIALLY considering the cougars went 0-for-4 on 2-pt conversions back in 2016. So “if” there really WERE “ONE play” that determined the outcome of that game, it was Utah kicking the FG to win by 1 rather than punching it into the endzone to win by 4. How miserable for you.

  • My Rash is Red ,
    July 19, 2017 10:28 a.m.

    @Utahman4life - Lehi, UT

    You are making the mistake of confusing my comments from many others you have either heard or imagined. Let me be clear:

    Head to head Utah was 1 point better than BYU. Period.

    For the past 6 games Utah has been better than BYU. Period.

    In all but one of those 6 games the deciding score was less then 7 points and could have changed the outcome by one play. Or one play could have allowed Utah to win by more. Period.

    I have given no excuses nor have I said BYU should have won the game or was better than Utah. I have simply stated the truth with no emotion or shade. Are you capable of doing the same?

  • Fear the Turtle!! ,
    July 19, 2017 9:10 a.m.

    @Naval Vet - Philadelphia, PA
    July 19, 2017 8:05 a.m.

    "Utah spotted the cougars 6 turnovers. And STILL won!

    Edge: Utah."

    No they didn't. Utah played poorly enough and BYU played well enough that 6 turnovers occurred. I'm sure Coach Kyle will tell you that the turnovers weren't spotted. So either BYU was good or Utah was bad to have created them. (or a combination of both.)

    You are right on the second part. Utah was good enough to, in your own words, "edge" BYU by 1 point. Congratulations.

  • Utahman4life Lehi, UT
    July 19, 2017 8:58 a.m.

    @ Jello
    I hear what u are saying. Let me hit your points.

    "Don't you see the hypocrisy in your post? A good team should win when the other team turns the ball over 6 times, but a good team doesn't turn the ball over 6 times." Exactly my point, Utah played a bad game and was still won! byU turns it over 6 times and the vegas bowl was over. Oh wait, byU "spotted" us those points, I forgot that part of the narrative.

    "Agreed. But its also wrong to make other meaningless claims like when was the last time BYU led in the fourth quarter." Why? cause it doesn't fit the cougar narrative that byU is on par with Utah? Answer my question then?
    "Had a play gone in BYU's favor, they would have won." Smh.
    Had joe Williams stretched a little on 3rd down and got the first Utah either scores a TD or runs out the clock thus eliminating the 'Utah is only one better at home against a new coaching staff' narrative.
    All that said if byU is going to end the streak its going to have to be this year, I just don't see it happening in 2018 at RES.
    Best of luck this year, curious to see how magnum does the first part of the season.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 19, 2017 8:05 a.m.

    Snack WAC:

    Utah spotted the cougars 6 turnovers. And STILL won!

    Edge: Utah.

  • Jello is Good ,
    July 19, 2017 7:04 a.m.

    @Utahman4life - Lehi, UT
    July 18, 2017 4:44 p.m.

    "Not sure why their is such a debate over last seasons one point win. Utah had 6 turnovers and still won, a good team wins when the other team turns the ball over that many time.
    Now, 6 in a row and 11/14 IS dominating however, and when was the last time byU held the lead in the 4th quarter? I'll wait"

    Don't you see the hypocrisy in your post? A good team should win when the other team turns the ball over 6 times, but a good team doesn't turn the ball over 6 times.

    You say It's wrong to state that BYU only lost by a point but it was close because the final score is what counts. Agreed. But its also wrong to make other meaningless claims like when was the last time BYU led in the fourth quarter.

    The fact is Utah won by one point. To say that any one specific play decided the game, as any play in the game could have changed the outcome in either favor, is false. Utah won and by so doing was ranked at the end of the year and BYU was not. Had a play gone in BYU's favor, they would have won, ended the year ranked and Utah would not have. But it didn't and Utah won. Congratulations.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 19, 2017 6:59 a.m.

    Whatsnu:

    Ute fans don't call "1-pt wins" dominating. We call "winning 6 in a row" and "winning 11 of 14" dominating.

    And it is.

    You guys got DOMINATED by Utah.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 19, 2017 6:57 a.m.

    Snack WAC:

    Utah spotted the cougars 6 turnovers. And STILL won!

    Edge: Utah.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    July 18, 2017 5:31 p.m.

    Utahman4life

    BYU spotted U a touchdown on their first play from scrimmage, and still only lost by a point.

    None of Utah's turnovers lead to a score.

  • Utahman4life Lehi, UT
    July 18, 2017 4:44 p.m.

    Not sure why their is such a debate over last seasons one point win. Utah had 6 turnovers and still won, a good team wins when the other team turns the ball over that many time.
    Now, 6 in a row and 11/14 IS dominating however, and when was the last time byU held the lead in the 4th quarter? I'll wait

  • Whatsnu Sandy, UT
    July 18, 2017 4:05 p.m.

    AZUTE1

    "An 8 pt W is hardly "dominating"...."

    It is when Utah fans are spouting off about a 1-point win being "dominating".

  • backpacn Sandy, UT
    July 18, 2017 4:01 p.m.

    AZUTE1

    "Why evade me on my question?"

    Why bury your head in the sand and ignore reality when it's obvious that Nebraska was a very good team, despite their "record"?

    Just admit it.

    The best Utah team in PAC 12 history, LOST, at home, to a UCLA team that LOST to Nebraska in their bowl game.

    BYU beat that same Nebraska team, in their home opener, for the first time in 30 years.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    July 18, 2017 3:48 p.m.

    "Azute1

    What was Utah's record?

    Nebraska was good enough to dominate the bowl team (UCLA), who dominated U on your home turf."

    Why evade me on my question?

    I'll ask yet again, what was Nu's final record/ranking?

    p.s. An 8 pt W is hardly "dominating"....And you go ahead & list our final record/ranking that yr, even though it's entirely irrelevant to the discussion.

  • backpacn Sandy, UT
    July 18, 2017 3:42 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    "We finished 13 places ahead of [BYU]. So if Utah were only a "few places ahead" of you..."

    And if BYU's two-point conversion had been successful...

    the roles would have been reversed.

    BYU(10-3) would have finished the season ranked in both major polls and in the CFP,

    and

    Utah(8-5) would have finished the season unranked in any major poll or the CFP.

    The "giant chasm" between BYU and Utah, that Utah fans have been spouting off about, was literally the result of ONE play during the entire season.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 18, 2017 2:17 p.m.

    Snack WAC:

    "U only finished a few places ahead of BYU in the AP..."

    We finished 13 places ahead of our small-ball playing little brother. So if Utah were only a "few places ahead" of you, then that means that we were nearly a Top-10 team, seeing as how that's about how far we were behind Michigan. You guys on the other hand were nowhere NEAR Michigan/Top-10. The gap between the Utes and the cougs is HUGE!

    Edge: Utah.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    July 18, 2017 1:36 p.m.

    NV

    Counting all games, Utah only beat two decent teams all season, both at home, one by only a single point.

    U only finished a few places ahead of BYU in the AP and U finished behind BYU in Sagarin.

    Sorry pal, but your frantic and emotional attempt to prove that there was a huge gap between BYU and Utah in 2016 has failed miserably.

  • TrueBlue Provo, UT
    July 18, 2017 1:23 p.m.

    Azute1

    What was Utah's record?

    Nebraska was good enough to dominate the bowl team (UCLA), who dominated U on your home turf.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 18, 2017 1:09 p.m.

    Whatsnu:

    "What you're still struggling to understand is that unless you're dealing with a two-team conference, championships are NEVER determined by one head-to-head game."

    I'm not the one struggling with that concept little bro. It's the cougar fans like "Marked it Down", "No playoff for U", "BleedCougarBlue", "talkinsports", "DeepBlue", "Chamberlain", "phantomblade", "scenic view", "LonestarRunner", "Swoop", "SportsFan", "The Rock", and possibly even "Elkhorn" that are having a tough go at the concept of "all games count[ing]".

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 18, 2017 12:47 p.m.

    Whatsnu:

    "What you're still struggling to understand is that unless you're dealing with a two-team conference, championships are NEVER determined by one head-to-head game."

    I'm not the one struggling with that concept little bro. It's the cougar fans like "Marked it Down", "No playoff for U", "BleedCougarBlue", "talkinsports", "DeepBlue", "Chamberlain", "phantomblade", "scenic view", "LonestarRunner", "Swoop", "SportsFan", "The Rock", and possibly even "Elkhorn" who are the ones struggling with the concept of "all games count[ing]".

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 18, 2017 12:47 p.m.

    Whatsnu:

    "What you're still struggling to understand is that unless you're dealing with a two-team conference, championships are NEVER determined by one head-to-head game."

    I'm not the one struggling with that concept little bro. It's the cougar fans like "Marked it Down", "No playoff for U", "BleedCougarBlue", "talkinsports", "DeepBlue", "Chamberlain", "phantomblade", "scenic view", "LonestarRunner", "Swoop", "SportsFan", "The Rock", and possibly even "Elkhorn" who are the ones struggling with the concept of "all games count[ing]".

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    July 18, 2017 12:20 p.m.

    "Only a clueless Utah fan would claim that beating Nebraska in their home opener for the first time in 30 years ISN'T a signature win."

    What was Nu's final record/ranking?

  • Stockton#12 Centerville, UT
    July 18, 2017 12:07 p.m.

    @Naval Vet

    'Okay, sure....if you insist on counting the 2014 UWa-Ga St game, wherein Cyler Miles lost his helmet, forcing him onto the sidelines, and Troy Williams came in for only ONE SINGLE PLAY, in garbage time, late in the 4th-Qtr, and rushed for 5-yds, then yes, he played in 16-games, rather than 15. But to me, that game wasn't representative enough to be included. It was just ONE PLAY!'

    Fair enough. But, since you refuse to look at the apples to apples comparisons I've pointed out in previously, we need to look at all stats.

    Also, sorry for not focusing on your original argument that Utah does have a proven QB. I agree with you...Williams is a good quarterback. In fact, I can see him developing into a very good quarterback.

    But, if we want to debate which quarterback is considered better, I think it's safe to assume that most unbiased observers would pick Tanner Mangum. Especially since he's been named to the Maxwell Watch List.

    Again, only time will tell. Mangum may end up being another BYU bust, and Williams may win the Heisman, although I doubt either will happen. I DO expect both to have good careers, and win a lot of games for their respective teams.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    July 18, 2017 11:57 a.m.

    "Not it isn't. 'Frantic and emotional' is someone who bases their position on 'emotion(s)' rather than 'fact(s)', and does so out of a sense of a 'fear' of inadequacy."

    Naval Vet, you are correct on your definition of "frantic and emotional". However, you are not correct on who best shows these traits. It's understandable when the best your team can do at home against a team in their second game with a brand new HC, OC, DC, offense, and defense and supposedly far inferior recruits is a one-point last minute win. Or was it 17 points?

  • Whatsnu Sandy, UT
    July 18, 2017 11:28 a.m.

    Naval Vet

    What you're still struggling to understand is that unless you're dealing with a two-team conference, championships are NEVER determined by one head-to-head game.

    Utah has never won the PAC 12 South, because Utah has never finished with the best overall record in the South

    Even during the year the Utes tied for the best record in the South, the Utes finished with a losing record versus South teams.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 18, 2017 11:16 a.m.

    Surf is Up:

    "Navel vet, 'frantic and emotional' is someone who trolls BYU article-after-article because they don't think their team gets enough love from the media."

    Not it isn't. "Frantic and emotional" is someone who bases their position on "emotion(s)" rather than "fact(s)", and does so out of a sense of a "fear" of inadequacy. And since the cougars were already struggling enough against their big brother on the hill -- both on the field, and in recruiting -- the fact that Utah had moved on up to join the P5s in the Pac-12, whilst your "Band of Bunglers" were stuck being midmajors forever, and doomed to playing annual small-ball schedules, your "fears" have been very real and palpable. Hence all your fact-free emotional fantsies.

  • Surf is Up Miami, FL
    July 18, 2017 10:51 a.m.

    @Navel vet, "frantic and emotional" is someone who trolls BYU article-after-article because they don't think their team gets enough love from the media. That kind of happens when nothing special happens in the PAC, when it was predicted by ute fans that they would win a Rose bowl trip in the first year.

    Yes, this article has to do with the utes. Kind of. It mentions that they are the losers in a recruiting battle. This is a them that will trend upward year after year going forward, which will ensure that frantic and emotional is how you will continue to be.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 18, 2017 10:37 a.m.

    Marked it Down:

    So in other words, what YOU'RE saying is that Utah truly WAS the only team in the "Conference of Champions" that had a legitimate claim to the 2013 Pac-12 Champion title. After all, with a team consisting primarily of "MWC" athletes, we STILL beat Stanford....not "lost to them by only 1-pt".

    Okay then. But CG will disagree with you on that one.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 18, 2017 10:37 a.m.

    "I asked a simple, direct, 100% applicable question ('How much did Utah beat BYU by in the 2016 game, on the last play of the game, on your home field?') and YOU refused to answer."

    No...you did NOT ask a "simple, direct, 100% applicable question" that I'd refused to answer. What YOU did, was ask a "redundant" question, that had ALREADY been addressed in my July 16, 2017 10:15 p.m. comment. And the fact that you couldn't refute Utah's status as the cougars' 17-pt superior, that WAS your "concession". How humbling for you.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 18, 2017 10:35 a.m.

    Stockton#12:

    "When I looked at both players stats on ESPN, I found that Troy Williams has actually played in 16 games...Based on this, here are the new averages:

    -Mangum 208.35 yards per game
    -Williams 199.56 yards per game"

    Okay, sure....if you insist on counting the 2014 UWa-Ga St game, wherein Cyler Miles lost his helmet, forcing him onto the sidelines, and Troy Williams came in for only ONE SINGLE PLAY, in garbage time, late in the 4th-Qtr, and rushed for 5-yds, then yes, he played in 16-games, rather than 15. But to me, that game wasn't representative enough to be included. It was just ONE PLAY!

    Now don’t try to change the argument. Two days ago, Surf is Up ignorantly stated that “BYU has only one QB who is proven. But that is one more than the utes have now,” and that was proven inaccurate. You then came onto this thread yesterday, at 2:25 pm, to argue, “Only time will tell which quarterback is better. But, so far it’s pointing to Tanner Mangum.” But I say it is NOT! So is your point that Mangum's +8.8 yds/game vs. substantially weaker SOS than Williams' opponents mean that he has the "lead" on TW? Or that it ISN'T pointing to TM after all?

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    July 18, 2017 10:25 a.m.

    @ killarney - Lincoln Park, IL - July 17, 2017 4:04 p.m. - "Gunner Romney announced Saturday that he has committed to BYU to play his college football. The Chandler senior wide receiver emerged during Nike Elite 11 showcases and was named "Top Riser" by Scout national recruiting director Brandon Huffman, at Nike's The Opening in Oregon earlier this summer. Romney, 6-foot-3, 200 pounds, had 70 catches for more than 1,300 yards last season for the 6A champion Wolves. He is the No. 2-ranked wide receiver in the state for the 2017 football season by azcentral sports. Romney, the nephew of former Arizona State and NFL tight end Todd Heap, was offered by Arizona State, Arizona, Iowa State, Boise State, Hawaii, Nevada, UTAH [emphasis added for those here who claim to have formerly served in the US Navy], UNLV and Princeton."

    And yet, for some reason, Utah supposedly did not "really" want Romney. (roll eyes....)

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    July 18, 2017 10:12 a.m.

    MRM - Ogden, UT
    July 17, 2017 8:14 p.m.

    I see that someone has reached a new level of insecurity.
    ------------\
    No playoffforU has always been insecure. The screen name solidifies that.

  • Stockton#12 Centerville, UT
    July 18, 2017 9:03 a.m.

    @Naval Vet

    Thank you for clarifying that you're using the average of both players total stats...my bad.

    When I looked at both players stats on ESPN, I found that Troy Williams has actually played in 16 games (not 15 as you have claimed). Based on this, here are the new averages:

    -Mangum 208.35 yards per game
    -Williams 199.56 yards per game

    For a true apples to apples comparison, let's look at the stats of each player through their first 16 games:

    -Mangum 219.88 yards per game
    -Williams 199.56 yards per game

    So, your statement that Williams holds no lead whatsoever is not accurate. In addition, I've already pointed out other areas, such as total yards, passing yards and TD passes, in which Mangum holds the lead.

    However, here are some stats in which Williams holds the lead:

    -Williams 260 rushing yards vs Mangum -74
    -Williams 16.25 rush yards/game vs Mangum -4.35 rush yards/game
    -Williams 6 Rush TDs vs. Mangum 3 rush TDs
    -Williams 10 INTs vs Mangum 11 INTs

    Again, I acknowledge the fact that Williams has generally played against tougher competition. But, I can only wonder how much better Utah would've done last year if they'd had Mangum as their quarterback.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    July 18, 2017 8:46 a.m.

    Naval Vet

    No "other words" about it.

    In early September, playing at home, against a team lead by a brand new coaching staff, running brand new offensive and defensive schemes,

    Utah was ONE point better than BYU.

    Your "cumulative" point differential of 17 points for common opponents is no more statistically valid than the cumulative point differential of 199 points for the string of opponents starting with BYU's domination of Michigan St. and ending with Utah's narrow loss to conference bottom dweller Oregon.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 18, 2017 8:22 a.m.

    CG:

    "A single game...doesn't necessarily define a team for an entire season."

    So in other words, in your own "dodgy, roundabout" way, what you're saying is the Utes' 6-pt edge vs. Stanford notwithstanding, that did not qualify us as the defacto Pac-12 champion for 2013. Those other 8 league games counted too! Okay then. That means that those other 3 opponents the Utes and cougs both shared on our 2016 schedule count as well, thus supporting Utah's 17-pt edge over our indy-WACey little brother. Just as I'd suspected.

  • Jello is Good ,
    July 18, 2017 8:14 a.m.

    @Naval Vet - Philadelphia, PA
    July 17, 2017 2:43 p.m.

    "If you REALLY don't know the answer to that question, just look at my response from earlier today, at 1:16 pm, because that had already been addressed."

    The fact that you have made sooo many comments on this BYU related article that you have to start referencing them by the exact time you made them in and of itself is pretty darn hilarious.

    Do you have your tickets for Portland State yet?

  • Jello is Good ,
    July 18, 2017 8:09 a.m.

    @Naval Vet - Philadelphia, PA
    July 17, 2017 1:17 p.m.

    "Said the sad, pathetic, indy-WACer who'd never gotten over his blatant obsession over me!"

    Wow. And there is the definition of delusional and obsessed.

    Again, wow.

  • Jello is Good ,
    July 18, 2017 8:06 a.m.

    @Naval Vet - Philadelphia, PA
    July 17, 2017 1:09 p.m.

    "Obviously, you have no idea in the world what makes a “midmajor” a “midmajor”. Luckily for you, I’d just told you. See the above paragraph."

    Actually...FALSE. You lose. P-5 is determined by membership in a P-5 conference. Mid-major is determined by membership to a mid-major conference. Independent designation is given to teams not affiliated with a conference.

    BYU, Notre Dame and Army are a few teams designated "Independent" for football. Your definition of Mid Major is just as flawed as you comparative analysis of BYU and Utah.

    I will give you two rational and legitimate ways to compare as to the teams last year (Not 1984 or 2008). Head to head Utah is 1 point better than BYU. Associated Press ranked Utah 11 spots higher for the season than BYU. Sagarin ranked BYU 1 ahead of Utah.

    All your other analysis has no accepted statistical or relational standing.

  • Jello is Good ,
    July 18, 2017 7:49 a.m.

    @Naval Vet - Philadelphia, PA
    July 17, 2017 12:27 p.m.

    "…but if he wanted to major in a STEM field, we would NOT! Utah owns THOSE fields! So do you know what Romney will be majoring it? Or did you just frantically and emotionally stake a claim over something you know absolutely nothing about? I’m figuring that it’s the latter. And FWIW, your campus is ugly, and your social atmosphere is weird. Edge: Utah."

    Can you stop with the 6th grade name calling. You have to be better than this. The optimist always looks for the good in people.

  • CG Provo, UT
    July 18, 2017 7:11 a.m.

    Naval Vet

    A single game defines a team on a particular day, in a particular location, versus a particular opponent.

    It doesn't necessarily define a team for an entire season.

    Upsets happen and teams can and do get better or worse as the season progresses.

    Utah usually gets worse, hence the frequent November meltdowns.

    Some programs, like Utah, are wildly inconsistent.

    Hence, the ability to upset a struggling USC, but the inability to consistently beat conference bottom dwellers like Cal and Oregon,

    which is why Utah has so pathetically few 11+ win seasons and Top 20 ranked conference champions.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 17, 2017 9:45 p.m.

    Elkhorn:

    What difference do those other 8 Pac-12 games make if we'd beaten Stanford? If a single game defines a team, then that means that Utah was robbed of our rightful Pac-12 title back in 2013, seeing as how we were the only ones who'd beaten the Cardinal!

    So again, which is it? Was Utah the rightful Pac-12 champion on account of our 6-pt win over Stanford in 2013, or do all those other Pac-12 games count as justification that we were not? Because if those other Pac-12 games DO count, than so do those additional 2016 games vs. SUU, Ariz, and UCLA, which therefore supports that Utah was in fact the cougars' 17-pt superior. You can't have it both ways!

  • Elkhorn Loveland, CO
    July 17, 2017 8:52 p.m.

    navel vet

    "So are you suggesting that Utah was 6-pts better than Pac-12 champion Stanford back in 2013."

    Nope!

    You're obviously struggling with a very simple concept here.

    Championships are won by games won, NOT point spreads.

    If team S wins 8 games by a single point each, and loses one game by a single point,

    and team U loses 8 games by a single point, but wins one by a hundred points,

    versus the exact same opponents,

    team S still wins the championship and team U finishes near the bottom of the conference.

  • MRM Ogden, UT
    July 17, 2017 8:14 p.m.

    I see that someone has reached a new level of insecurity.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 17, 2017 7:57 p.m.

    No playoff for U:

    So are you suggesting that Utah was 6-pts better than Pac-12 champion Stanford back in 2013, and should therefore have been the rightful Pac-12 representative in the Rose Bowl? Because in that "single" series, Utah DID beat them by 6, and that the other 8 Pac-12 games were irrelevant!

    You can't have it both ways, so which is it? Utah was only 1-pt better than the cougars in 2016 AND the rightful Pac-12 champion/Rose Bowl participant of 2013? Or was Stanford the rightful Pac-12 champion DESPITE losing the Utes by 6, and Utah was the cougars 17-pt superior?

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    July 17, 2017 7:55 p.m.

    21 and counting, that is nearly 20% of over 100 comments by ONE poster. amazing, simply amazing.

  • No playoff for U Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2017 7:01 p.m.

    Navelvet

    Despite your frantic and emotional claims to the contrary, there is only ONE game in the BYU-Utah 2016 "series" :

    Utah 20
    BYU 19

    and U only won by a single point,

    deal with it!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 17, 2017 6:12 p.m.

    motorbike:

    With all due respect, cougar fans pointing out one game in a series of four, is just like when they count only one quarter of a game out of four. It's just simply flat out disingenuous. If all quarters count, then so too do all common opponents.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 17, 2017 6:09 p.m.

    Stockton#12:

    Sure, Mangum comes out on top if you grant him all his stats in 17 games, and compare them to Williams' stats in only 15, but the reason why I used "game averages" was to even out the disparity. And in those 15 games, Williams' put up 4.3 more yards in Total Offense than had Mangum. Don't try to cherry pick just "passing" stats, because "rushing" stats count too! And if Williams' is +4.3 yds/game, and vs. tougher competition, then you can't claim that Mangum has any "lead".

  • Utah Fan2 Anaheim, CA
    July 17, 2017 6:00 p.m.

    motorbike

    "I'd be happy to have them continue doing so for another 6 straight years."

    Unfortunately, there's no chance of that happening with Detmer having players like Gunner Romney to incorporate into his offense.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 17, 2017 4:23 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    From one Ute to another please put the 17 point thing to rest. Comparing scores from entirely different games/situations is for the most part meaningless. Leave it to Cougar fans to come up with creative ways of proving that their team is somehow better while we continue to call a loss a loss and a win a win -
    Fortunately Utah just happens to have six in a row of the latter!
    I personally have no issue with Cougar fans celebrating close losses, in fact I'd be happy to have them continue doing so for another 6 straight years.

  • killarney Lincoln Park, IL
    July 17, 2017 4:04 p.m.

    Gunner Romney announced Saturday that he has committed to BYU to play his college football.

    The Chandler senior wide receiver emerged during Nike Elite 11 showcases and was named "Top Riser" by Scout national recruiting director Brandon Huffman, at Nike's The Opening in Oregon earlier this summer.

    Romney, 6-foot-3, 200 pounds, had 70 catches for more than 1,300 yards last season for the 6A champion Wolves. He is the No. 2-ranked wide receiver in the state for the 2017 football season by azcentral sports.

    Romney, the nephew of former Arizona State and NFL tight end Todd Heap, was offered by
    Arizona State, Arizona, Iowa State, Boise State, Hawaii, Nevada, Utah, UNLV and Princeton.

  • Stockton#12 Centerville, UT
    July 17, 2017 3:29 p.m.

    @Naval Vet

    '"Since both quarterbacks have only played all 13 games in one season, let's compare the full season each had...Only time will tell which quarterback is better. But, so far it's pointing toward Tanner Mangum."

    I already gave you Williams' and Mangum's total game stats, and they don't show Mangum with any lead whatsoever. In fact, if anyone had any lead, it would be Williams, as he's worth just over 4 more yards of Total Offense than is Mangum, and, as I'd already pointed out, he'd done so vs. much tougher competition.'

    Please forgive me for using the head to head comparison of one full season in my last post. Also, I agree that Troy Williams has generally played against tougher competition.

    However, your statement that Mangum doesn't hold a lead whatsoever is false:

    -Tanner Mangum total yards 3,544 vs. Troy Williams total yards 3,193
    -Tanner Mangum passing yards 3,618 vs. Troy Williams passing yards 2,933
    -Tanner Mangum TD/INT 26-11 vs Troy Williams TD/INT 15-10
    -Troy Williams Rushing yards 260 vs Tanner Mangum rushing yards -74

    True, Mangum has two more games on Williams, but in Mangum's first 15 Div. 1 games, he still holds the lead in most stats listed above.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 17, 2017 2:54 p.m.

    Stockton#12:

    "Since both quarterbacks have only played all 13 games in one season, let's compare the full season each had...Only time will tell which quarterback is better. But, so far it's pointing toward Tanner Mangum."

    I already gave you Williams' and Mangum's total game stats, and they don't show Mangum with any lead whatsoever. In fact, if anyone had any lead, it would be Williams, as he's worth just over 4 more yards of Total Offense than is Mangum, and, as I'd already pointed out, he'd done so vs. much tougher competition.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 17, 2017 2:51 p.m.

    talkinsports:

    "...we're not totally dependent upon using our little brothers as our metric for success."

    Your "little brothers"??? What does UVU have anything to do with this discussion?

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    July 17, 2017 2:48 p.m.

    Naval Vet - Philadelphia, PA - July 17, 2017 1:20 p.m. - "BleedCougarBlue: There was no "silence". You just made that up. I clearly addressed your challenge, but you had nothing in the way to refute it. Ergo, it is I who accepts YOUR concession. How embarrassing for you. 17-pt edge: Utah."

    To use your own pet phrase, "how frantic and emotional of you."

    I didn't "make up" any silence, you did. I asked a simple, direct, 100% applicable question ("How much did Utah beat BYU by in the 2016 game, on the last play of the game, on your home field?") and YOU refused to answer. That ain't me being silent, amigo.

    I will say this, bub...your "17 points" comment above is rapidly going down in history as being the MOST ridiculous post by any Utah fan in the history of on-line comments. Your claim is so silly it even makes Chris B's posts look sane.

    Wear that badge proudly, my friend, wear it proudly.

    Maybe a fellow Utah fan will be able to talk you down off the ledge but as for me, I'm gonna go take a nap.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 17, 2017 2:46 p.m.

    Bluto:

    "18 comments from Naval Vet on this BYU story!...18!!!...That's the textbook definition of an insecure little brother."

    If you think THAT's the textbook definition of an insecure little brother, just look at how many indy-WACers were so worried about what I thought of them, that they addressed me specifically!

    P.S.: It's a LOT more than 18! Haha!

    Obsessed indy-WACers.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 17, 2017 2:43 p.m.

    talkinsports:

    If you REALLY don't know the answer to that question, just look at my response from earlier today, at 1:16 pm, because that had already been addressed.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    July 17, 2017 2:38 p.m.

    navelvet

    "You boys must inconsolable over losing the last 6 in a row..."

    Not really,
    because, unlike our BYU-obsessed rivals,
    we're not totally dependent upon using our little brothers
    as our metric for success.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    July 17, 2017 2:30 p.m.

    18 comments from Naval Vet on this BYU story!
    18!!!
    That's the textbook definition of an insecure little brother.

    Remember Brevity!

    All because of the fact that his Utes lost out on a stud recruit to BYU.
    Utah went after him hard.
    He wasn't even considering Utah as his last two choices...
    They were Oregon and BYU.

    Mid-Major - Pac 11.1 - Utah..... loses out to BYU on one recruit and the Eccles University Red-Tailed Hawks are apoplectic.

    Now that's "Frantic and Emotional".

  • Stockton#12 Centerville, UT
    July 17, 2017 2:25 p.m.

    @Naval Vet

    'Surf is Up:

    "BYU has only one QB who is proven. But that is one more than the utes have now."

    Not so. Utah has Troy Williams, who in 15 games (including his 2 games while at UWa), who's averaged 195.5-yds passing, and 17-yds rushing per game for a grand total of 212.5-yds in Total Offense. And that stacks up pretty well vs. Tanner Mangum's game stats of 17 total games, wherein he'd averaged 212.8-yds passing, and -4.4-yds rushing per game, for a grand total of 208.5-yds in Total Offense. And Williams' stats were vs. significantly tougher opponents'

    Thanks for the comparison. Since both quarterbacks have only played all 13 games in one season, let's compare the full season each had.

    Tanner Mangum 2015: 3377 passing yards, 60% completion rate, 23 TDs vs. 10 INTs, -96 Rushing yards.

    Troy Williams 2016: 2757 passing yards, 53% completion rate, 15 TDs vs. 10 INTs, 235 rushing yards.

    Only time will tell which quarterback is better. But, so far it's pointing toward Tanner Mangum.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    July 17, 2017 2:13 p.m.

    navelvet

    "There is no evidence whatsoever that the Cougars could possibly be 199-pts better than the Utes, because the comparative games were rambling and unrelated."

    How can you say that the "comparative games were rambling and unrelated", when there's a direct connection team-to-team-to-team through the entire sequence of games?

    Of course, when you totally divorce your comparisons from logic, anything "makes sense".

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 17, 2017 1:45 p.m.

    DeepBlue:

    “Based on comparative scores, which is the same ‘factor’ used in your silly 17-point ‘analysis’,…BYU is 199 points BETTER than U.”

    On the contrary little bro, you and LonestarRunner were the ones creating “silly analyses”. There is no evidence whatsoever that the cougars could possibly be 199-pts better than the Utes, because the comparative games were rambling and unrelated. So unless you can explain why Utah beat Arizona by 13-pts, rather than by 3, then you’re going to have to accept that ALL comparative games must be tallied when comparing two teams.

    You boys must inconsolable over losing the last 6 in a row, nearly 80% of the past 15-yrs, and lived your entire lives on the losing end of the all-time series to have to carry on with your daily, desperate, illogical spin to assuage the anguish over being so blatantly inferior to the Utes.

  • No playoff for U Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2017 1:44 p.m.

    Roscoe

    Utah has NEVER dominated a conference the way BYU did from the mid 70's to the mid 90's.

    BYU has had more 11+ win, Top 15 teams since 2006, than Utah has had in its entire history.

    Utah has had an edge in winning close games recently, but only our frantic and emotional friends on the hill would claim that a 7-point win, or less, is a dominating win.

  • Chamberlain Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2017 1:36 p.m.

    I second the "logic as goofy as a 3 dollar bill" description.

    Utah fans constantly use comparisons of opponents that only BYU or Utah has played, but now we're told by a certain frantic fan that only common opponents "count".

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 17, 2017 1:33 p.m.

    DeepBlue:

    “Based on comparative scores, which is the same ‘factor’ used in your silly 17-point ‘analysis’,…BYU is 199 points BETTER than U.”

    On the contrary little bro, you and LonestarRunner were the ones creating “silly analyses”. There is no evidence whatsoever that the cougars could possibly be 199-pts better than the Utes, because the comparative games were rambling and unrelated. So unless you can explain why Utah beat Arizona by 13-pts, rather than by 3, then you’re going to have to accept that ALL comparative games must be tallied when comparing two teams.

    You boys must inconsolable over losing the last 6 in a row, nearly 80% of the past 15-yrs, and lived your entire lives on the losing end of the all-time series to have to carry on with your daily, desperate, illogical spin to assuage the anguish over being so blatantly inferior to the Utes.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 17, 2017 1:20 p.m.

    BleedCougarBlue:

    There was no "silence". You just made that up. I clearly addressed your challenge, but you had nothing in the way to refute it. Ergo, it is I who accepts YOUR concession. How embarrassing for you.

    17-pt edge: Utah.

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    July 17, 2017 1:20 p.m.

    Mark Twain once said:

    "Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."

    Somehow, that sage advice seems very apropos.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 17, 2017 1:17 p.m.

    TJ:

    "NV...Get over your BYU obsession and move on. It is sad and pathetic."

    Said the sad, pathetic, indy-WACer who'd never gotten over his blatant obsession over me!

    Typical hypocritical coug.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 17, 2017 1:16 p.m.

    LonestarRunner:

    Except that Utah didn't also play Mich St, N Dame, Miami, Ga Tech, Aub, Ark, Fla, Iowa, or Neb last year...

    ...and neither had our indy-WACey little brother also played Ore. So all of those other games you'd mentioned are completely irrelevant! Epic fail. How miserable for you.

    17-pt edge: Utah.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    July 17, 2017 1:12 p.m.

    navel vet

    Based on comparative scores, which is the same "factor" used in your silly 17-point "analysis",

    BYU is 199 points BETTER than U.

    Either that, or it's just as BleedCougarBlue has stated, and the reals "facts" prove,

    U won by a single point, on your home turf, against a brand coaching staff, running brand new offensive and defensive schemes, after BYU spotted U a touchdown on BYU's opening play from scrimmage.

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    July 17, 2017 1:10 p.m.

    @Naval Vet - Philadelphia, PA
    July 17, 2017 12:51 p.m.
    BleedCougarBlue:

    "NavyVet, your logic is as goofy as a 3-dollar bill. Answer me this: When BYU played you on your own home turf in 2016, how many points did Utah win the game by?...Go ahead, I wait with eagerness to read your answer."

    How in the world is factoring in all metrics considered "goofy logic". If Utah were only 1-pt better than our indy-WACey brother, then that would mean that our indy-WACey little brother were only 2-pts better than Ariz. But if our indy-WACey little brother were 2-pts better than Ariz, and Utah was 1-pt better than the indy-WACers, then "[cougar] logically", that would mean that Utah would only be 3-pts than Ariz. So how can you explain the Utes beating them by 13? Answer: You can't. Not by YOUR logic anyway. Ergo, your logic is broken. We have 4 games to compare, so we MUST use all 4. Conclusion: Utah = 17-pts better than our indy-WACey little brother. How miserable for you."

    Your silence about my question above speaks volumes. I graciously accept your humbled concession: last season Utah was hardly any better than BYU.

    See you in September!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 17, 2017 1:09 p.m.

    BleedCougarBlue:

    “…using your own logic, BYU is a ‘mid-major’ school.”

    Not quite. The cougars ARE a “midmajor”, but it isn’t my “logic” that put them there. It was the fact that no P5 conference wanted you that planted you all FIRMLY in the “midmajor” category. And the fact that you all have a losing record vs. P5 teams, and play annual slates of “small ball” certainly isn’t helping you all build up a more “P5-worthy” resume. You need to understand that whether or not one is a “midmajor” isn’t “arbitrary” or “up to interpretation”. It’s really rather cut-&-dry. It’s black-&-white. Either you ARE, or you are NOT, a P5 school. If you are NOT, then you ARE a “midmajor”.

    “Obviously, a ‘mid-major’ school is a ‘mid-major’ school because it only attracts ‘mid-major’ talent. So, tell me again why Utah desperately wanted this particular "mid-major" talent WR to sign with them?”

    Obviously, you have no idea in the world what makes a “midmajor” a “midmajor”. Luckily for you, I’d just told you. See the above paragraph.

  • brother roscoe Lehi, UT
    July 17, 2017 1:08 p.m.

    @lone star
    And when was the last time byU won by more than 7 points? 1996!
    lol
    When was the last time byU held the lead ion the 4th quarter even?
    Look, byU had a good run of domination in the 70's and 80's nobody is denying that, but that was a loooong time ago, much like Utah's domination of the 50's and 60's, or is that too far to go back?

  • phantomblade Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 17, 2017 1:03 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    What makes you think that you get to set the "rules" on how comparative scores are used?

    Regardless of how you spin it,

    LonestarRunner's comparison is just as "valid" as yours.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 17, 2017 1:01 p.m.

    BleedCougarBlue:

    “NavalVet, I went to school my freshman year at the UofU. Graduated from Weber and got my Air Force commission from the Air Froce [sic] detachment at Utah. Never took a single class from BYU, but yet I cheer for BYU and absolutely refuse to cheer for Utah. Know why?...Utah 'fans' like you.”

    Whoops! You had me confused with somebody else who cares about whether or not you cheer for the Utes. And besides, your anecdotal story is bogus anyway, considering the fact that you’re accusing me of churning out constant falsehoods, and supreme arrogance. But if THAT were such a turn off, then that doesn’t explain why you’d be a cougar fan. After all, cougar fans constantly claim to be the better team, even after losing 6 in a row, nearly 80% over the past 15-yrs, over two-thirds over the past quarter century, and had never seen the no-BCS-bowling cougars with the lead in the all-time series. And THAT would be a “constant falsehood” born of “supreme arrogance”.

    Typical hypocritical coug.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 17, 2017 12:51 p.m.

    BleedCougarBlue:

    "NavyVet, your logic is as goofy as a 3-dollar bill. Answer me this: When BYU played you on your own home turf in 2016, how many points did Utah win the game by?...Go ahead, I wait with eagerness to read your answer."

    How in the world is factoring in all metrics considered "goofy logic". If Utah were only 1-pt better than our indy-WACey brother, then that would mean that our indy-WACey little brother were only 2-pts better than Ariz. But if our indy-WACey little brother were 2-pts better than Ariz, and Utah was 1-pt better than the indy-WACers, then "[cougar] logically", that would mean that Utah would only be 3-pts than Ariz. So how can you explain the Utes beating them by 13?

    Answer: You can't. Not by YOUR logic anyway. Ergo, your logic is broken. We have 4 games to compare, so we MUST use all 4.

    Conclusion: Utah = 17-pts better than our indy-WACey little brother. How miserable for you.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 17, 2017 12:39 p.m.

    BleedCougarBlue:

    "Your comment about Utah being '17 points' better than BYU is troubling."

    And not just to you either. Most of cougar nation is extremely troubled by the fact your fanbase -- who'd until just recently been all giddy about losing to your big brother on the hill by a single point -- has now learned that you're actually SEVENTEEN points your big brother's inferior. And that's in ADDITION to the fact that you'd lost 6 in a row, nearly 80% of our games over the past 15 yrs, and sit on the wrong side of a quarter century lead in the all-time series. How miserable for you.

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    July 17, 2017 12:39 p.m.

    NavalVet - If anyone on this message board is "frantic and emotional", it's you. No, not based on the number of posts you make, but on the quality (or lack thereof) of sound logic.

    Still waiting for you to answer my question above.

    Hey, I'll even give you a hint: it's 1 pt more than 0 and 1 point less than 2.

    Am I claiming our 1-pt loss was a "victory". Nope. Unlike you I live in the world called "reality". I do know, however, that your 1-point win on the last play of the game on your own home turf is almost absolute "parity". I know that's a big word for you but you can look it up.

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 17, 2017 12:37 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    Utah can't even win the "small" games on a consistent basis,

    that's why U only have

    TWO 11+ win seasons

    and only

    TWO Top 20 ranked conference champions

    in your entire history.

    btw,

    that 2-point win over a team that hasn't won a bowl game in 30 years was sooo impressive...

    NOT!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 17, 2017 12:31 p.m.

    Swoop:

    "...if you really want to play that game, I'm absolutely certain that we can come up with a string of comparative scores that will prove that BYU was MUCH better than U."

    And I'm absolutely certain that you could NOT! After all, we'd only played 3 common opponents, plus the head-to-head, and I'd already shown you that the point spread put your big brother on the hill up +17. How miserable for you.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 17, 2017 12:28 p.m.

    Bluto (cont):



    “BYU also has a storied Legacy and National Brand…More fans and more exposure than Eccles University.”



    Sure, if you by “storied legacy” you mean “can’t win the big game”, “sub-.500 bowl records”, and “midmajors forever”, but that doesn’t really hold as much appeal to potential recruits as you seem to think it does. Also, you really don’t know how many fans the Y has. All that you DO know is, for however many fans there are, they sure aren’t tuning in to watch your “Band of Bunglers” as frequently as the nation is tuning in to watch your big brother on the hill. Don’t forget…WE’RE the ones with the higher Nielsen Ratings. How miserable for you.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 17, 2017 12:27 p.m.

    Bluto (cont):

    “Better academics at BYU than at Utah... Better campus, aesthetically speaking...Better social atmosphere...”



    Not necessarily. If a kid wanted to major in Accounting, or Family Science, or Boy Scouting, he’d find better programs down there in WACistan…



    …but if he wanted to major in a STEM field, we would NOT! Utah owns THOSE fields! So do you know what Romney will be majoring it? Or did you just frantically and emotionally stake a claim over something you know absolutely nothing about? I’m figuring that it’s the latter. And FWIW, your campus is ugly, and your social atmosphere is weird. Edge: Utah.

  • phantomblade Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 17, 2017 12:18 p.m.

    Just so we're all on the same page come September.

    Ute fan definitions:

    1-point win = dominating win
    7-point win = curb stomping

    It's going to be hysterical to see the backpedaling by our friends on hill on how BYU's win over Utah is categorized in September.

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    July 17, 2017 12:13 p.m.

    NavalVet -

    Your comment about Utah being "17 points" better than BYU is troubling. Being the generous, philanthropic person I am, I am concerned for your well-being. Your issues are so troubling I can tell that you are in desperate need of help so here it is:

    Waaaay off in the distance, you see a tiny light. Everything else around that light is darkness. Ignore the darkness and walk to the light. That light is called "reality".

    You're welcome.

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    July 17, 2017 12:05 p.m.

    Naval Vet - Philadelphia, PA - July 16, 2017 10:15 p.m. - SportsFan: ""New 'Utah' math?" Seriously??? You're acting like you'd never seen this before! I've posted it several times. Here it is again... The Utes and cougars played 3 common opponents (SUU, Ariz, and UCLA) and head-to-head. Versus that field: Utah beat SUU by 24, whereas the cougars beat them by 30. Utah beat Ariz by 13, whereas the cougars beat them by only 2.
    Utah beat UCLA by 7, whereas the cougars lost to them by 3. And of course the Utes beat the cougars. So here's the math...Utes: +24+13+7+1 = +45 cougs: +30+2-3-1 = +28
    And since +45 is SEVENTEEN points greater than +28......Utah is indeed SEVENTEEN points better than the cougs. At a very MINIMUM! And I say minimum because unlike our midmajory little brother, Utah does not feel the need to run up the score vs. FCS teams in a desperate attempt to capture "style" points."

    NavyVet, your logic is as goofy as a 3-dollar bill. Answer me this: When BYU played you on your own home turf in 2016, how many points did Utah win the game by?

    Go ahead, I wait with eagerness to read your answer.

    You CAN count that high, can't you?

  • Lone*Star Austin, TX
    July 17, 2017 11:57 a.m.

    Utahman4life

    Only in the la la land world of uteville is a one touchdown win, or less, considered a "dominating" win.

    Since 1972, Utah has only beaten BYU by more than a touchdown FIVE times.

    In the same time period, BYU has beaten Utah by more than a touchdown EIGHTEEN times.

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    July 17, 2017 11:49 a.m.

    @ Naval Vet - Philadelphia, PA - July 16, 2017 11:54 a.m. - "worf: "Utah with all its NFL players are only a one point difference to BYU...Doesn't sound mid major to me, unless you admit the utes are overrated." That "1-pt loss" mantra to which you small ballers constantly cling is a MYTH! We're not 1-pt better. We're at the very LEAST 17-pts better, and that's already been proven. Additionally, we'd won 6 in a row, and nearly 80% of our meetings these past 15-yrs. Your boys were on the LOSING side of that period. That's a LOT of losing. How "midmajor"-ey. Have fun being midmajors forever."

    NavalVet, I went to school my freshman year at the UofU. Graduated from Weber and got my Air Force commission from the Air Froce detachment at Utah. Never took a single class from BYU, but yet I cheer for BYU and absolutely refuse to cheer for Utah. Know why?

    Utah 'fans' like you. Your type 1) constantly churns out falsehoods (example: a 1-pt win is a 1-pt win no matter how you spin it) and 2) [and this is far, far more important than the first]...the average Utah 'fan' is arrogant beyond belief.

    No thank you.

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    July 17, 2017 11:35 a.m.

    Naval Vet - Philadelphia, PA - July 15, 2017 8:13 p.m. - "worf: On the contrary, the cougs are PRECISELY as midmajory as most folks think."

    Hey, NavalVet, using your own logic, BYU is a "mid-major" school. Obviously, a "mid-major" school is a "mid-major" school because it only attracts "mid-major" talent. So, tell me again why Utah desperately wanted this particular "mid-major" talent WR to sign with them?

    Translation: Your pathetic attempts at trying to constantly demean BYU make me laugh.

  • Utahman4life Lehi, UT
    July 17, 2017 11:18 a.m.

    Good for this young man, hope he has a great career and life post football, sounds like byU is a good for him and his family, legacy kid, wish him the best.
    That said, 6 in a row and 11/14, that my friends sounds more dominant that a 1 point win. Fact.

    @skywalker
    "And let's not forget, after BYU spotted the Utes 35 points to start the Las Vegas, BYU dominated Utah 28-0 the rest of the game, 315 to 71 in passing yards, 386 to 197 total yards."
    smh, that was curb stomping, at no point was byU in position to win the game, congrats on the stats victory though, lol

  • kaysvillecougar KAYSVILLE, UT
    July 17, 2017 11:03 a.m.

    A highly recruited football player commits to the Y and ute fans like our favorite friend in Missouri lose their minds. Classic.

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 17, 2017 10:55 a.m.

    at long last. . .

    ANY recruit commits to BYU and the kids on the hill go wild. Laughable!

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2017 10:52 a.m.

    These so called power conferences are chuck full of mid major programs.
    The PAC has 3 or 4 themselves including Colorado, OSU, ASU, and utah. Every conference has them.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    July 17, 2017 10:36 a.m.

    A guy named "Romney" commits to BYU and the local fans go wild. Laughable!

  • scenic view Baltimore, MD
    July 17, 2017 9:53 a.m.

    I love how the little red engine on the hill continues to celebrate its "dominating" one-point win.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    July 17, 2017 9:47 a.m.

    "I love how the 1 point loss celebration continues. I've never in my life seen fans of any sport at any level celebrate a loss because hey it was only by 1 point"

    I love how the haters throw facts, logic, and reason aside in favor of this tired, old, and untrue talking point.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2017 9:07 a.m.

    Naval Vet

    BYU is 199 points better than U

    Here's the math:

    BYU beat Mich St by 14
    which beat Notre Dame by 8
    which beat Miami by 3
    which beat Ga Tech by 14
    which beat Auburn by 7
    which beat Arkansas by 53
    which beat Florida by 21
    which beat Iowa by 27
    which beat Nebraska by 30
    which beat Oregon by 3
    which beat Utah by 2

    Total point spread = 199 points

  • TrollPolice Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2017 8:30 a.m.

    Gotta luv the bitterness and angst and whiny excuse making generated on the hill every time another recruit chooses BYU over Utah.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    July 17, 2017 8:17 a.m.

    NV
    Get over your BYU obsession and move on. It is sad and pathetic.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2017 8:09 a.m.

    2B

    I love how the little brothers continue to live in the denial that the "mighty PAC 12 Utes" were only ONE point better than the "mid-major Independent Cougars.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2017 8:06 a.m.

    Naval Vet

    You obviously don't understand the concept of head-to-head...

    Utah 20, BYU 19 = ONE point differential

    But, if you really want to play that game, I'm absolutely certain that we can come up with a string of comparative scores that will prove that BYU was MUCH better than U.

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    July 17, 2017 7:33 a.m.

    Let's continue to try and help poor cougie fans out with a few things..........

    1- All the claims of Ty Detmer's greatness at being an OC and this pro style offense and passing attack is so great. LOL is pretty much all I can say! Detmer has shown anything but being a great OC just shows how truly blind homer cougie fans are.
    2- All the comments of how KW switches players to D so that makes this kid better off at the Y. Again LOL I guess just depends on what the kid wants to do if he would like to make millions in the NFL Utah is the place if he would like to have slim to no chance at the NFL and only win college games against inferior opponents than happy valley is the place for him.
    3- I love how the 1 point loss celebration continues. I've never in my life seen fans of any sport at any level celebrate a loss because hey it was only by 1 point LOL! If Utah lost to the team down south I don't care if it was by 99 or 1 either way it's unacceptable. To celebrate a 1 point loss when the team had 6 turnovers to boot is highly embarrassing.

  • Gruncle Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2017 2:52 a.m.

    Great choice Gunnar! Can't wait to see you on the field!

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    July 16, 2017 10:17 p.m.

    phoenix

    "Even in their best PAC 12 season, EVER, the Utes finished with a losing record within their own division."

    Absolutely true:

    2015 - best record since joining the PAC 12, 10-3, ranked #17/#16.

    Lost to USC 24-42, Arizona 30-37, and UCLA 9-17, and barely beat Colorado 20-14,

    to finish 2-3 in the PAC 12 South.

    And let's not forget, after BYU spotted the Utes 35 points to start the Las Vegas, BYU dominated Utah 28-0 the rest of the game, 315 to 71 in passing yards, 386 to 197 total yards.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 16, 2017 10:15 p.m.

    SportsFan:

    "New 'Utah' math?"

    Seriously??? You're acting like you'd never seen this before! I've posted it several times. Here it is again...

    The Utes and cougars played 3 common opponents (SUU, Ariz, and UCLA) and head-to-head. Versus that field:

    Utah beat SUU by 24, whereas the cougars beat them by 30.
    Utah beat Ariz by 13, whereas the cougars beat them by only 2.
    Utah beat UCLA by 7, whereas the cougars lost to them by 3.
    And of course the Utes beat the cougars.

    So here's the math...

    Utes: +24+13+7+1 = +45
    cougs: +30+2-3-1 = +28

    And since +45 is SEVENTEEN points greater than +28...

    ...Utah is indeed SEVENTEEN points better than the cougs. At a very MINIMUM! And I say minimum because unlike our midmajory little brother, Utah does not feel the need to run up the score vs. FCS teams in a desperate attempt to capture "style" points.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    July 16, 2017 9:53 p.m.

    It's absolutely true that the Utes are a mid-major within their own conference.

    The ONLY PAC 12 South team that hasn't been good enough to play in the CCG.

    Even in their best PAC 12 season, EVER, the Utes finished with a losing record within their own division.

  • SportsFan Provo, UT
    July 16, 2017 9:47 p.m.

    navel vet

    "Last year, Utah was actually SEVENTEEN points better! How frustrating for you."

    New "Utah" math?

    The river of denial runs deep from the hill.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    July 16, 2017 9:44 p.m.

    AZUTE1

    "QBs, as in plural? Other than a decent QB in Tanner Mangum

    [who's yet to notch a signature W over a good P5 school]"

    Only a clueless Utah fan would claim that beating Nebraska in their home opener for the first time in 30 years ISN'T a signature win.

    Nebraska beat UCLA 37-29 in their bowl game,

    the same UCLA team that beat U 17-9 on your home turf.

  • CougarOnTheProwl Murray, UT
    July 16, 2017 8:38 p.m.

    Job well done by the BYU coaching staff, the recruits keep coming and Romney is another great get. Welcome Gunner and best of luck to you, look forward to seeing play in BYU blue at LES.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 16, 2017 8:36 p.m.

    The Rock:

    "... last year the Utes were only one point better..."

    That's just cougar folklore. Last year, Utah was actually SEVENTEEN points better! How frustrating for you.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 16, 2017 8:34 p.m.

    Bluto:

    “Oh boy, the nervous nellies are coming unglued.”

    Yeah, but that’s not new. You small-ballers have been acting out all unhinged for YEARS now. So perhaps you ought to take your OWN advise, and lose that mask of False Bravado. You’re not fooling anyone. We can tell. It’s that obvious.

    “Utah went after this kid hard and lost…”

    Utah certainly “offered” him, but where had it ever been reported that we “went after this kid hard”??? That sounded made up.

    “So you see, Utah is a mid-major within their own conference.”

    Nope. You just made that up. How frantic and emotional of you. Utah is the ONLY team in our league to have appeared in every single CFP poll ever published. Utah also owns the league’s best non-conference and bowl records. That sure doesn’t sound very midmajory to me. How miserable for you.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 16, 2017 8:34 p.m.

    Surf is Up:

    "BYU has only one QB who is proven. But that is one more than the utes have now."

    Not so. Utah has Troy Williams, who in 15 games (including his 2 games while at UWa), who's averaged 195.5-yds passing, and 17-yds rushing per game for a grand total of 212.5-yds in Total Offense. And that stacks up pretty well vs. Tanner Mangum's game stats of 17 total games, wherein he'd averaged 212.8-yds passing, and -4.4-yds rushing per game, for a grand total of 208.5-yds in Total Offense. And Williams' stats were vs. significantly tougher opponents.

    "As for the backups to TM, all indications are that the Utes would grab one of them up in a second, if one were to want to transfer."

    There is actually NOTHING indicating that whatsoever. You just made that up. How frantic and emotional of you.

  • mncougar Stillwater, MN
    July 16, 2017 7:44 p.m.

    Nice get for the Cougars. Now just hoping BYU can land QB Tanner McKee. Sounds like McKee and Romney started to develop some chemistry at The Opening Finals.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 16, 2017 6:56 p.m.

    @Bluto

    Sitake & Co. are changing the paradigm in Provo, get used to it.

    -----

    That's as laughable as when you claimed "Independence was the future of college football" in 2011.

  • Stringer Bell Henderson, NV
    July 16, 2017 6:29 p.m.

    Surfs Up: "As for the backups to TM, all indications are that the Utes would grab one of them up in a second, if one were to want to transfer."

    All indications? Please name one "indication" that the Utes would ever be interested in one of them.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    July 16, 2017 6:05 p.m.

    LOL - the usual UU crowd upset that BYU got a player Utah and Oregon wanted. Did Utah get any players that UCLA, USC, Oregon or Washington wanted? Will Utah get out of the bottom half of the conference? Will Utah ever find an offense? If I were a UU fan, I'd be asking those questions. That choke job in Colorado last year was disgusting. Is that just a typical year for UU?

    Utah and BYU play this year. Let's wait and see what happens.

    Meanwhile, I'll enjoy my season tickets to BYU games. And every away game is on ESPN somewhere. All 13 games will be televised. How mid-major is that?

  • Joe Schmoe Orem, UT
    July 16, 2017 5:50 p.m.

    I love what coach Sitake and his staff are doing in Provo.

    Great time to be a Cougar!

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 16, 2017 5:46 p.m.

    worf

    "Utah with all its NFL players are only a one point difference to BYU. Yep! On their own home field..."
    -------------
    And will you please remind everyone of the last time BYU had a lead on Utah in the second half?

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 16, 2017 5:41 p.m.

    london_josh

    "If he went to Utah and had true potential to be a phenomenal WR, he'd most likely wind up playing corner."
    ---------
    ...and make millions in the NFL.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 16, 2017 5:39 p.m.

    Max-was-right

    "Rumor has it that he was embarrassed to attend a PAC ten school that was scared to have a blue Pepsi machine on campus..."
    ---------------
    I love how much the red Pepsi thing bothers you, makes Utah & Pepsi's decision all the sweeter.

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    July 16, 2017 5:20 p.m.

    @ Naval Vet - Philadelphia, PA

    "On the contrary, the cougs are PRECISELY as midmajory as most folks think. Just because a Mormon commits to the Y, that doesn't mean that they're not "midmajors". Poor you."

    And last year the Utes were only one point better, playing on their home field against a team with an all new offense, all new defense and all new coaches.

    If BYU is just a mid major the Utes should have won last year by 2 to 3 touchdowns especially with all those advantages.

    Only one point better and you brag about that for years.

  • top of the world ,
    July 16, 2017 3:45 p.m.

    KimmyP, that was not close to class, sir. Thought you had more depth than that, especially living in such a great place as Grantsville. That's one of the outstanding places in the valley, close to the big city and yet far enough away. It always surprises me how a kid can be made fun of no matter which of the two main universities he chooses. Silly, silly, silly.

    Then there are the class acts such as Wallbanger. Best of success, Gunner. You have the tools, you've played in an extremely difficult high school conference, now go show the doubters just how good you are. Glad you chose the Y.

  • KimmyP Grantsville, UT
    July 16, 2017 1:38 p.m.

    @worf,
    "why would gunner pick a mid-major over Utah?"
    Probably because he looks forward to the "challenge" of playing teams with a combined record of 24/70, then bragging about the number wins the cougars are able to get in any given year, while playing a sos that is higher than a lineman's weight.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 16, 2017 1:18 p.m.

    @azute

    "There's a backstory...not his first choice"

    Lol at the spin and bitterness. Thanks for the belly laughs.

  • Surf is Up Miami, FL
    July 16, 2017 11:58 a.m.

    @azute, you may have a point. BYU has only one QB who is proven. But that is one more than the utes have now. More than U have had in a long time.

    If KW were smart he'd quit raiding the offense for players to put on D. But I hope he sticks with that strategy. I like ute teams always on defense.

    With Anae no longer calling the offense at BYU they now have an OC that actually learns from mistakes. Detmer is a very wise OC, and humble enough to admit/realize if something isn't working. This will pay out huge dividends in seasons to come. Mark it down.

    As for the backups to TM, all indications are that the Utes would grab one of them up in a second, if one were to want to transfer.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 16, 2017 11:54 a.m.

    worf:

    "Utah with all its NFL players are only a one point difference to BYU...Doesn't sound mid major to me, unless you admit the utes are overrated."

    That "1-pt loss" mantra to which you small ballers constantly cling is a MYTH! We're not 1-pt better. We're at the very LEAST 17-pts better, and that's already been proven. Additionally, we'd won 6 in a row, and nearly 80% of our meetings these past 15-yrs. Your boys were on the LOSING side of that period. That's a LOT of losing. How "midmajor"-ey.

    Have fun being midmajors forever.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    July 16, 2017 11:03 a.m.

    @ Dixie Dan

    you wrote:

    "Passing on the Pac 12 for an Independent team that may never play in a major bowl game?
    Good Luck".

    And just how many Major Bowl Games have the Eccles University Red Tailed Hawks played in since joining the Pac 6 years ago?

    answer: Zero...Sip...Nada!

    And the same can be said for abt. 8 other Pac teams.

    So you see, that is an irrelevant and moot point.
    Good Luck.

  • Osgrath Cedar Hills - Utah, UT
    July 16, 2017 10:40 a.m.

    So he chose BYU over other teams. Big deal. I am more concerned with how well he plays the game. Recognizing that HUDL highlights are cherry-picked, I was very impressed with his ability to get open and the aggressive way he goes after the ball when he is covered. In fact, I was most impressed with how he took one pass in the flat another 40 yards for the score - excellent yards after catch. Romney has potential to be a great one, regardless of the team he plays for.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    July 16, 2017 10:36 a.m.

    Oh boy, the nervous nellies are coming unglued.
    Expect more of the same Ute fans.
    Take off your masks of False Bravado.

    Sitake & Co. are changing the paradigm in Provo, get used to it.

    Utah went after this kid hard and lost, it came down to Oregon and BYU.
    So you see, Utah is a mid-major within their own conference.

    If a kid wants to play in the Pac-11.1, he certainly has several "Authentic Blue Blood Programs" to choose from, of which Utah is not one.

    Better academics at BYU than at Utah... Better campus, aesthetically speaking...Better social atmosphere...

    BYU also has a storied Legacy and National Brand.
    More fans and more exposure than Eccles University.

    Welcome kid...welcome.

  • Stringer Bell Henderson, NV
    July 16, 2017 10:33 a.m.

    Bemorefair: "Another recruiting victory over Utah for Coach Sitake. I love it! The best part is all the Ute trolls on this BYU story trying to explain away what is so plain for everyone to see. This is fun! "

    A player named Romney chooses BYU-P. That's the only thing that is "plain for everyone to see" here. Nothing newsworthy about this.

  • Truthfully Eagle Mountain, UT
    July 16, 2017 8:51 a.m.

    Wow, the haters are really on one with this commitment.
    It is downright embarrassing for them.
    My favorite comment was the one where he didn't really want BYU. I guess that's why he committed 7 months before signing day...hilarious.

  • Cougarista Salt Lake City, UT
    July 16, 2017 8:25 a.m.

    It's a good trade off - "mid-major" football and a major education instead of a mid-major education and "major" football.

  • Mick , 00
    July 16, 2017 7:50 a.m.

    Naval vet-

    He is WR. He wants to go somewhere that can throw him the ball. Poor U.

  • bemorefair Villanueva, NM
    July 16, 2017 7:03 a.m.

    Another recruiting victory over Utah for Coach Sitake. I love it! The best part is all the Ute trolls on this BYU story trying to explain away what is so plain for everyone to see. This is fun!

    Go Cougars!

  • Dixie Dan St George, UT
    July 16, 2017 6:35 a.m.

    Passing on the Pac 12 for an Independent team that may never play in a major bowl game?
    Good Luck.

  • ute alumni Salt Lake City, UT
    July 16, 2017 5:31 a.m.

    I was so pleased to read the comments from navel and sir Robyn. True to form their meticulous and brilliant expected commentary sheds a light on cougar football unlike all other Utah backers, with the possible exception of chrissy b.
    I always feel edified after reading their well thought out and incredibly researched commentary. Summing it up as extremely well articulated.
    Thanks guys. You make this ute alumnus very proud.

  • WalkerTexas Ranger Greeley, CO
    July 15, 2017 11:52 p.m.

    Hummmm....Go to BYU and play for a former Heisman QB in front of 58 plus thousand fans for a team with 18 top 25 finishes and home to a national championship or play for the team on the hill in offensive transition (again) with half the top 25 finishes, no P12 south or overall titles (not to mention no national championships) in front of 43,000 fans with a November crash and burn history every year????....smart decision young Jedi...

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    July 15, 2017 11:19 p.m.

    "Yep! On their own home field"

    In case you missed it, we're 6-3 @ les over the last 2 decades. And 1-0 against byu @ a neutral site....The venue never matters, we always beat byu, regardless.

    Fwiw, the ensuing all too predictable responses notwithstanding, per program insiders, who follow recruiting closer than anybody else, this wasn't a case of GR going w/his 1st choice, which byu wasn't.

    There's a back-story as to the real reason he chose to commit to them, which wasn't detailed in this article, yet ought to surface @ some point.

    But nothing's ever prevented byu fans from acting as if divine intervention portends something "magical" is always on the horizon for their team.

    That airport celebration/downtown parade following that W over an OU team that hovered around.500 most of the year & finished it unranked comes to mind, only to watch them get obliterated by Fsu on their homefield merely 2 weeks later....Downright hysterical.

    Go Utes!

  • blue & white Boise, ID
    July 15, 2017 11:13 p.m.

    He is indeed wearing a CTR ring. Welcome aboard, go cougars!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    July 15, 2017 11:05 p.m.

    "Any WR is going to want to go to BYU right now because of the QBs and OC, it's natural to want BYU if you are a WR."

    QBs, as in plural? Other than a decent QB in tm [who's yet to notch a signature W over a good P5 school, Btw, i.e., 1 finishing the yr ranked], who's the other QB/QBs in their stable you speak of? Hoge? Detmer? Ex-SUU commit?

    And td might prove to be a good OC, yet he's proven squat in merely 1 yr @ the collegiate level....Just as you people point to our Coach TT as lacking high-level coaching exp, td's still yet unproven in his own right....And this yr he has a derth of proven WRs/RBs to deal with....He does, however, have 8/9 gimmes to inflate his #s with.

    "If he went to Utah and had true potential to be a phenomenal WR, he'd most likely wind up playing corner."

    Do you know nothing of the WRs we currently possess/will have beyond this year, none of which are even remotely a candidate for our D?

    You're also banking on Coach TT not accomplishing what Coach KW brought him in to accomplish....I wouldn't make that bet.

    Remember, we just hauled in our 2 best recruiting classes in program history & have JT leading the way for next year's class.

    Go Utes!

  • worf McAllen, TX
    July 15, 2017 10:20 p.m.

    @Naval Jelly - Philadelphia, PA,

    Utah with all its NFL players are only a one point difference to BYU. Yep! On their own home field, and with BYU having new coaches, and playbook to learn.

    Doesn't sound mid major to me, unless you admit the utes are overrated.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    July 15, 2017 9:39 p.m.

    @worf

    "Why would Gunner pick a mid-major over Utah?"

    Because he's a legacy kid. He's had a million and one relatives attend mid-major BYU-Provo. Nothing more, nothing less.

    "Perhaps the Cougs aren't as mid-major as some folks had thought."

    Remind us which P5 conference BYU-P is in? Remind us what guarantee they have to get into the CFP as an independent like Notre Dame does? Don't have an answer to one or both of those questions? Then guess what...you're a mid-major.

    No doubt about it, this is a good get for BYU-P. But frankly, these are the kinds of kids you should get (and must get) to keep those recruiting rankings in the 60's.

  • Wallbanger Spanish Fork, UT
    July 15, 2017 9:17 p.m.

    Good for him! As much as I would've liked him to land at the U, anyone who can receive a scholarship by doing something they love, is always a winner in my book, no matter what school they choose.

  • Chessermesser West Valley City, UT
    July 15, 2017 9:05 p.m.

    Why to go to the staff for working with him. He will have a fun career at the Y.

    The U has been great running, but what receiver would want to go there? At least for now.

  • top of the world ,
    July 15, 2017 8:51 p.m.

    One has to root for high school kids, no matter where they go. I can remember well the dream. Best of success at the Y. Get a great education and then on to where ever your talent takes you. You've hooked up with a great program that is only going to get better. I watched the tape and couldn't be more excited to see this young man haul 'em in for the Cougars. Stay healthy and best of success.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    July 15, 2017 8:46 p.m.

    Awesome.
    Welcome to Cougar Nation Gunner.

  • Utes Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    July 15, 2017 8:39 p.m.

    @worf

    "Why would Gunner pick a mid-major over Utah?"
    ------------

    I think Gunner will probably be a fine player for BYU.

    His 247 rating is .8496. BYU's 2017 overall recruiting ranking was .8188. So Gunner is definitely a good pickup for the Y.

    But Utah's 2017 ranking by 247 was .8619. Also, Utah recruited receivers in 2017 with ratings of .8813 (Tyquez Hampton) and .8793 (Bryan Thompson) and So Gunner, had he committed to Utah would have been below average, while being above average at BYU. This factors into probably more playing time at BYU than at Utah.

    Was this the reason? Who knows? But maybe it was a factor.

  • london_josh lincoln, CA
    July 15, 2017 8:31 p.m.

    Any WR is going to want to go to BYU right now because of the QBs and OC, it's natural to want BYU if you are a WR.

    If he went to Utah and had true potential to be a phenomenal WR, he'd most likely wind up playing corner.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 15, 2017 8:13 p.m.

    worf:

    On the contrary, the cougs are PRECISELY as midmajory as most folks think. Just because a Mormon commits to the Y, that doesn't mean that they're not "midmajors". Poor you.

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    July 15, 2017 7:28 p.m.

    That is one very, very smart man!
    Welcome aboard to a Heisman trophy led offense! This dude is going to flourish!

  • Woodworker Highland, UT
    July 15, 2017 6:38 p.m.

    Gunner,
    Welcome to BYU and Cougar nation! I hope all the best for you and your family during your senior year of school, on and off the field.

  • Woodworker Highland, UT
    July 15, 2017 6:38 p.m.

    Gunner,
    Welcome to BYU and Cougar nation! I hope all the best for you and your family during your senior year of school, on and off the field.

  • Max-was-right springville, UT
    July 15, 2017 6:31 p.m.

    Rumor has it that he was embarrassed to attend a PAC ten school that was scared to have a blue Pepsi machine on campus, after all the u has moved on from BYU.

    Good choice Gunner

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    July 15, 2017 6:23 p.m.

    Direct result of the pro set offense that BYU uses. We know it will attract the BEST QB's, a side effect will be the best receivers as well and possibly O lineman. BYU recruiting is alive and well.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    July 15, 2017 6:11 p.m.

    Crazy!

    Why would Gunner pick a mid-major over Utah?

    Perhaps the Cougs aren't as mid-major as some folks had thought.