"When BYU beats Utah, I'd be curious to see what you would say if BYU
fans act the way you Ute "fans" are acting now."Riverton
coog:Right back at you. What will you say if Ute fans regurgitate
an endless litany of 'ifs', 'gifts', 'yardage
trophies', '3-quarter domination', 'new OC' and other,
similar excuses?But, coog 'fans' should save such
speculation until it actually happens. But I understand why you
can't--it's all you got these days.
@JohnInSLCUtah's ability to capitalize on the situation
slightly better than BYU in recent close games does not equate to
"dominance". The fact that last year's game came down to the last
play shows how close it was. The fact that Utah capitalized better on that final
play does not change the fact that it was a close game.When BYU
beats Utah, I'd be curious to see what you would say if BYU fans act the
way you Ute "fans" are acting now. Suppose next month the game is
extremely close, coming down to the last play, and BYU comes out on top. I know,
I know... you guys are 100% positive that there is no way that this could happen
because BYU will never ever beat Utah ever again, but let's just play make
believe (a game you guys are great at). Now suppose BYU fans claim to have
"dominated". What would you say? Suppose in that same situation, later
that year, Utah ends up barely ranked in one or both polls (AP and Coaches),
while BYU just receives a few votes. What would you say?
Riverton coog:What TDUtes didn't mention is that despite giving
up 6 turnovers the Utes still won last year, showcasing BYU-P's inability
to capitalize. The Ute's ability to capitalize in the LV Bowl led to a
different result. 0-for-6 doesn't support the coog "evenly
matched" narrative. If they were, BYU-P would have won last year.
Alternately, coog fans cling to the "best team didn't win"
drivel.Stop trying to tell us how good the coogs really are. Save
it for when your team actually wins one.
"Not only that, if Utah didn't have 6 turnovers in the rivalry game,
the score would have been much different."While you're at
it with all the ifs, how would the LV bowl game have gone if BYU didn't
have those 5 turnovers in their first 5 possessions?"Who's
fault is it? They are independent, they created this mess."You're right, BYU going independent is what caused the teams they
scheduled to have down years. Darn BYU keeps messing their seasons up!
"In short, five of their first seven games are against top-40 teams. But
this year they also face seven teams among the bottom 42. This isn’t
BYU’s fault."Who's fault is it? They are
independent, they created this mess.
london_josh said, "Ummm, actually BYU lost by a single point at Utah with a
new OC and new system, so "about equal" actually is a fact."london.....if your assessment is right about BYU being "about
equal" with Utah, then why wasn't BYU ranked in all 3 major polls last
year like Utah? I don't see that as being "actually a fact." Besides, you lost by 1 point, but you also BARELY beat an Arizona team and you
lost to UCLA.....both of which were beaten by the Utes. Not only that, if Utah
didn't have 6 turnovers in the rivalry game, the score would have been much
gonefishn,I don't think so.It depends on the wins
and losses. I don't think that a 2 loss MWC team goes to an NY6, I'd
think that a 1 loss team might have a chance if the team they lot to went to the
playoffs.When BYU won an NC it wasn't that they went
undefeated, they went the previous season with a single close loss in the
opening game, they went 25 games undefeated.While personally I think
that Utah deserved a shot at the NC in 2008, they didn't because 2007 (and
2009) were okay years but not great years.It's still all
circumstantial.If we wanted to be fair it would work like this: 5
G5 put their champions against each other plus the best ranked indy team, that
is 3 games and 3 winners added to the P5 champions for 8 teams, then you do
quarter finals, semi finals, and championship game.I think it would
be a ridiculous amount of extra revenue, no G5 team would object to a few more
games (payouts would be significant) - but ultimately this is a business and not
a game. Odds are still stacked against less affiliated teams, I think they
always will be and that's just how it is - not much difference from
@jello is goodMy point is, it's much easier for a non p5 team to get
into a New Years 6 game than in the bcs era. If byu was in the MWC or AAC and
they had a season like 2006 (2 loses) they would find themselves in a NY6 game.
Now they have to go undefeated.@RockwellI never mentioned the Utes.
"To your point that BYU would initially struggle playing 9-10 P5 teams a
year doesn't mean your team is "about equal" with Utah. That's
not being arrogant....it's just a fact. "Ummm, actually BYU
lost by a single point at Utah with a new OC and new system, so "about
equal" actually is a fact.How BYU would do in a P5 is nothing
but pure conjecture, but thanks for playing.
"To your point that BYU would initially struggle playing 9-10 P5 teams a
year doesn't mean your team is 'about equal' with Utah.
That's not being arrogant....it's just a fact. "Well,
so I guess that since Utah was an instant contender their first season in the
PAC, you're right, that clearly makes them much better than BYU, not
"about equal". But hey, what do I know, I'm just a dumb BYU fan.
RivertonCougar......if I remember right, you were arguing that BYU and Utah last
year were "about equal." Last year's BYU schedule and this
year's as well shoots that theory completely out of the water! To your
point that BYU would initially struggle playing 9-10 P5 teams a year
doesn't mean your team is "about equal" with Utah. That's not
being arrogant....it's just a fact. But let's see how this works out
on September 9th.....
@83Ute - Ogden/Weber, UTAug. 11, 2017 9:19 a.m."Utah
hasn't gotten beat by the Aggies since 2012. I'm not sure what game
you are referring to 3 years ago. Please expound."Oh you sure
showed us. It was four years ago, not three. I don't know how we could
have made such a huge error. That changes the conversation altogether.
@83Ute - Ogden/Weber, UTAug. 11, 2017 11:40 a.m."Wyoming
did not win the MWC last year. Thus, they were not the MWC champion."Oh you are so right. They won the mountain division while SDSU won the
west division with an identical 6-2 record but lost out in the championship game
by 3 points. Both of those teams were closer to a championship then Utah or
Indiana by about 3 wins.Dude, the point being made is that BYU would
be in no better position with the quality of teams played or the bowls they play
in if they were still in the MWC. In fact the opposite is the case with a whole
lot more money and exposure.
Tomahawk Red...here we go with the lol again. But kidding (good for the inner
organs) why would the Y not at least be in line for a playoff spot if they were
to win every game? Will they win every game...hang on while I check my
sure-wins list. Nuts, the list blew off the peak and is heading for China. But
I can still offer up a good prognostication...if the Y goes unbeaten they will
not only be in the running for the playoffs, they will be included.Now, with that comment, our friends in red up on the hill will claim that I am
predicting an undefeated season and a national championship. Such a stretch of
imagination. Try this one on for size, the Y will win ANOTHER national
championship in football before the team up north wins their first, a comment
made with the author of said comment knowing full well that neither of these two
scenarios are likely to happen.As far as the accurate conclusion of
the article is concerned, the writer was right on in suggesting the main culprit
to deal with as the Y meets teams they "should" defeat is apathy. I
will add, in closing, the toughest of the non-tough will be Hawaii. My best to
all of you creative contributors.
@Jello (9:10 am):Wyoming did not win the MWC last year. Thus, they
were not the MWC champion.
Henry D"BYU has to be guard against looking past UMass to the
all-important New Mexico State game the following week though."Nice try, but BYU plays Hawaii the following week.Lifetime versus
HawaiiBYU 20-5Utah 6-9
I always look forward to the annual rivalry game between BYU and UMass. The
atmosphere is totally electric and you never know what's going to happen.
BYU has to be guard against looking past UMass to the all-important New Mexico
State game the following week though.
"Again, not all P5 teams are the same, but I would submit that if BYU played
9-10 P5 teams a year like Utah does, they would rise and pout over the
losses."Of course you think that BYU would lose those games -
but do you know that they would?My guess, is that it would be
something like what Utah has done - annual SOS trophy and not much else because
our September is their November.We can speculate all we want, but we
don't know, any any speculation putting BYU in a vastly different camp than
Utah is just wild speculation anyway.How would BYU do? you
don't know - but the reasonable guess is that they'd win some games
and lose others.Last year no game was lost by more than 3 points and
the combined losses were an 8 point difference - so close to something amazing
with a new HC and new OC and system that was rebuilding - BYU fans have the
right to be optimistic and there is no reason to dwell on a scenario of
speculation on something we won't see this season. BYU will likely remain
independent for at least a few more years, I'd love to see BYU in a P5 but
they are making good with independence for now.
"The most telling part of this article reveals just how weak BYU's
schedule is after the end of September.....playing bottom ranked teams.....a
built-in 6 wins.....and then BYU flexes their muscles that they're the best
in the country."Flex their muscles that they're the best in
the country? Serious question: when are you guys going to stop making up things
and claim that BYU fans do them (such as brag about losses, predict national
championships and undefeated seasons every year, claim to be the best in the
country, etc.)?"Again, not all P5 teams are the same, but I
would submit that if BYU played 9-10 P5 teams a year like Utah does, they would
rise and pout over the losses."BYU would probably struggle for a
few years, and lose more games than they're used to, but I wouldn't
say they would "pout" over the losses.
@kaysvillecoug (3:54 pm):"Ask Utah how good Utah State was 3
years ago when they got beat by the Aggies."Utah hasn't
gotten beat by the Aggies since 2012. I'm not sure what game you are
referring to 3 years ago. Please expound.
@KimmyP - Grantsville, UTAug. 11, 2017 8:14 a.m."When
looking at BYU's schedule each year, the adage about putting lipstick on a
pig, quickly comes to mind. 💄"Well, I guess you know a
lot more about pigs than I do, so I'll have to trust you on that. It
scares me that dressing up a farm animal is what quickly comes to mind in any
scenario, but to each there own.
@gonefishn "Rock's statement, "it's not their fault"
when he refers to Byu's incredibly soft schedule, is puzzling. Who's
fault is it? Obviously, Byu has nobody to blame but themselves for the
deadend they have chosen."You are right, it is BYU's fault
that they chose independence. And by the standards they choose to live by in an
uncompromising way, it is also their fault they are not in a P5. But you know
what? I'll own that and be proud of it. And as to where they
would be if they stayed in the MWC, I think at worst it is a push as to the
average competitiveness of their schedule. They play a handful of teams that
are much better than they would have seen if they stayed in the MWC and a
handful that are worse. At the end, either way, with the exception of an
undefeated or one loss season, they are playing for an invitation to an average
bowl. (See last year with BYU playing MWC champ Wyoming)But what is
different with independence is the money and exposure which is exponentially
greater than in the MWC. And, oh by the way, if the ESPN contract were to ever
go away, the MWC and Mid-American conference would be fighting to get BYU in the
longversion"Why are you putting lipstick on pigs?"That's what Utah fans do after every middle of the PAC South finish.Then they dust off another shelf in their trophy closet for their latest
@CO Ute - PARKER, COAug. 10, 2017 8:07 p.m."I think a few
of the Y fans here need to take a step back and look at the concept of the
article, not just the title. I didn't take Rock seriously suggesting that
BYU will lose to UMass but that he is suggesting apathy could be an issue with
the schedule this year. A very good showing at the front end of the season could
be hampered with a loss in any of the final few games."I
actually agree with you Cutie Ute. Back in the WAC days BYU played some
dreadful teams like New Mexico, UTEP and yes, even Utah at the time. But what
got the national people noticing BYU was that they just didn't win those
games. They destroyed those teams with scores like 63-3 and 45-0. Had they
just merely beat average to lousy teams, nobody notices.As a fan I
am hopeful for the first part of our schedule, but as a realist, I see a couple
of losses. (And "no", Utah is not one of them.) But win or lose in
those games, for Portland State and the last 6 games on the schedule, the
average score needs to be 45-0 or better to get the national media talking about
us the way they use to. Until then, we are just another average to good team.
tdute"The most telling part of this article reveals just how
weak BYU's schedule is after the end of September..."NOPE!The most telling part of this article reveals...just how clueless you are about BYU's schedule. BYU plays
Boise St and Miss St in October.Remind us the last time Utah beat
either of those teams.As far as gimmes go, how many times have the
Utes lost to MWC teams like UNLV and Hawaii?Do the numbers 0-27 and
6-9 strike a bell?Next time, do a little research before spouting
KimmyP "When looking at BYU's schedule each year, the adage about
putting lipstick on a pig, quickly comes to mind. 💄"Why
are you putting lipstick on pigs? 😱
@Gonefishin calls BYU's independence a dead end. That's funny
considering this dead end has produced some of the best schedules in the history
of BYU football. It has garnered a contract with ESPN allowing me and BYU Nation
the ability to watch just about every game on the schedule week in and week out.
It has brought more press and national recognition than at any time in the WAC
or MWC eras.Wow, that's some dead end. Now when does Utah get
their turn on PAC12 TV? And where exactly can I find it?
The most telling part of this article reveals just how weak BYU's schedule
is after the end of September.....playing bottom ranked teams.....a built-in 6
wins.....and then BYU flexes their muscles that they're the best in the
country. Again, not all P5 teams are the same, but I would submit that if BYU
played 9-10 P5 teams a year like Utah does, they would rise and pout over the
When looking at BYU's schedule each year, the adage about putting lipstick
on a pig, quickly comes to mind. 💄
We need to worry about Portland State first. Not that we are going to lose that
game but lets win the first one then worry about the next one after that. UMass
is down the line, lets hope by that time they are still looking for a New Years
I get the point Rock, the trap game(s) won't be UMass however. Who has the
most to prove, the biggest grudge and the most to gain in beating BYU? Try MWC
opponents who have been battered and throughly embarrassed playing BYU? No, it
isn't Fresno State, but UNLV and Hawaii. I expect Matt Wells to be
gone by the time the Uggies play BYU. Without Gary Anderson's players the
USU fortunes are dropping like lead ingots. Wells, can only get his kids to play
for 3 quarters. Fresno with a new, very old coach will take years to become
gonefishn"Until they [BYU] join a conference they will have to
watch teams like Boise State, Houston, Western Michigan and Central Florida play
in the New Years 6 bowl games."LOLRemind us the last
time the mighty PAC 12 Utes played in an NY6 bowlorbeat three straight Top 25 teamsorwon a PAC 12
championship.It's hilarious how Utah fans love spouting off
about accomplishments that the Utes have never even achieved.Enjoy
your SOS trophy.
Rock's statement, "it's not their fault" when he refers to
Byu's incredibly soft schedule, is puzzling. Who's fault is it? Obviously, Byu has nobody to blame but themselves for the deadend they have
chosen. No conference race, no point after one loss and no access to the
playoff. Until they join a conference they will have to watch teams like Boise
State, Houston, Western Michigan and Central Florida play in the New Years 6
bowl games.Byu season ticket holders get the shaft shelling out big money
to watch horrible visiting teams, on a school night with an 8:30pm kickoff. At
least A few good teams are coming to LES this year.
Brad, stick to your sarcastic articles about little red.Why is there any
reason to think BYU is suseptible to falling in the back half? BYU waxed all
their 'easy' opponents last year and barely lost to the big opponents.
It's clear the coaches have their players ready. Of course we know they
could fall, but pointing out Massachusetts as the team to fear is a ridiculous
stretch. Pick East Carolina or Hawaii. Those are the only realistic fathomable
LOL at Rock throwing a bone to the haters.
I think a few of the Y fans here need to take a step back and look at the
concept of the article, not just the title. I didn't take Rock seriously
suggesting that BYU will lose to UMass but that he is suggesting apathy could be
an issue with the schedule this year. A very good showing at the front end of
the season could be hampered with a loss in any of the final few games.
Brad already has them losing to a crummy team late in the season, yet not a down
has been played. Interesting spin for Ute fans, no doubt.
byu can start arguing for a playoff spot... with 1 loss... with THAT schedule
Brad?LOL!!!They'll be lucky if they can argue for a
playoff spot undefeated.
LOL @kaysville cougarI assume you have heard the old adage about
putting lipstick on a pig?
They need to look out for UMass when they make the schedule, not on the football
field. I hope they can figure out how to get some better games late in the
Wait. What?This seems like a major grasp. Does BYU lose some stupid
games occasionally? Yeah. But UMass? Hawaii I could see. But UMass? What's next, an article about how Utah keeps bringing in cast offs from
other programs? Oh wait.........already been done.
Dog-on-it Brad. You've been hanging around too many ute fans lately. Did
you know that all P5 teams do not equal quality and many non P5 teams are really
really good depending on the year? Specifically the year where BYU lost to the 4
teams you mentioned, they beat 3 weak P5 teams. Why don't we try to be
intellectually honest and call a good team good? Some of those teams that beat
BYU that year were good teams. Ask Utah how good Utah State was 3 years ago when
they got beat by the Aggies.