Breaking down BYU's 2017 football schedule, team by team

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  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Aug. 12, 2017 6:14 p.m.

    So....

    If BYU keeps getting recruits averaging 2.55-2.7 stars, and if Utah keeps getting recruits averaging 3.something stars

    and

    if stars matter so much

    and

    if the best a 3.something-star team could do against a 2.55-star team (one that is breaking in a brand new HC, OC, DC, and offense, and defense) at home was a win by a single point in the last minute that came down to a single play

    THEN

    how would that game (or other similarly close games) have turned out if BYU had, say, 2.9-star recruits? Or 3.1 star average? Just saying...

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 12, 2017 9:56 a.m.

    "Actually I'm well aware"

    Obviously you're not....I've already explained it to you.

    Furthermore, byu always secures their commits early on in the process....This has zero to do with "excitement", as if this year is an exception or something....And, like every other year, byu is mired in yet another 2 star bonanza.

    2.55=Lol.

  • london_josh lincoln, CA
    Aug. 11, 2017 9:28 a.m.

    "You palpably don't understand how recruiting rankings work."

    Actually I'm well aware of how it "works", not sure about being palpably aware, I'll say I'm generally aware.

    Indeed BYU has a lot more recruits than Utah as a lot of players got excited to go to BYU early on - and somehow you feel that this is a black eye for BYU?

    The thing is, #41 and #103 is a huge gap, and we've got players at BYU like our huge DL who just signed who has no stars because football is new to him, same with our headliner of a 410 lb DL just back from his mission, maybe you don't understand how the stars work.

    I don't understand why it matters to you? it means nothing really.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 8:59 a.m.

    "You can be guaranteed, once it's all said & done & we have all of our scholarships accounted for, we'll not only rank significantly higher than byu overall, but our avg star rating will be light-years ahead of byu's."

    And your light-years better players will maybe be able to pull off another dominating 1-point win against BYU this year; those close games are just so dominating and prove that Utah is light-years ahead!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 10, 2017 6:20 p.m.

    "So laugh at the recruiting stats all you want, but the specific rankings are #41 BYU and #103 for Utah."

    You palpably don't understand how recruiting rankings work....byu has 20 commits to our 4....Therefore, they currently have more points accumulated....However, our avg star rating is 3.5 vs byu's 2.55.

    byu generally receives their commits much earlier than we do.

    You can be guaranteed, once it's all said & done & we have all of our scholarships accounted for, we'll not only rank significantly higher than byu overall, but our avg star rating will be light-years ahead of byu's.

    We're deliberately being selective, since we're in the game for a bunch of highly rated recruits.

    You're welcome.

    Go Utes!

  • london_josh lincoln, CA
    Aug. 10, 2017 4:53 p.m.

    "Yet again, mired in their annual 2 star bonanza. Midmajor forever."

    Scout reports on recruiting activities pretty accurately.

    They have recruiting listed and ranked and it's interesting, BYU winds up at #41 on the list, so I looked for Utah in the 20's and didn't find them.

    I searched for Utah in the 30's and 40's and they weren't there.

    Hit the button for more and went 50 - 100 and couldn't find the Utes.

    Assuming that Utah was simply left off I went to look for Utah State and found them and #140 and then scrolling back up I found the Utes hidden right at #103.

    So laugh at the recruiting stats all you want, but the specific rankings are #41 BYU and #103 for Utah.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Aug. 10, 2017 1:25 p.m.

    "Uh, 6 in a row and 11/14 say anything about the state of the rivalry?"

    The fact that they were all close except for a select few (and in 2011 BYU ended up ranked higher than Utah) says that Utah was able to come up with the win in most of the close games lately. Sounds close to me. Whittingham's approach to the game was superior to Bronco's approach to the rivalry game. Now that Sitake is the coach, you can expect change.

    Oh, and congrats on barely beating a "midmajor" school with 2 star recruits by one point at home, especially when that "midmajor" 2-star-saturated teams was breaking in a brand new HC, OC, DC, offense, and defense in their second game. Now that's true domination right there!

  • Utahman4life Lehi, UT
    Aug. 10, 2017 11:02 a.m.

    @ riverton coug

    If BYU is "midmajor" with an annual 2 star bonanza, what does that say about a team that at best can only beat that team at home, when that "midmajor" team with 2 star players is breaking in a brand new HC, OC, DC, offense, and defense in their second game together, by only a single point that came down to a single play in the last minute?
    Uh, 6 in a row and 11/14 say anything about the state of the rivalry?
    Congrats on the 1 point loss last year tho.

    @ Bleeding blue
    I can hear it now from our Utah friends in the wee dark hours of September 10th: "But we're breaking in a new OC and new offense!", "The refs were all Mormons!", The sun was in our eyes the 4th quarter!", and the best excuse of all...."Well, this was not a PAC-12 game so we just don't care about losing to BYU."

    Not so fast my friend! If that does happen, I will be the first to congratulate cougar nation on a hard fought victory with no excuses or rationalizations.
    Will cougar nation do the same?

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Aug. 10, 2017 6:14 a.m.

    "Yet again, mired in their annual 2 star bonanza.

    Midmajor forever."

    1 question:

    If BYU is "midmajor" with an annual 2 star bonanza, what does that say about a team that at best can only beat that team at home, when that "midmajor" team with 2 star players is breaking in a brand new HC, OC, DC, offense, and defense in their second game together, by only a single point that came down to a single play in the last minute?

    Tearing down BYU only makes your team look worse.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Aug. 9, 2017 8:53 p.m.

    SportsFan - Provo, UT
    Aug. 9, 2017 7:00 a.m.
    WACpaddled

    SEC, B1G, ACC, Big 12 doesn't matter, the Utes are too scared to schedule any OOC P5 opponents, but especially the SEC, which Utah has been too scared to schedule since the mid 80's when U were still scheduling them as fund raisers.

    As far as top conferences go, how many National Championships has the SEC won in the last 10 years, compared to all of the other conferences, including the PAC 12?

    U can't claim to be one of the big boys, if U hide behind the skirts of the PAC 12 because you're too scared to schedule the big boys.
    _____

    Now you sound like an SEC homer.
    The SEC has won zero titles. Conferences don't play games, member schools do.

    Have you seen the non conference schedules for SEC schools?

    Yep, Utah is scared to schedule the big boys. They are too busy playing a majority P5 schedule.

  • JapanCougar Layton, UT
    Aug. 9, 2017 7:22 p.m.

    Now that both schools are coached by BYU grads, I see more parity entering the rivalry over the next 10 years. Whittingham's a proven quality head coach. I hope he keeps his job as long as he'd like. Kalani is a great guy who is a lot like LaVell and will turn into a great coach as well.

    Honest question: Have there been any head coaches that have come out of Utah's program? If so, who?

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 9, 2017 5:13 p.m.

    It's interesting to note, per Scout, byu has to date 20 commits w/a 2.55 star avg....Last year they accepted 23 commits w/a 2.71 star avg.

    What was that about "the Kalani effect"?

    Yet again, mired in their annual 2 star bonanza.

    Midmajor forever.

    Go Utes!

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    Aug. 9, 2017 5:00 p.m.

    Update: forgot about our Hawaii game...

    My money says by the end of the year BYU is 11-3 and ranked about #15-16, while Utah is 7-6, maybe 8-5, and unranked.

    And, oh, by the way, BYU beats Utah this year, regardless of what 'AZUTE1" says.

    See you boys in September!

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    Aug. 9, 2017 4:56 p.m.

    My money says by the end of the year BYU is 10-3 and ranked about #17 or 18, while Utah is 7-6, maybe 8-5, and unranked.

    And, oh, by the way, BYU beats Utah this year, regardless of what 'AZUTE1" says.

    See you boys in September!

  • london_josh lincoln, CA
    Aug. 9, 2017 4:18 p.m.

    Sooner,

    I love how you call out people on technicalities.

    You mention that Utah has played 4 ranked teams in a season twice and that BYU has played a single ranked team in a season twice - nice stats bro, technically accurate but what about those seasons in which BYU plays 3 ranked teams - you are completely cherry picking when one stat makes it look like BYU schedules 25% of the bigger teams and the other is that BYU has played 63% of the same types of hard games.

    don't go off on some guy for cherry picking while you are cherry picking.

    This whole "which bear is best" conversation is ridiculous. Here's why:

    1 - BYU generally has one of the hardest September schedule in CFB because we know what our November is like so we schedule big teams at the start.

    2 - Utah generally has a soft schedule in September because they known what their November is like.

    In BYU's situation Utah would do what BYU does and in Utah's situation BYU would do what Utah does. BYU has it's September including a reality check, Utah flies through September and faced November, every fan of football sees it and the teams aren't really far apart.

    It's really simple and doesn't need to be an argument.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 9, 2017 3:29 p.m.

    Rockwell "When was the last time Utah played three straight Top 25 teams in early September?"

    Utah is at a disadvantage, because they have to schedule BYU and the Cougars cleverly start the season unranked. You know the question is silly, because the teams schedule differently -- BYU has to front-load their schedule with a back end of boredom. Utah is "normal" in scheduling a pre-season, and having an exciting November.

    Instead of cherry-picking September, how about counting the whole year?
    Utah has faced 16 top 25 opponents as a PAC member; BYU has faced 10 as an Indy.
    Twice, Utah has faced 4 ranked opponents in a season.
    Twice, BYU only faced 1 ranked opponent (and in 2014, NO ranked opponents).

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    Aug. 9, 2017 3:22 p.m.

    AZUTE1 - Mesa, AZ - Aug. 8, 2017 6:41 p.m. - ".....Fact is, we no longer ever lose to byu, period."

    Roll eyes....

    I can hear it now from our Utah friends in the wee dark hours of September 10th: "But we're breaking in a new OC and new offense!", "The refs were all Mormons!", The sun was in our eyes the 4th quarter!", and the best excuse of all...."Well, this was not a PAC-12 game so we just don't care about losing to BYU."

    Classic.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 9, 2017 3:16 p.m.

    Rockwell "you'd rather hide behind a technicality than answer the question"
    You are trying to award BYU a prize before they even accomplish it.

    Utah could beat North Dakota and still slip in the rankings because of an impressive win by someone behind them. That's how polls work. Even at number 10, if Wisconsin drops to USU and FAU, they won't be be top 25 by the time they travel to Provo.

    I'm not hiding behind a technicality, I am merely adding an asterisks to these self-congratulatory prizes you invent:

    "Started the 2017 season against 3 top 25 teams!"
    * if you don't count Portland State

    "BYU is considered to be a P5 school"
    * for scheduling purposes only
    * except for bowl game access and financial payouts

    "BYU beat Utah last year!"
    * If you don't count the scoreboard.
    * If Detmer called any other play
    * If the refs, If the weather, etc, etc, etc...

  • london_josh lincoln, CA
    Aug. 9, 2017 2:38 p.m.

    voice of reason has it right

    just start playing the games already!

    There are 128 teams playing for 4 spots, SOS is a relevant argument for about 3 of those teams at the end of the season and neither BYU nor our friendly trolls aim to be one of those 3 teams.

  • a_voice_of_reason Woods Cross, UT
    Aug. 9, 2017 1:43 p.m.

    All these articles are killing me - can't we just start the season a couple weeks early? I want to watch some BYU football!!!

  • brick22 Gig Harbor, WA
    Aug. 9, 2017 1:18 p.m.

    There are a lot of people posting here that have way too much time on their hands. Might I suggest getting a little perspective by talking a 2500 mile trip around the western US on a motorcycle, or climbing Mt Kilimanjaro, etc. You'll soon realize how small this whole ridiculous back and forth is. You're like (or probably are) a bunch of 15-year olds living in your parents basements and haven't yet figured out your own identity.

  • london_josh lincoln, CA
    Aug. 9, 2017 11:08 a.m.

    I think that the hardest game for us will be Wiscy - not only could the RBs hurt us (however our DL and LB are stellar but LB are not deep), but their D is crazy tough.

    LSU should be a loss but we could pull an upset.

    Utah and Miss St are toss-ups for me, I think we have the advantage on Utah and not on Miss St but the computer often is wrong.

    Boise should be close but winable - BYU trends to win in Provo and it's in Provo.

    I'm excited for all the games - BYU get's our September and Utah gets their November, end of the day you can be a football fan and enjoy the whole thing or not - let's get it going!

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Aug. 9, 2017 10:52 a.m.

    I disagree with some of the claims being made about scheduling. BYU appears to have a hard time scheduling P5 teams. No, I don't think it's because they are afraid to play BYU (although it could be a factor). I think it's because of two reasons:

    1) October and November are conference games time. It can be a headache for conferences to work an out-of-conference game into the October/November schedule. They can do it, but it's certainly not easy so they discourage it.

    2) Given BYU's situation, they want a relatively easy way out of the October/November game contracts in case they join a conference themselves. This will likely be at the other school's disadvantage, therefore making it harder to seal the deal.

    As for SOS, it's not as big of a deal as people make it. A good team with a weak SOS does not mean the team was bad. Also, suppose that BYU's 5 weakest opponents were ranked 10 places higher. Would that improve their SOS? Yes. Would that change the outcome of those games? Most likely not. BYU has enough good teams on their schedule that the fact that BYU plays Portland State rather than North Texas doesn't mean much, if anything.

  • london_josh lincoln, CA
    Aug. 9, 2017 10:02 a.m.

    The SOS arguments get old and lame.

    BYU does indeed have a weak back-end schedule. I'm thrilled that BYU and Utah play each other in November coming up - if BYU can get a few more late games like that it fixes the schedule.

    Aside from that, some years are better than others on an SOS - Fresno has had some really good years, they were scheduled a long time ago, BYU isn't responsible for the fact that they have a bad record last season - and still it's only speculation as to whether or not they'll be a bad team this year also.

    The problem is that some years teams look good and some years they look bad - in a conference there is a clear advantage because the teams basically all look good as a group - flying solo you are judged by other's results.

    The thing about SOS - is that who cares?

    Are we arguing our place in the CFP top 4 before we start or being argued out of it? BYU will drop 3 games most likely, and if we didn't our scores would have to reflect a power team. For sure the system is tilted towards the SEC, but just sit back and watch, SOS is really meaningless unless you are one of the 8 elite teams each year, neither BYU nor Utah is.

  • Road Runner Cedar City, UT
    Aug. 9, 2017 9:55 a.m.

    Utah fans mock BYU's "easy" schedule, then resort to whiny excuses when asked to provide proof that Utah could successfully handle playing BYU's early season schedule without suffering 2 or 3 losses.

  • CG Provo, UT
    Aug. 9, 2017 9:11 a.m.

    gdog3finally

    The difference between Ute fan bravado, and big boy scheduling is clearly demonstrated by USC.

    The Trojans started the season with Alabama and still had the guts to schedule their traditional rival, Notre Dame.

    USC suffered some early season bruises, while they were breaking in a true Freshman QB, but finished the season as one of the top teams in the country with an exciting win over #5 Penn St in the Rose Bowl.

    Utah had some early season success, barely beating USC and BYU, then crashed and burned in October and November, ending their season in a meaningless bowl barely beating a 6-7 team that hadn't won a bowl game in 30 years.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    Aug. 9, 2017 9:00 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    Thanks for your objective assessment.

    BYU plays arguably the toughest schedule in the country in September and Boise St and Miss St in October are both legitimate challenges.

    IF BYU can make it through their early season gauntlet with only one or two losses, they'll have a chance for a very good season.

  • And so it begins... Sandy, UT
    Aug. 9, 2017 8:31 a.m.

    2b

    "LOL go ahead and tell us of those teams..."

    Doesn't matter their record or rankings, the Utes have already proven that they can't even consistently beat 7-, 8-, 9- and 10-loss conference bottom dwellers,

    see Cal (5-7) and Oregon (4-8) in 2016,

    so what proof do you have that U could beat Oklahoma, Nebraska, Texas, Michigan St, Ole Miss, Mississippi St, or any of the other P5 teams BYU has beaten in recent years?

    You've already proven that you're incapable of handling three Top 25 teams in a row without losing 2 out of the 3.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Aug. 9, 2017 8:16 a.m.

    They have really put together a nice schedule this year. I applaud BYU for that. It's too bad it's so frontloaded, but there's really not a lot of options to back loading it.

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    Aug. 9, 2017 7:24 a.m.

    @CG......"How many times did Utah beat Oklahoma, Texas, Nebraska, Michigan St, Miss St, Ole Miss or even Boise St during those "good ol' days"?
    The difference between BYU today, and Utah of yesteryear, is BYU actually expects to win alot of these games, rather than simply using them as a fund raiser.
    Despite their tough talk, the Utes are too scared to schedule any OOC P5's, especially from the SEC, which Utah hasn't scheduled since the mid 1980's."

    LOL go ahead and tell us of those teams or any for that matter when did the mighty cougies beat a team that finished the season ranked?? Tell us the last time the mighty cougies beat a team that finished ranked as high as USC last year or Alabama in 08 that Utah beat?

    Will be waiting a while, LOL

  • SportsFan Provo, UT
    Aug. 9, 2017 7:00 a.m.

    WACpaddled

    SEC, B1G, ACC, Big 12 doesn't matter, the Utes are too scared to schedule any OOC P5 opponents, but especially the SEC, which Utah has been too scared to schedule since the mid 80's when U were still scheduling them as fund raisers.

    As far as top conferences go, how many National Championships has the SEC won in the last 10 years, compared to all of the other conferences, including the PAC 12?

    U can't claim to be one of the big boys, if U hide behind the skirts of the PAC 12 because you're too scared to schedule the big boys.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Aug. 9, 2017 3:32 a.m.

    FANatics see blue or red again. Bottom line, check Utah's SOS outside of inductive fan bias. Playing atleast nine P5 opponents and usually 10 in a season far exceeds the much smaller number of P5 opponents BYU plays. Yes the Cougars have scheduled some solid programs, but the schedule as a whole has built in wins to a large degree. When the Utes play BYU (like a legislative mandate), and BYU is considered a P5 by some, then why play other OOC P5 teams? The Utes played Michigan when BYU was off the schedule. If Utah played BYU, plus another P5 team (like some Cougars clamour about), then even with a third OCC patsy, Utah would play eleven P5 teams out of twelve teams. Look, talking trash here about Utah being scared is silly. Playing 11 out of 12 games with power conference teams is way over scheduling. Plus it could be 12 out 13 in many bowl scenarios. Bottom line, ten P5 games is enough. And why trash talk. Playing LSU, Utah, Wisconsin and Mississippi State is great, but it's 4 games out of the 13 BYU has scheduled this year. Utah playing 10 of 12 power schools vs. BYU playing 4 of 13. Facts Jack, atleast if BYU considers themselves a P5. I would trade for Michigan though.

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    Aug. 8, 2017 11:11 p.m.

    Hey Rockwell, how about looking at the schedule in a different way. When was the last time Utah closed the season playing 5 horrible teams? BYU seems to do this annually since they went independent.

    With respect to the large number of good BYU fans, there are still a few that make the same old lame comments.
    Our schedule is P5 caliber - no, it really isn't yet.
    Utah is afraid to schedule big name teams - not true either unless you consider BYU and Michigan as nobodies.
    BYU will knock of so and so then follow up with a victory over these guys - maybe it will happen but we hear the same thing every year and it has been years since the Y beat a top 25 (end of season) team and way longer since they beat more than one in a single year. I wouldn't be buying your upper tier bowl game tickets just yet.
    Anything less than 8 wins for BYU this year would be a huge disappointment.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 8, 2017 10:59 p.m.

    @Rockwell

    "Remind us the last time Utah played three Top 25 teams in a row to start the season.
    For that matter, remind us the last time Utah beat LSU or Wisconsin."

    Almost to silly to respond to; however, I will. When did BYU start the season against three top 25 teams? Or do you not count Portland State? Actually, as sad as it is, BYU fans only count 3-5 games a season. Now remind us when was the last time you beat LSU or Wisconsin. What I can remind you is Utah has defeated Michigan the last three times we've played. We beat Alabama in the Sugar Bowl. We defeated Stanford the two times we've met in conference games. We've defeated USC 2 times (in 6 games) as conference games. (How did you do against them 2 weeks after we played them?) We've defeated Oregon, UCLA, Washington in conference games. When was the last time BYU defeated any of these - (Actually, you have beaten a couple of these in your history but none in the this century.

    We also are playing 5 teams that have been ranked in a top 25 projection this year. Washington and USC in everyone's top 10. Stanford, Oregon, and Washington State have also been ranked.

    Thanks for asking, anyway!

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Aug. 8, 2017 10:52 p.m.

    CG - Provo, UT
    Aug. 8, 2017 5:04 p.m.
    Doctormtv

    How many times did Utah beat Oklahoma, Texas, Nebraska, Michigan St, Miss St, Ole Miss or even Boise St during those "good ol' days"?

    The difference between BYU today, and Utah of yesteryear, is BYU actually expects to win alot of these games, rather than simply using them as a fund raiser.

    Despite their tough talk, the Utes are too scared to schedule any OOC P5's, especially from the SEC, which Utah hasn't scheduled since the mid 1980's.
    ____

    What is the obsession with the SEC from some BYU fans? Its has not even been the best conference the past few seasons.

    BYUs attempt to schedule P5 teams and win is fund raising! Because your program is trying to elevate its status as a wannabe big boy and get invited.

    Several posts here by BYU fans prove, that its not about winning. It's who you schedule. That's all you can brag about other than that dusty ol' trophy case.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 8, 2017 8:38 p.m.

    "When was the last time Utah played three straight Top 25 teams?"

    Included among those 3 is Big Brother U.

    Where does byu rank in the top 25?

    Our 9-10 consecutive P5s to conclude our year will straight skyrocket our Sos past byu's, w/ease.

    indy byu will never ever play against a Sos as difficult as ours, ever, period.

    byu plays against one of the worst Fcs teams out there & a slew of Mwc bottom-dwellers....Straight daunting.

    6 straight & counting, 7/8 & 11/14.

    6-3 @ les over the last 2 decades, soon to be 7-3.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 8, 2017 8:32 p.m.

    "Which is precisely why the Utes will NEVER be true CFP contenders."

    Uh, check Uw's Ooc from last year.

    Next.

    Midmajor forever.

    Go Utes!

    p.s. Go ahead & answer my questions....Thanks in advance.

    Btw, indy byu could go undefeated, but playing against merely 4 P5s/8 G5 bottom-dwellers, they'll never ever reach Cfp contention, period.

    W/our 9-10 consecutive P5s, we'll always be in contention, period, irregardless of our cupcake Ooc, which includes byu-p.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Aug. 8, 2017 7:55 p.m.

    AZUTE1

    When was the last time Utah played three straight Top 25 teams?

    Utah fans talk tough about how "easy" BYU's schedule is,

    but when it comes to opening their season with three straight Top 25 teams,

    including Top 12 LSU and Wisconsin,

    the Utes are all talk, but no walk.

    --------------

    btw, Utah has played three straight Top 25 teams before, in 2014.

    The Utes lost 2 out of 3.

  • ute alumni Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 8, 2017 7:52 p.m.

    Is this a Utah article? I know we're mentioned in one game but geez utes relax. We'll get creamed this year but hey we're in the PAC 10.2

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Aug. 8, 2017 7:32 p.m.

    AZUTE1

    "Unlike BYU, we're not in a position of needing to schedule anything but cupcakes in OOC play..."

    Which is precisely why the Utes will NEVER be true CFP contenders.

    While the big boys - USC, UCLA, Stanford, and Oregon - of the PAC 12 are scheduling powerhouse OOC opponents like Alabama, Texas A&M, Notre Dame, and Nebraska, the Utes hide behind the skirts of their more accomplished PAC 12 associates, and are content to schedule Big Sky and MWC bottom dwellers.

    BYU was not only Utah's only decent OOC opponent in 2016, the Cougars also provided the Utes with one of their few decent wins.

    With Kalani at the helm, that luxury is quickly coming to an end.

  • red.diehard Central, UT
    Aug. 8, 2017 7:16 p.m.

    Yep a BRUTAL schedule! Look at those teams with winning records...all 3 of them. byu will be a playoff contender for sure.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 8, 2017 6:43 p.m.

    "When was the last time Utah played three straight Top 25 teams in early September?"

    When's the last time byu concluded their year playing against 9-10 P5s?

    Answer--Never....Hence, their paltry/unenviable Sos.

    Midmajor forever.

    Go Utes!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 8, 2017 6:41 p.m.

    "How many times did Utah beat Oklahoma, Texas, Nebraska, Michigan St, Miss St, Ole Miss or even Boise St during those 'good ol' days'?"

    Go ahead & list final records/rankings of those teams....List their collective overall record/avg collective final ranking.

    "Despite their tough talk, the Utes are too scared to schedule any OOC P5's, especially from the SEC, which Utah hasn't scheduled since the mid 1980's."

    What are you even talking about?

    Unlike byu, we're not in a position of needing to schedule anything but cupcakes in OOC play....This is precisely because we conclude each year w/9-10 P5s, something byu could only merely fantasize ever accomplishing....They'd unequivocally switch places w/us in a heartbeat, period....Our annual Sos & its inherent greatest possible reward is a pipe-dream for byu, but an annual reality for us.

    Fact is, we no longer ever lose to byu, period.

    Midmajor forever.

    Go Utes!

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Aug. 8, 2017 5:52 p.m.

    SoonerUte

    "Remind us in what poll Portland State is considered Top 25."

    Since Utah, like BYU this year, usually starts the season with a warm-up game and you'd rather hide behind a technicality, than answer the query, I'll rephrase the question.

    When was the last time Utah played three straight Top 25 teams in early September?

    Take your time because the answer is probably...

    NEVER

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 8, 2017 5:37 p.m.

    CG "the Utes are too scared to schedule any OOC P5's"
    How quickly you forget a team called "The Michigan Wolverines".
    Scared? Get back to us when BYU isn't scared to play ten P5 schools in a season.

    The PAC12 requires 9 conference games (the SEC and ACC only play 8), and the state legislature "strongly encourages" the Utes to include at least one little brother. That affects the Utes OOC schedule. They don't have the same desperate "we play anybody in hopes of filling our schedule" philosophy that has cursed the Cougars since going independent.

  • CG Provo, UT
    Aug. 8, 2017 5:04 p.m.

    Doctormtv

    How many times did Utah beat Oklahoma, Texas, Nebraska, Michigan St, Miss St, Ole Miss or even Boise St during those "good ol' days"?

    The difference between BYU today, and Utah of yesteryear, is BYU actually expects to win alot of these games, rather than simply using them as a fund raiser.

    Despite their tough talk, the Utes are too scared to schedule any OOC P5's, especially from the SEC, which Utah hasn't scheduled since the mid 1980's.

  • Malihini Northern, UT
    Aug. 8, 2017 4:59 p.m.

    Sept 9, Sept 9, Sept 9.

  • Doctormtv Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 8, 2017 3:55 p.m.

    I remember the days of old, when Utah would play a few big boy schools to start the season. They would take their losses and look forward to the remaining easier part of the schedule as they tried to put together a respectable season. I guess that must be how BYU feels now.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 8, 2017 3:02 p.m.

    Rockwell "Remind us the last time Utah played three Top 25 teams in a row to start the season."
    Remind us in what poll Portland State is considered Top 25.

  • Utahman4life Lehi, UT
    Aug. 8, 2017 2:45 p.m.

    @ Rockwell
    lol, even with those 3 tough P5 games, byUs schedule is ranked much lower than Utahs, it would be nice if byU would help us out a bit.

    When was the last time byU beat a p5 team that finished the season ranked?
    Or Utah for that matter...

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 8, 2017 2:18 p.m.

    Should be another great year. Playoff talent for sure.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Aug. 8, 2017 2:15 p.m.

    I pick BYU to beat LSU in NRG Stadium and Utah in Provo (they're due). They lose to Wisconsin, beat Boise and lose to Mississippi State. They win the rest.

    It would be great if some of the other P5 teams had the guts to play BYU, but they don't. Of course conference schedules and 10-year look-ahead scheduling make it tough for an independent.

    It would be nice to have a PAC12 scheduling arrangement. It would be good for them. Movement is coming for P5 to schedule only P5 teams. That would be good for BYU. SOS is becoming important for playoffs, so that should be good for BYU.

    I'm NOT in favor of Big12 membership. They only have 3 good teams and BYU has a winning record against most of them. PAC12 would be a better choice, and it would improve PAC12 SOS.

    Pipe dream, but there are a hundred P5 teams who will never see a playoff game. BYU would make a good opponent for them.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Aug. 8, 2017 1:56 p.m.

    Who am I?

    "A schedule described as "brutal", P-5 worthy, and one of BYU's most difficult in its history."

    Remind us the last time Utah played three Top 25 teams in a row to start the season.

    For that matter, remind us the last time Utah beat LSU or Wisconsin.

  • Moon Beam Magna, UT
    Aug. 8, 2017 1:45 p.m.

    I really liked this article. to me, it made the whole season look better. The later games are against teams with so-so records for last year, which means that they will be hungry for wins this year, especially against a team like BYU. However, what was of most interest to me was the #2,#3 and #4 games. All three of these games are winnable, but not gimme's. If, some how, BYU could win all three of those games (difficult, but no impossible) the BYU should be in great shape for an upper tier bowl game. I really like the coaching staff at BYU, and with a year undr their belts, this year should be a strong step forward.

    Just a side note. Even though I would like to see BYU beat Utah, I am very optimistic about their new OC. I really think he will be a difference maker for the Utes (at least I hope so).

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 8, 2017 12:58 p.m.

    A schedule described as "brutal", P-5 worthy, and one of BYU's most difficult in its history.

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    Aug. 8, 2017 12:56 p.m.

    You what would be nice and would get lots of readers in the summer? A breakdown of each team for a week. Post maybe three articles about topics such as: team history (just who is this team), best and worst seasons and win/losses, notable alum, NCAA football records, current state of program, projection for the season. Independence brings new teams and it would be great to learn more about these schools. I.E. How did Wisconsin rise so well? The Hawaii rivalry formation.
    I would highly enjoy those articles over a snapshot of each team in one article. I really hope DN considers this in the future.