In our opinion: Use diplomacy before unleashing 'fire and fury' on North Korea

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  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 14, 2017 10:08 a.m.

    @LDS Liberal 5:33
    Re: "Just like Trump, His followers are chicken-hawks"...
    "None of them ever served"...
    ---
    Name-calling aside, your assumptions are not always true. Just because you assume something, doesn't make it true.

    Lots of Republicans serve in military. You are not the only person to serve in the military. So you can get off that high-horse.

    Google and read these
    "Military Poll: Troops Backing Trump By 3-to-1 Margin Over Clinton"...
    "Republicans join military 2-to-1 over Democrats"...
    "Veterans are voting Republican" (Washington Post)...

    Lessons learned...
    -Assumptions aren't reality
    -Nobody likes war.
    -Democrats aren't the only people who serve in US Military

    ==

    @Irony Guy
    re: "The Trumpist warmongers"...
    "preemptive attacks"...
    ---
    Can you show us a comment that called for a preemptive attack? I didn't see one. But I didn't read all the comments.

    An attack on NK would get a response from China. But nobody's advocating preemptive attacks. Even Trump. The fire and fury comment was if NK follows through on their threats.

    A military response is appropriate If NK follows through on their threats.

  • Ignominious Sandy, UT
    Aug. 13, 2017 2:10 a.m.

    Ronald Reagan was going to start WWIII according to the media and political enemies. What really happened? End of the USSR.

    We're in this situation because previous president thought they could play nice and NK would behave. Only until they got what they wanted. And now because of this stupidity we are faced with a nuclear armed NK. A mess that was dumped into Trumps lap.

    The question is, what constitutes an act of war? Many preemptive strikes have been made in the past but somehow this option is somehow unthinkable because of the hatred of Trump?

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 12, 2017 9:47 p.m.

    Assuring NK of their destruction in case of war does not preclude diplomacy.

  • Gildas LOGAN, UT
    Aug. 12, 2017 3:53 p.m.

    I believe it goes back to Jimmy Carter making a deal with North Korea, enabling them to develop nuclear power- as long as it wasn't used for nuclear weaponry. When it was, in fact, ultimately used for developing such powers of destruction seemingly nothing was done about it.

    The readiness of NK, or its dictator, to repeatedly threaten immediate nuclear aggression shows that not all are equal in their sense of responsibility. At least in the Cold War it was recognized that it was not wise for anyone to start a nuclear war, and America and the old Soviet Union never did that. For the sake of dealing with irresponsible dictators, when diplomacy fails, there would seem to be a need for a promise of speedy retaliation in kind. Sad for the people under the control of dictators.

  • Red Smith American Fork, UT
    Aug. 12, 2017 11:48 a.m.

    As I sit on my chair made in China, eating food from China with my spoon made in China, I scratch my head and wonder why China wants to let NoKo kill me.

    It's my fault for buying Chinese stuff that supports NoKo. I should have known better than to expect a free Chinese lunch.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Aug. 12, 2017 10:06 a.m.

    2bits..I don't want war with NK. I don't want war with anybody. I always advocate for diplomacy, and sometimes it works. But when it doesn't work for 32 years... when do you expose other options?

    Is war really an option, and has it ever really been, or is North Korea a unique situation? North Korea has always had the capacity to rain massive destruction on South Korea and our military.

    Mass casualties is the reality of a military option. If attacked it's always the reasonable response regardless of the side your on.

    Loose lips and bravado are the choice of the ignorant. Remember right after Trump blustered, North Korea called his bluff (Guam) and nothing but more bluster. The danger is the subject of Michael Gerson article today..miscalculation, and mistakes.

    Kennedy talking about World War I "They somehow seemed to tumble into war, he said, through stupidity, individual idiosyncrasies, misunderstandings, and personal complexes of inferiority and grandeur."

    Sound at all familiar? Do you really think war is an option?

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    Aug. 12, 2017 7:23 a.m.

    The Trumpist warmongers among you forget that a preemptive attack on NK is an attack on China. The Chinese have made this clear.

    Are you prepared to go to war with the world's other superpower? Do you want your children to die in a fiery holocaust? Seriously?

    This man Trump must be removed from office in a constitutional manner, and it must be done quickly.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    Aug. 12, 2017 6:51 a.m.

    North Korea has already won two reasons. They know we will not start a war because of the mass casualties that will come from it and their leader does not care about the people of his country.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Aug. 12, 2017 5:33 a.m.

    Just like Trump,
    His followers are chicken-hawks.

    B-I-G talk about war,
    Rare to None of them ever served.

    Always sending someone else to do it...for them.

    Walk the Talk.

  • Husker2 Odessa, TX
    Aug. 11, 2017 10:13 p.m.

    Nobody wants war but Kim Jong Un is a bully and eventually diplomacy fails with bullies. NK has greatly advanced their nuclear program during the last several decades of diplomacy. Human rights abuses are still rampant.

    The one thing liberals fear even more than nuclear war is that Trump will get Kim to back down and be a good boy.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Aug. 11, 2017 6:33 p.m.

    I'm sorry but supporting this President in this situation is unthinkable.

    None of the comparisons made are even remotely applicable, with maybe the exception of Cuba in the 60's, and then Russia had put missiles 50 miles off our coast.

    The existential threat Trumps ranting poses is unprecedented in modern American history. If they simply continue to shout at one another so be it, but Trump has indicated he will attacked because of verbal threats. That is the death warrant for tens of thousands of humans, and there is no moral justification for that.

  • silo Sandy, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 5:21 p.m.

    @ szsmith
    "This is shameful. Your paper is so poisoned with hatred of the President that you are willing to persuade readers to think of Trump as more dangerous than Kim Jong-un."

    Nowhere does the Deseret News claim to hate the President, nor do they make the claim that 'Trump is more dangerous than Kim Jong Un'. Apologies for knocking over your straw man while you were prepping to do battle with him.

    Trump's 'fire and fury' statements were childish, unnecessary, and completely lacking in any form of diplomacy. They're not statements an adult makes. They're not the statements the leader of a country makes save for a few ironic examples - Kim Jong Un, Roderigo Duterte, and Donald Trump. Strange that Trump has also publicly praised both the others I listed.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 5:18 p.m.

    It sounds like there is diplomacy being tried but this issue seemed inevitable. Kim Jong Un, and, well, trump.
    And he likes the role of mouthy tough guy wannabe.
    I imagine this will come to be a defining moment in history, and his role in it. We aren't prepared for what he is going to cause.

  • my_two_cents_worth university place, WA
    Aug. 11, 2017 5:13 p.m.

    By show of hands; how many of you nuclear launch button pushers, so anxious for a show down with North Korea, are willing to commit your sons and daughters to the fray?

    That's what I thought.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 4:20 p.m.

    @Vermonter
    "And still not one shot has been shot at an enemy, not one bomb has been dropped on an enemy."

    Well you kind of have to have this argument before any shots are fired.

    @Mike Richards
    "When a nation, such as North Korea is bent on war"

    Are they really interested in attacking other countries (and getting destroyed in response) or is it just interested in making it so that nobody would ever want to topple their regime?

    @2bits
    "When he made the strong red-line statement to Assad? Stating there would be military consequences if it looked like they were going to use chemical weapons again?"

    If Syria had the capacity to nuke someone then yeah I'd have considered it problematic. What would they have done in response if Obama acted militarily? Go into a war they already have on several fronts?

  • szmith Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 4:01 p.m.

    @ Utah Girl Chronicles

    You know who else had a fawning media? Obama.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 3:55 p.m.

    We have the BEST generals and the BEST sec of defense since the first gulf war. That much is not up for debate. Also, unlike Obama, Trump listens to his generals. He trusts them. From the start Trump gave General Mattis full control of the military and sec Tillersen full control of state. Trump is a smart business man because he always hired the best and he followed their advise. He does the same with matters of foreign policy and war. Smart leaders or coaches always hire the best assistants and listen to them. Poor leaders micro manage (LBJ and Obama).

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 3:52 p.m.

    The Kim dynasty cares about one thing above all else... their hold on power. That doesn't happen if they actually attack anyone because the counterattack would ruin them. So why are they escalating their nuclear arsenal? Because if they get to a point where attacking them would have a devastating cost in return, then nobody will attack them and they'll be able to do pretty much whatever they want in their own country. The threat of conventional weapons against Seoul (plus any implications with China and Russia/USSR involvement) has traditionally been enough of a deterrent to thoughts of regime change but it'd be even more difficult if they get to a position where they could nuke Seoul and Tokyo in response to any strike.

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 3:48 p.m.

    @ szmith

    "Count your blessings that the 32 year old dictator with access to ICBMs isn't your president because you wouldn't be able to speak out against him without winding up in a 'work' camp."

    Trump and the whole alt-right would be happy sending the entire mainstream media off to "work camp". If Trump somehow escapes impeachment after the Mueller investigation is completed, look for a very angry Trump to push the pendulum in that direction.

    The only media worthwhile in Trump's estimation is a fawning media. You know, like the media Kim Jong-Un has. If Trump thought he could get away with playing "I Did It My Way" twenty-four hours a day on state-run Trump media, you could be sure we would already be hearing that.

  • doitytoilette Austin, TX
    Aug. 11, 2017 3:37 p.m.

    Trump is proof that only a lunatic thinks it is wise to threaten a dictator of an unstable nation.

  • szmith College Station, TX
    Aug. 11, 2017 3:02 p.m.

    This is shameful. Your paper is so poisoned with hatred of the President that you are willing to persuade readers to think of Trump as more dangerous than Kim Jong-un. It's dangerous to spend more time criticizing, trashing, and questioning President Trump than the dictator of North Korea. Count your blessings that the 32 year old dictator with access to ICBMs isn't your president because you wouldn't be able to speak out against him without winding up in a "work" camp.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 2:33 p.m.

    Trump is taking America Back!

    To the 1950's
    and a war in Korea
    and air raid sirens
    and bomb shelters
    and duck and cover drills is schools

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 1:51 p.m.

    Too Trump-haters....

    Did you call Obama insane? When he made the strong red-line statement to Assad? Stating there would be military consequences if it looked like they were going to use chemical weapons again?

    After that Russia finally stepped in and offered to remove Syria's chemical weapons (which they didn't do, because Syria has used them on their population since then). At least they pretended to get rid of their chemical weapons. That's more than we would have gotten if Obama had not made the red-line statement.

    Obama made some intense statements and sanctions when Russia invaded Ukraine. Was he insane?

    Did you call Kennedy "Insane" when he made very strong statements to Russia about America not tolerating a nuclear Cuba? Even activating a military response? My wife's family had to move to Missouri during this conflict because he was in the reserve and was called to fight.

    Was he insane? It worked.

    If making a strong statement makes you insane.. then Kennedy and Obama were insane too. They both threatened military consequences if something didn't change.

    Read some of Kennedy's threats to Russia if they didn't remove the missiles.

  • nonceleb Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 1:20 p.m.

    This suggestion would not even be necessary if we had a rational, stable, knowledgeable, experienced president in the White House.

  • no fit in SG St.George, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 1:09 p.m.

    The current potus has proven he does not know the meaning of the word diplomacy, nor how to spell it.
    These are, again, frightening times for our country.
    How must the young people of America and the world, feel about their future?

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 12:38 p.m.

    @ Vermonter

    "I want our enemies to believe that Trump is insane."

    The problem is insanity is not an affectation, it is a definable psychological condition that begins with mental instability.

    It's not "insane" to think Trump's main fascination with North Korea is how Kim Jong Un does all those wonderful things with flash cards at all his military celebrations.

    That's the extent of Trump's deep thinking. The world constantly sees daily examples of Trump's mental instability. Having a fake cover of Time magazine made up and on display at many of Trump's properties only proves Trump prefers living apart from reality. That's not an act.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 12:31 p.m.

    To all you "push the button" people out there. It's not that simple. China said today that if North Korea strikes first they will remain on the sidelines if America responds. But, if the US strikes first, they will align with North Korea. Then, Russia will align with China. Trump, and most GOP leaders have never served in the military and lost friends and loved ones. Escalating this situation is not just dealing with North Korea- it's about WWIII. Wake up- Trump has zero grasp of geopolitics and war. Nor does he care to learn. Trump could potentially cause the death of millions, if not billions, of people due to his ignorance and arrogance.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 12:30 p.m.

    em...I believe Nicky Haley our UN embassador got a huge consensus with Russia and China and Japan and all the rest of the nations in support of standing against North Korea. Perhaps the writer of this article missed that part? It happened a few days ago. Also The US is dealing with a person unlike any dictator on earth. This North Korean dictator lives in a cave -- so to speak -- isolated from the rest of the world. This dictator murders and starves his own people. He uses the money given to him from other countries which is intended for food and instead he uses it on nuclear bombs. What sort of mad dog does that? So what does he want and does the US cave to nuclear blackmail for the future and give the chubby man everything he wants while a gun is held to our head? Iran is watching and if it works for North Korea you can believe Iran will do the same. In WWII there were those in the US that argued that we should just give Hitler what he wants and be done with it. No war. With that thinking there would be a Nazi SS flag flying over Washington DC today. Thankfully FDR was smarter than that and he understood how to deal with a mad dog.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    Aug. 11, 2017 12:25 p.m.

    The Trump administration hasn't even appointed an ambassador to our ally, South Korea, yet.

    What makes you think the Trump administration is even remotely equipped to have diplomatic relations with the rogue state of North Korea? The incredibly incompetent Trump administration can't even properly implement diplomatic relations with South Korea.

    Look at what Trump's chief strategist had to say about world politics:

    “Lenin . . . wanted to destroy the state, and that’s my goal too. I want to bring everything crashing down, and destroy all of today’s establishment.” - Steve Bannon

    President Trump, of course, has a vested interest in creating a YUGE diversion that will deflect attention AWAY from the Russia probe. And what better distraction can there be than thermo-nuclear war?

    Let's face it folks . . . When Republicans win, America LOSES.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 12:10 p.m.

    "Fire and Fury"?
    "Locked and Loaded"?

    Donald Trump is a horrible reality TV Actor, and an even worse 'so-called' President.

    Trouble is -- this is not TV,
    nuclear war is not reality TV.
    and
    Kim Jon Un is not FAKE news!

    This is the real deal folks,
    and he have a in-fit POTUS who lives and makes his decisions based on 'Alternative Facts' and 'Conspiracy Theories'!

    25th the 45th

  • Vermonter Plymouth, MI
    Aug. 11, 2017 11:49 a.m.

    @Marxist.
    I "liked" your comment at 11:17am. I hope the leaders of North Korea read your post and lots of things like it in the American press. I want our enemies to believe that Trump is insane. I want them to believe that if they push too far, their kooshy, lazy, idle life in the relative lap of luxury will be over. There is great value in having an unpredictable president when dealing with people like the leaders of North Korea.

    Cool, calm and measured, and predictable, like everyone believed the previous occupant of the White House was, does not work with North Korea.

    Reagan was a madman. Bush was a cowboy. Trump is insane. Nearly half of America believed these things in those days. These kinds of perceptions make evil people in 3rd world countries pause and hesitate.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 11:17 a.m.

    I believe President Trump is insane, and should be removed from office under the 25th amendment at the earliest possible date.

    If anything your editorial is too tame.

    If I had a missionary in South Korea, or anywhere in the part of the world, I would be really worried.

    Keep in mind that part of the world is full of nukes, and an accident could set off a conflagration which would pollute the world.

    We are in grave danger.

  • Tyler D Prescott, AZ
    Aug. 11, 2017 11:13 a.m.

    Let’s have some historical perspective here.

    We’ve been trying – through diplomacy – for decades to reign in North Korea… it’s never worked.

    I have grave doubts that Trump is the right man for the job in our current situation, but perhaps some genuine fear of catastrophe may get China (the only nation that can control North Korea) to finally exert some real influence and check this dangerous escalation by NK.

    But as other have said – a pre-emptive large scale strike is folly. Mark Bowden recently wrote a piece in The Atlantic on this. It’s chilling but worth understanding.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    Aug. 11, 2017 11:04 a.m.

    It's not in keeping with my country's values to attack anyone until we are attacked (of course, unless you're Dick Cheney).

    I say wait, keep the sanctions pressure on, and see what happens. I do not want the pre-emptively vaporized bodies of millions of Korean children on my conscience.

  • casual observer Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 10:46 a.m.

    Is that the same diplomacy used by our previous presidents as North Korea developed nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles? Repeating a failed scheme and expecting a different result is the definition of .....

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 10:27 a.m.

    "Even this might not work, but the events of 72 years ago make it clear that all avenues should be tried before unleashing fire and fury."

    Thank you.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Aug. 11, 2017 10:21 a.m.

    Look at his tweets --
    Trump shoots first, and aims later.

    He throws mud [nukes in this case], and sees what sticks.

    No fore-thought.
    No plans! [...um, that should be apparent to everyone by now!]

    The only hope we have is that the nuclear codes require correct grammar and punctuation.

    Millions of lives are a bargaining chip for the world's unluckiest gambler. What could possibly go wrong?

  • canis calidus Sacramento, CA
    Aug. 11, 2017 10:17 a.m.

    Trump has risen to a calling of being the spokesman in this age of irrationality. Trump as taken center ring in a cirrus promoted by loud egoistical barkers like Alex Jones, Michael Savage, Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity who mesmerize and captivate their audience by making big promises and grandiose assertions. We live in a nation where people believe you can lose weight by eating, with $19.99 you can free yourself from all kitchen drudgery and you can have a weed free lawn. Yes sir, with a single dollar you can win millions. If you just enroll into my university my hand picked instructors with teach you my secrets of success. Believing life doesn't involve work and compromise or that talk is a solution is as irrational has believing blaming others can remove your own culpability and gullibility.

    What a fitting allegory. After all, it was the United States that developed and used nuclear weapons. It's disenfranchised voters who created Trump. Both of these creations have become monsters that have the power to destroy us.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 10:05 a.m.

    @SMcloud ,
    Re: "I am afraid that President Trump's bluster could end up killing millions of people. It's not worth it."...
    ---
    What if it works? Is it "worth it"?

    What if China finally convinces NK to change direction?

    Even if it works... Democrats would criticize Trump. It's becoming an obsession.

    I don't like it either. Doesn't seem like America I know. But what we have been doing under the Obama, Bush and Clinton Administrations hasn't worked. Why continue doing the same thing and expecting different results?

    I hope Trump doesn't do something rash, but I hope he does something different. Because what we have been doing for 30 years is obviously not working. Do you agree?

    Can you acknowledge that what we have been doing isn't working? And that it allowed them to get a weapon they can use not only against us, but against their neighbors (which would draw us into a war)?

    That's pretty obvious. I'm wondering if any Trump-haters can acknowledge that what we have been doing isn't working.

    I realize it could make things worse. But Diplomacy alone wasn't working.

    What if it works?

    What if China convinces NK to back down now?

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Aug. 11, 2017 9:56 a.m.

    There is a wide canyon between using Diplomacy and saying things like
    "North Korea had best not make any more threats to the United States .They will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen."

    Remember the "fire and fury" in Nagasaki and Hiroshima? What should the world take Trumps words to mean?

    Maybe it would be wise to look in that canyon.

    Remember people. War, bombs and killing should be the last resort. Don't ya think?

    After all, we are the United States of America and the most powerful country on Earth. The world expects us and needs us to act like it.

  • fireonthemtn Reno, NV
    Aug. 11, 2017 9:51 a.m.

    "Fire and Fury"? Locked and Loaded"? Rather than respond in a thoughtful and measured tone, we get the POTUS lounging around in his pajamas at his country club, puffing out his chest, and sending out tweets that indicate he has watched too many old Clint Eastwood movies.

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 9:50 a.m.

    Diplomacy hasn't worked for republicans for some time.

    They really don't believe in it. They like a more aggressive, preemptive bullying.

    Trump on Thursday thanked Russian President Vladimir Putin for expelling American diplomats from Russia. “I want to thank him because we’re trying to cut down our payroll, and as far as I’m concerned I’m very thankful that he let go of a large number of people because now we have a smaller payroll,” Trump told reporters at his golf club in Bedminster, while on yet another vacation.

    Of course the usual war hawks, who have never served, love this tough guy nonsense, line in the sand, rhetoric.

    Can't we just have Trump and Kim, Allstar wrestle this fight.
    Nope, republican like wars, especially the ones they start.

  • Brian Wasilla, AK
    Aug. 11, 2017 9:39 a.m.

    Eventually China will step in and solve our problem with North Korea....in exchange for Taiwan.

  • SMcloud Sandy, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 9:29 a.m.

    No preemptive strikes! North Korea talks big but they are interested in surviving.

    I am afraid that President Trump's bluster could end up killing millions of people. It's not worth it.

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 9:21 a.m.

    We have a relentless self-promoter at the helm who wants to convince the world he is not an amateur. Trump's credibility is rightfully being questioned. The White House is strained by constant staff in-fighting. We are in a situation today where USA citizens are being told what to do in the event they are nuked.

    Trump has no understanding of history nor any intellectual curiosity. The people in South Korea realize their fate may be determined by a former reality TV star who owned a series of beauty pageants. They remember how Trump always bragged how "easy" it would be to solve massive problems.

    That is not a comforting thought.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 9:16 a.m.

    Re: "Use diplomacy before unleashing 'fire and fury' on North Korea"...
    ---
    I don't like the 'fire and fury' talk either. But how many years have we been using diplomacy? And has it worked to keep them from getting to this point? No.

    President Obama used diplomacy with NK - and they made huge progress in their nuclear weapons during that time.

    President Bush used diplomacy - He negotiated agreement to dismantle their nuclear weapons program, but they didn't follow through on it. And instead expanded their nuclear weapons program.

    President Clinton used diplomacy - and still they ramped up their nuclear weapons program.

    At what point to we acknowledge diplomacy alone is not working?

    Do we wait until there are ZERO good options left?

    We're almost there you know.

    I don't want war with NK. I don't want war with anybody. I always advocate for diplomacy, and sometimes it works. But when it doesn't work for 32 years... when do you expose other options?

    America needs to make sure NK knows we will defend ourselves if they continue hissing out threats against our people.

    Radical people ((terrorist etc) don't respond to diplomacy. Sad but true.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Aug. 11, 2017 9:15 a.m.

    "Use diplomacy"? Has the author been paying attention for the last 50 years?

    No preemptive strikes, but the first time Kim even throws a rock into the ocean, time to press the big red button.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Aug. 11, 2017 9:01 a.m.

    North Korea has violated all sanctions placed on it by all nations worldwide. It is an agressor nation. Trump would have been foolhardy to pretend that the missile tests did not occur. He would have been foolhardy to pretend that the nuclear tests did not occur. When a nation, such as North Korea is bent on war, the best policy is to issue a clear and stern warning. North Korea has been warned. If they persist, they will reap the whirlwind.

    Diplomacy may have been useful before Bill Clinton signed an unratified treaty with North Korea. North Korea saw him for the weakling that he was, knowing that he didn't have the courage to stand before the Senate and sell that treaty to the Senate. They knew that he would not stop them from doing whatever they wanted to do. Now Trump, a very different President, has told them plainly that America will no longer pretend that North Korea is abiding by the rules. The line has been drawn. If North Korea does not back down immediately, the onus will be on them.

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    Aug. 11, 2017 8:43 a.m.

    Theodore Roosevelt said, "Speak softly and carry a big stick." Speak softly.

    Big words from President Trump will hurt his cause.

    It would be fun to bomb North Korea. But we can't go around doing this stuff. What if North Korea gets the idea (that we are entertaining), "We need to bomb them before they bomb us." What if everyone had that idea? Not just us and not just North Korea.

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 8:37 a.m.

    @ Vermonter

    "Trump is merely trying a different form of diplomacy."

    Diplomacy isn't mimicking the rhetoric of an unstable adversary. Trump couldn't tamp down a Wal-Mart parking lot dispute. We are talking about the guy who thought the CNN WWE wrestling video was clever.

  • Vermonter Plymouth, MI
    Aug. 11, 2017 8:01 a.m.

    And still not one shot has been shot at an enemy, not one bomb has been dropped on an enemy. Trump is merely trying a different form of diplomacy. Previous "diplomacy" for the past 20+ years has been entirely ineffective at stopping North Korea from developing nuclear weapons.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Aug. 11, 2017 7:25 a.m.

    "President Trump’s promise of “fire, fury and frankly power the likes of which this world has never seen before” was, unfortunately, a further ratcheting of tensions."

    Ratcheted up? It started the latest exchange. The Guam threat came after Trump threatened fire and fury.

    Yesterday China, said if North Korea attacks America we'll remain neutral. If America attacks North Korea we standby and will help North Korea. Just where do you think Russia would fall in an armed conflict, nuclear or not?

    "In our opinion: Use diplomacy before unleashing 'fire and fury'. In my opinion only a fool would unleash 'fire and fury', and we have a President who thinks 3 million undocumented aliens voted for Hillary...terrified yet?

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 7:13 a.m.

    "However, the worry always has been that one day an irrational leader might obtain such weapons and act recklessly."

    Like Trump? Diplomacy is not a tool that Trump's administration knows how to use. Only, bluster, insults and bravado.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Aug. 11, 2017 6:59 a.m.

    Wow, Diplomacy. What a concept.

    Here is the problem in today's partisan environment and with the GOP in general.

    While I acknowledge that this is "painting with a broad brush" we see a lot of right leaning posters cheering on the "fire and fury" rhetoric. Not all, but certainly many. They love the tough talk.

    The GOP is big on funding and expanding our military and some are quick to want to utilize this extremely expensive tool, probably in an effort to justify their votes to expand military funding.

    The idea of getting into a war needs to be a last resort. The words used need to be carefully measured.

    Trumps words are seldom "measured" . And the "fire and fury" talk is destructive.